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Re: Global cooling
Reply #45 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:59am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:54am:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 10:50am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 10:03pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 8:54pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 8:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:47pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:18pm:
Its the hottest day in Hobart since records have been taken and one of the hottest in Adelaide....yep the planet is cooling just like the deniers said it would  Grin


not even close to the hottest in adelaide. in fact, it has been a very mild summer and BELOW average temperatures. you get one day that is hot and you come up with this crap.



Yep.  When it's convenient for their "argument", AGW alarmists will use local weather in place of world climate every time.


Who is using local weather in place of world climate every time Greggery?

The world climate is also increasing.  That is the point.
That is what has been predicted for decades.  That is what is happening.

What don't you understand?

I dont understand how you cant read a weather map and how you dont know the consequences of highs, lack of h2o and a monsoon trough that is far from its normal position.

I do like playing the weather is climate game though (bit of oneupmanship fun), cant let the doomsday cult have the game to themselves. You will not know what snow is like, ever again lol

What does reading a weather map have to do with the simple fact that the planet's temperature is increasing?  The increase in global temperature over recent decades is clear and unambiguous.

Greggery seems to be trying to deny the bleeding obvious.  Are you trying to do the same?


the problem with yoru statement is that it is fundamentally untrue. even the CRU adn IPCC admit that there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 16 years - soon to be 17.

the problem with yoru statement is that it is fundamentally untrue. Neiher the CRU or the IPCC admit that there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 16 years - soon to be 17.

You are simply telling a lie.

If you are not - please provide a reference for the CRU or the IPCC admiting that there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 16 years.

The simple fact is that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the global 30 year average.

This means the planet is warming.

Denying this fact does not make it go away.  Nor does telling lies about what the CRU or the IPCC have said.


let me first applaud your very effective way of telling a fact and missing the truth by answering a question not asked.

yes the last 16 years is warmer than the preceding 30 year average. the point, dear hysteric, is that the last 16 years have shown NO temperature increase. this is indicative of a possible end to warming and the possibility of cooling. maybe. what it is NOT is increased warming.

why is it that you climate hysterics are so absolutely terrible at statistics? from the embarrassing foolishness of the debunked hockey stick all the way to today, you simply reinterpret, misinterpret or blatantly lie about the data.

NO WARMING IN 16 YEARS.  explain it all you want. call it a pause in the path of increased warming if you wish. But don't look like a ideologically driven blind person who cant count by saying that it is still getting warmer.  that's just wrong.
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Re: Global cooling
Reply #46 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:02pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:30am:
actually glaciers have stopped recending,

No.  This is incorrect.  Please do not tell lies.

Global glacial mass balance has been decreasing for decades and continues to decrease.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/bams-state-of-the-climate/2009-time-series/glacier

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:30am:
antarctica is increasine ice level

No.  This is incorrect.  Please do not tell lies.

Continental ice on Antarctica is decreasing at a faster rate than originally predicted:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20804192

and this decrease in continental ice is resulting in an increase in extent of sea ice

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:30am:
a dn arctic has a underwater volcano.

Does it?

What does this have to do with the fact that arctic sea ice is now at the least extent ever recorded?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:30am:
PLUS temperatures have not increased in 16 years


gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:30am:
the chain of 'facts' is actully very thin. there is no direct proof that humans are responsible for waring. it is just a hypothesis that remains to be proven or disproven.

Actually, there is a vast amount of evidence that humans are responsible for warming.  Denying it by telling lies as you have just been doing is just silly.
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Re: Global cooling
Reply #47 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:05pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:59am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:54am:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 10:50am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 10:03pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 8:54pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 8:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:47pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:18pm:
Its the hottest day in Hobart since records have been taken and one of the hottest in Adelaide....yep the planet is cooling just like the deniers said it would  Grin


not even close to the hottest in adelaide. in fact, it has been a very mild summer and BELOW average temperatures. you get one day that is hot and you come up with this crap.



Yep.  When it's convenient for their "argument", AGW alarmists will use local weather in place of world climate every time.


Who is using local weather in place of world climate every time Greggery?

The world climate is also increasing.  That is the point.
That is what has been predicted for decades.  That is what is happening.

What don't you understand?

I dont understand how you cant read a weather map and how you dont know the consequences of highs, lack of h2o and a monsoon trough that is far from its normal position.

I do like playing the weather is climate game though (bit of oneupmanship fun), cant let the doomsday cult have the game to themselves. You will not know what snow is like, ever again lol

What does reading a weather map have to do with the simple fact that the planet's temperature is increasing?  The increase in global temperature over recent decades is clear and unambiguous.

