Yeah, well, you prefer people who come from behind, PB.

freediver wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 9:14am:


Point 6 makes absolutely no sense.

Anyway, I'm not going to waste much more of my time on this silly debate. I have made my point abundantly clear, which I will repeat one more time: both the quran and the hadith instruct muslim men on multiple occasions to treat women with respect and not abuse them (for reference, see falah's post that you yourself reference for rape). Most muslims, including falah and me, believe that it goes without saying that those prescriptions extend to how you treat your wife in bed. If you insist that islam makes an exception to that rule by allowing spousal rape, then you need to provide some supporting evidence. And no, muslims not being able to come up with an islamic-prescribed punishment for spousal rape doesn't count. There are plenty of other things we consider forbidden that don't have a prescribed punishment.

Karnal wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:



PB, I said at least the crazy bearded fvckers say exactly what the mean (behead, kill, sharia etc) while the so-called moderates oscillate, equivocate, are shifty and opportunistic and dishonest and should not be trusted. Like you.

Let's see in what novel way you can pretend to misunderstand. Go on, you have internalised a mountain of turgid Marxist and post colonial BS. Misrepresenting a couple of plain sentences shouldn't be hard for you. Do the moderate Muslim thing.

Book 020, Number 4696:

    It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihid died the death of a hypocrite.

http://hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/148-Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2020.%20On%20G...

Doesn't say anything about mediate, go on a retreat and pray, contemplate, do spiritual exercises in the way of Allah.
It says fight in the name of Allah.

Shurely shome mishtake. Must be a mistranslation, what?

Soren wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 10:36pm:


Quite right, old chap. You’ve cleverly distinguished what Muslims mean by jihad from fighting and dying. Excellent point.

Your quote shows precisely that your unequivocating militant fundamentalists are not practicing jihad, but are hypocrites.

As every schoolboy knows.

Every old boy, however - let’s just say he goes for the hypocritical angle every time.

Present company excluded, of course. Your prophet Yeheshua - he was a devout proponent of blitzkreig, no?

Quote:


Such as?

Karnal wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:41am:



One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.


Do you think it mean fight with weapons OR desire an inner struggle and meditation (jihad)?

Karnal wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:41am:




Hey K,

You are misrepresenting Jihad, and ISLAM.

You need to pull your head out of it.


IMAGE.....


But i'm not sure that that, is where your head is inserted ?







"The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.053


"The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.054


"The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.072


"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e. Muhammad is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i


"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026



n.b.
All of the above Hadith quotes, are direct copy and past from the MSA [Muslim Students Association - America] site.