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Re: Faith Ratchet
Reply #165 - Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:31pm

Hard to say, FD. We don’t speaka the Araby.

Maybe we could go to Arabia, get busted for something, and see what they do. Do they try you in Arabic?

That’s a bit unfair. We speaka the English. Also, we’re civilised people.

No, I’d say they’d throw it out of court. I mean, they’re not going to cut off an Aussie’s hand for shoplifting, right?

Surely we have rights.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49454 At my desk.	Re: Faith Ratchet Reply #166 - Jan 15^th, 2013 at 8:00pm Gandalf can you give me an estimate of what you think the likely punishment would be for spousal rape under Shariah law?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96661	Re: Faith Ratchet Reply #167 - Jan 15^th, 2013 at 8:13pm Freediver, can you estimate the precise time for sleepy-byes after reading this thread? You must really miss Abu.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49454 At my desk.	Re: Faith Ratchet Reply #168 - Jan 15^th, 2013 at 8:17pm Why are you hanging off every word in this thread Karnal? You don't normally get cheerleaders at the boring games.
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Reply #169 - Jan 15^th, 2013 at 9:39pm

Every word? Do you mean like the difference between a punishment for spousal rape, or a prescribed penalty for spousal rape? Or assault as bruising the skin or, more correctly translated, as pointing a toothbrush in one’s spouse’s general direction?

You’ll have to be more specific, Freediver. This topic is vital to our future as a civilization.

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Reply #170 - Jan 15^th, 2013 at 10:18pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 15^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:

Every word? Do you mean like the difference between a punishment for spousal rape, or a prescribed penalty for spousal rape? Or assault as bruising the skin or, more correctly translated, as pointing a toothbrush in one’s spouse’s general direction?

You’ll have to be more specific, Freediver. This topic is vital to our future as a civilization.

touche... the only person obsessively hanging off every word in this thread is freediver.

Whats really sad is that all this time and dedication is not even motivated by any desire for actual knowledge, just petty mindedness - to create imaginary entrapment scenarios, for cheap point scoring, all to feed his own prejudice.

Imagine all the good FD could achieve if all this energy was channeled into something actually useful.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96661	Re: Faith Ratchet Reply #171 - Jan 15^th, 2013 at 10:51pm Yes, I might have mentioned something like that on page 1. Or maybe it was 2. It won’t make the wiki at any rate.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49454 At my desk.	Re: Faith Ratchet Reply #172 - Jan 16^th, 2013 at 8:27am Gandalf, you say you would be the first to campaign to change Shariah law to removing stoning people to death as the means of implementing the death penalty. If you actually did that, would you consider it useful?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Faith Ratchet Reply #173 - Jan 16^th, 2013 at 11:19am sure, why not.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49454 At my desk.	Re: Faith Ratchet Reply #174 - Jan 16^th, 2013 at 12:45pm So why is it not useful when I do it?
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Reply #175 - Jan 16^th, 2013 at 12:45pm

It sounds like Freediver's gone off the "what Muslims think" trail. Now he wants to know what they'd achieve by saying what they think.

Well, somehow the law was achieved in Iran - no stoning there anymore. I'm yet to discover how many jurisdictions still stone people to death as a way of implementing the death penalty.

Does anyone know?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49454 At my desk.	Re: Faith Ratchet Reply #176 - Jan 16^th, 2013 at 12:52pm It still happens occasionally in Afghanistan and Africa.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96661	Re: Faith Ratchet Reply #177 - Jan 16^th, 2013 at 12:53pm Is it legal in Afghanistan, FD? Which countries in Africa?
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49454 At my desk.	Re: Faith Ratchet Reply #178 - Jan 16^th, 2013 at 12:57pm I doubt it happens anywhere where there is anything that we would describe as 'rule of law'. Not sure which countries. There have been videos and news reports posted here occasionally. I remember one in particular which I am pretty sure was in Afghanistan, and one from somewhere in central Africa.
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Reply #179 - Jan 16^th, 2013 at 1:32pm

So why would it matter if Gandalf was useful in campaigning against it? Wouldn't his efforts be better dedicated to establishing a rule of law?

I'm not sure how you'd do that though. If the Amerikans have had zero success in Afghanistan and Pakistan, how is anyone else going to do it?

It's not an issue for Muslims alone. South Africa had a rule of law in the 1960s, and "necklacing" was common. The Amerikan Deep South had a rule of law in the 19th and 20th centuries, but lynchings were common.

Different issue, sure - these practices were not supported by the words of a prophet. However, if no legal jurisdictions practice execution by stoning, what's the purpose of this discussion?

To stop mob justice? To reform the Islamic law? To establish a rule of law in countries where this doesn't exist? To change the mindset of backward, illiterate people who have so little compassion for their village and family members that they could literally stone them to death?

A quarter of the world's population are Muslims. If it's "the law", you'd think these stonings would be implemented in EVERY Muslim country.

But like necklacing and lynching, it's rarely - if ever - the law; and by law I mean the written laws, codes and rules (unspoken or otherwise) 99.99% of Muslims live by.

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