Greggery seems to be trying to deny the bleeding obvious.  Are you trying to do the same?


the problem with yoru statement is that it is fundamentally untrue. even the CRU adn IPCC admit that there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 16 years - soon to be 17.

the problem with yoru statement is that it is fundamentally untrue. Neiher the CRU or the IPCC admit that there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 16 years - soon to be 17.

You are simply telling a lie.

If you are not - please provide a reference for the CRU or the IPCC admiting that there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 16 years.

The simple fact is that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the global 30 year average.

This means the planet is warming.

Denying this fact does not make it go away.  Nor does telling lies about what the CRU or the IPCC have said.


let me first applaud your very effective way of telling a fact and missing the truth by answering a question not asked.

yes the last 16 years is warmer than the preceding 30 year average. the point, dear hysteric, is that the last 16 years have shown NO temperature increase. this is indicative of a possible end to warming and the possibility of cooling. maybe. what it is NOT is increased warming.

why is it that you climate hysterics are so absolutely terrible at statistics? from the embarrassing foolishness of the debunked hockey stick all the way to today, you simply reinterpret, misinterpret or blatantly lie about the data.

NO WARMING IN 16 YEARS.  explain it all you want. call it a pause in the path of increased warming if you wish. But don't look like a ideologically driven blind person who cant count by saying that it is still getting warmer.  that's just wrong.

The simple fact is that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the global 30 year average.

This means the planet is warming.

Denying it is silly.  Trying to rely nonsense about "no warming" as written by David Rose in a Daily Mail article is even sillier.

Where is your reference for the CRU or the IPCC admiting that there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 16 years?  Please show us or apologise for lying to the forum.
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Reply #48 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:08pm
 
So Longy is continuing with the "it hasn't warmed in 16 years" lie. Its just a case of statistical cherry picking that the denialists are so famous for. Start the graph in 1999 and it has actually been warming for the past 13 years.

The true test though is that last decade was warmer than the one before it, and the one before that, and the one before that. Global warming is a long term trend. Cherry picking 16 years of data is just plain dishonest.

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Reply #49 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:11pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:08pm:
So Longy is continuing with the "it hasn't warmed in 16 years" lie. Its just a case of statistical cherry picking that the denialists are so famous for. Start the graph in 1999 and it has actually been warming for the past 13 years.

The true test though is that last decade was warmer than the one before it, and the one before that, and the one before that. Global warming is a long term trend. Cherry picking 16 years of data is just plain dishonest.


You need an updated graph and one you didnt make yourself. Get one from a reputable source, unless you think the MET office is not.
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Reply #50 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:36pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:08pm:
So Longy is continuing with the "it hasn't warmed in 16 years" lie. Its just a case of statistical cherry picking that the denialists are so famous for. Start the graph in 1999 and it has actually been warming for the past 13 years.

The true test though is that last decade was warmer than the one before it, and the one before that, and the one before that. Global warming is a long term trend. Cherry picking 16 years of data is just plain dishonest.


You need an updated graph and one you didnt make yourself. Get one from a reputable source, unless you think the MET office is not.


But the fact is the MET office have never claimed that warming has stopped the past 16 years. That was the tabloid Mail on Sunday's claim.

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The British newspaper the Mail on Sunday and its writer David Rose are notorious for publishing misleading (at best) climate-related articles, as we have discussed previously here, for example.  They have recently struck again, claiming that according to a "quietly released" Met Office report, global warming stopped 16 years ago (a myth which Skeptical Science debunks here and here).  This assertion is entirely fabricated, as the Met Office explained by publishing David Rose's inquiry and the Met Office's responses.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/oct/16/daily-mail-global-warming-stopped-wrong
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Reply #51 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:39pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:36pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:08pm:
So Longy is continuing with the "it hasn't warmed in 16 years" lie. Its just a case of statistical cherry picking that the denialists are so famous for. Start the graph in 1999 and it has actually been warming for the past 13 years.

The true test though is that last decade was warmer than the one before it, and the one before that, and the one before that. Global warming is a long term trend. Cherry picking 16 years of data is just plain dishonest.


You need an updated graph and one you didnt make yourself. Get one from a reputable source, unless you think the MET office is not.


But the fact is the MET office have never claimed that warming has stopped the past 16 years. That was the tabloid Mail on Sunday's claim.

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The British newspaper the Mail on Sunday and its writer David Rose are notorious for publishing misleading (at best) climate-related articles, as we have discussed previously here, for example.  They have recently struck again, claiming that according to a "quietly released" Met Office report, global warming stopped 16 years ago (a myth which Skeptical Science debunks here and here).  This assertion is entirely fabricated, as the Met Office explained by publishing David Rose's inquiry and the Met Office's responses.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/oct/16/daily-mail-global-warming-stopped-wrong

They dont have to tell us the inconvenient. The graph tells us and shcool level math tells us that 1 = 1.
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Reply #52 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:50pm
 
It seems pretty bloody obvious to me that if the denialists said the cold snap we had in the middle of winter meant global cooling was upon us then this heatwave means global warming is a certainty..Im just using the denialists logic  Cheesy
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Reply #53 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:57pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:50pm:
It seems pretty bloody obvious to me that if the denialists said the cold snap we had in the middle of winter meant global cooling was upon us then this heatwave means global warming is a certainty..Im just using the denialists logic  Cheesy

Except you are slow as usual. The doomsday cult are the ones trying to use weather as climate. The game begins with the cult as other BS doomsday predictions have hurt your own philosophy.
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Reply #54 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 1:00pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:57pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:50pm:
It seems pretty bloody obvious to me that if the denialists said the cold snap we had in the middle of winter meant global cooling was upon us then this heatwave means global warming is a certainty..Im just using the denialists logic  Cheesy

Except you are slow as usual. The doomsday cult are the ones trying to use weather as climate. The game begins with the cult as other BS doomsday predictions have hurt your own philosophy.


Hey I agree with you, we should always listen to shock jocks, lobbyists and pollies looking to shore up their seats.
Science and peer reviewed research has no place in a modern society
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Reply #55 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 1:02pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:57pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:50pm:
It seems pretty bloody obvious to me that if the denialists said the cold snap we had in the middle of winter meant global cooling was upon us then this heatwave means global warming is a certainty..Im just using the denialists logic  Cheesy

Except you are slow as usual. The doomsday cult are the ones trying to use weather as climate. The game begins with the cult as other BS doomsday predictions have hurt your own philosophy.

Yet the overwhelming majority of confusionalists have no smacking idea of the difference between climate and weather. We even have poor old cods asking every other day what the difference is, and she is one of the smart ones compered  to the rest of you.
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Reply #56 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 1:17pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 1:00pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:57pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:50pm:
It seems pretty bloody obvious to me that if the denialists said the cold snap we had in the middle of winter meant global cooling was upon us then this heatwave means global warming is a certainty..Im just using the denialists logic  Cheesy

Except you are slow as usual. The doomsday cult are the ones trying to use weather as climate. The game begins with the cult as other BS doomsday predictions have hurt your own philosophy.


Hey I agree with you, we should always listen to shock jocks, lobbyists and pollies looking to shore up their seats.
Science and peer reviewed research has no place in a modern society

Religion does not have a place in our politics and that goes for any cult as well.
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Reply #57 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 1:56pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:02pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:30am:
actually glaciers have stopped recending,

No.  This is incorrect.  Please do not tell lies.

Global glacial mass balance has been decreasing for decades and continues to decrease.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/bams-state-of-the-climate/2009-time-series/glacier
NOAA has a quite enviable record for being wrong.

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gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:30am:
antarctica is increasine ice level

No.  This is incorrect.  Please do not tell lies.
The lies are yours. western antarci ice increases are in excess of east antartic ice losses. you do have to count both, you know!


Continental ice on Antarctica is decreasing at a faster rate than originally predicted:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20804192

and this decrease in continental ice is resulting in an increase in extent of sea ice

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:30am:
a dn arctic has a underwater volcano.

Does it?

What does this have to do with the fact that arctic sea ice is now at the least extent ever recorded?
seriously??? it has to be explalned to you why an huge underwater voilcano under the arcitc ice cap has an effect on ice mass???


gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:30am:
PLUS temperatures have not increased in 16 years


gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:30am:
the chain of 'facts' is actully very thin. there is no direct proof that humans are responsible for waring. it is just a hypothesis that remains to be proven or disproven.

Actually, there is a vast amount of evidence that humans are responsible for warming.  Denying it by telling lies as you have just been doing is just silly.


the probem with your position is that ACTUAL RECORDED TEMPERATURES are not rising. argue all you like but it is true.  AS ai said before. Argue the pause if you will - that at least is credible. Arguing that termpeatures are still rising not only makes you look like a fool, but confirms it.
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Reply #58 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 1:59pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:05pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:59am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:54am:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 10:50am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 10:03pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 8:54pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 8:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:47pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:18pm:
Its the hottest day in Hobart since records have been taken and one of the hottest in Adelaide....yep the planet is cooling just like the deniers said it would  Grin


not even close to the hottest in adelaide. in fact, it has been a very mild summer and BELOW average temperatures. you get one day that is hot and you come up with this crap.



Yep.  When it's convenient for their "argument", AGW alarmists will use local weather in place of world climate every time.


Who is using local weather in place of world climate every time Greggery?

The world climate is also increasing.  That is the point.
That is what has been predicted for decades.  That is what is happening.

What don't you understand?

I dont understand how you cant read a weather map and how you dont know the consequences of highs, lack of h2o and a monsoon trough that is far from its normal position.

I do like playing the weather is climate game though (bit of oneupmanship fun), cant let the doomsday cult have the game to themselves. You will not know what snow is like, ever again lol

What does reading a weather map have to do with the simple fact that the planet's temperature is increasing?  The increase in global temperature over recent decades is clear and unambiguous.

Greggery seems to be trying to deny the bleeding obvious.  Are you trying to do the same?


the problem with your statement is that it is fundamentally untrue. even the CRU and IPCC admit that there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 16 years - soon to be 17.

the problem with yoru statement is that it is fundamentally untrue. Neither the CRU or the IPCC admit that there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 16 years - soon to be 17.

You are simply telling a lie.

If you are not - please provide a reference for the CRU or the IPCC admiting that there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 16 years.

The simple fact is that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the global 30 year average.

This means the planet is warming.

Denying this fact does not make it go away.  Nor does telling lies about what the CRU or the IPCC have said.


let me first applaud your very effective way of telling a fact and missing the truth by answering a question not asked.

yes the last 16 years is warmer than the preceding 30 year average. the point, dear hysteric, is that the last 16 years have shown NO temperature increase. this is indicative of a possible end to warming and the possibility of cooling. maybe. what it is NOT is increased warming.

why is it that you climate hysterics are so absolutely terrible at statistics? from the embarrassing foolishness of the debunked hockey stick all the way to today, you simply reinterpret, misinterpret or blatantly lie about the data.

NO WARMING IN 16 YEARS.  explain it all you want. call it a pause in the path of increased warming if you wish. But don't look like a ideologically driven blind person who cant count by saying that it is still getting warmer.  that's just wrong.

The simple fact is that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the global 30 year average.

This means the planet is warming.

Denying it is silly.  Trying to rely nonsense about "no warming" as written by David Rose in a Daily Mail article is even sillier.

Where is your reference for the CRU or the IPCC admitting that there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 16 years?  Please show us or apologise for lying to the forum.


repeating your misinterpretation does not change its BASIC fallacy. 16 years where temperatures have not risen means one thing. NO TEMPERATURE RISE in 16 years. If you want, we can compare it to the MWP or football scores but nothing changes the FACT that for 16 years, temperatures have not risen.
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Reply #59 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 2:02pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:36pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 12:08pm:
So Longy is continuing with the "it hasn't warmed in 16 years" lie. Its just a case of statistical cherry picking that the denialists are so famous for. Start the graph in 1999 and it has actually been warming for the past 13 years.

The true test though is that last decade was warmer than the one before it, and the one before that, and the one before that. Global warming is a long term trend. Cherry picking 16 years of data is just plain dishonest.


You need an updated graph and one you didnt make yourself. Get one from a reputable source, unless you think the MET office is not.


But the fact is the MET office have never claimed that warming has stopped the past 16 years. That was the tabloid Mail on Sunday's claim.

Quote:
The British newspaper the Mail on Sunday and its writer David Rose are notorious for publishing misleading (at best) climate-related articles, as we have discussed previously here, for example.  They have recently struck again, claiming that according to a "quietly released" Met Office report, global warming stopped 16 years ago (a myth which Skeptical Science debunks here and here).  This assertion is entirely fabricated, as the Met Office explained by publishing David Rose's inquiry and the Met Office's responses.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/oct/16/daily-mail-global-warming-stopped-wrong


The UK MET are incapable of admitting anything other than the hysterical position. They are so bad that the UK Parliament held an enquiry into them after that had for 5 consecutive years said that the year will be record hot while the result was near record cold. After a awhile, even the parliament got sick of their idiotic predictions.

And so now, the MET  release a graph that clearly and unequivocally shows no warming for 16 years and then says no, it is actually warming.

so do you understand why we take so much so-called expert opinion with a pinch of salt?  They are either incompetent or lie. not much of a choice!
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