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Re: Global cooling
Reply #60 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:05pm

adelcrow wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:57pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

It seems pretty bloody obvious to me that if the denialists said the cold snap we had in the middle of winter meant global cooling was upon us then this heatwave means global warming is a certainty..Im just using the denialists logic Cheesy

Except you are slow as usual. The doomsday cult are the ones trying to use weather as climate. The game begins with the cult as other BS doomsday predictions have hurt your own philosophy.

Hey I agree with you, we should always listen to shock jocks, lobbyists and pollies looking to shore up their seats.
Science and peer reviewed research has no place in a modern society

if you were half the sciientist you claim to be, you would know that peer review is a relatively recent concept. Einstein and other such luminaries were not peer-reviewd. In fact, the only time consensues (ie peers) were against him was when they were proven spectacularly wrong.

And you seem to think peer-review is some magic bullet where most peer review are cursory and never involved checking the maths or confirming the results.

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Reply #61 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:29pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:57pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

It seems pretty bloody obvious to me that if the denialists said the cold snap we had in the middle of winter meant global cooling was upon us then this heatwave means global warming is a certainty..Im just using the denialists logic Cheesy

Except you are slow as usual. The doomsday cult are the ones trying to use weather as climate. The game begins with the cult as other BS doomsday predictions have hurt your own philosophy.

Hey I agree with you, we should always listen to shock jocks, lobbyists and pollies looking to shore up their seats.
Science and peer reviewed research has no place in a modern society

if you were half the sciientist you claim to be, you would know that peer review is a relatively recent concept. Einstein and other such luminaries were not peer-reviewd. In fact, the only time consensues (ie peers) were against him was when they were proven spectacularly wrong.

And you seem to think peer-review is some magic bullet where most peer review are cursory and never involved checking the maths or confirming the results.

Thats why I only listen to Shock jocks, lobbyists and pollies who are trying to shore up their seats..its just common sense

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Reply #62 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:57pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

actually glaciers have stopped recending,

No. This is incorrect. Please do not tell lies.

Global glacial mass balance has been decreasing for decades and continues to decrease.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/bams-state-of-the-climate/2009-time-series/glacier

NOAA has a quite enviable record for being wrong.

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gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

antarctica is increasine ice level

No. This is incorrect. Please do not tell lies.

The lies are yours. western antarci ice increases are in excess of east antartic ice losses. you do have to count both, you know!

Continental ice on Antarctica is decreasing at a faster rate than originally predicted:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20804192

and this decrease in continental ice is resulting in an increase in extent of sea ice

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

a dn arctic has a underwater volcano.

Does it?

What does this have to do with the fact that arctic sea ice is now at the least extent ever recorded?

seriously??? it has to be explalned to you why an huge underwater voilcano under the arcitc ice cap has an effect on ice mass???

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

PLUS temperatures have not increased in 16 years

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

the chain of 'facts' is actully very thin. there is no direct proof that humans are responsible for waring. it is just a hypothesis that remains to be proven or disproven.

Actually, there is a vast amount of evidence that humans are responsible for warming. Denying it by telling lies as you have just been doing is just silly.

the probem with your position is that ACTUAL RECORDED TEMPERATURES are not rising. argue all you like but it is true. AS ai said before. Argue the pause if you will - that at least is credible. Arguing that termpeatures are still rising not only makes you look like a fool, but confirms it.

Could you please explain why you told an outright lie.

You wrote:
actually glaciers have stopped recending,

I have show you evidence that your statement is 100% wrong.

Please show evidence to support your statement - or admit that you were simply telling a lie.

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Re: Global cooling
Reply #63 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:58pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:57pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

It seems pretty bloody obvious to me that if the denialists said the cold snap we had in the middle of winter meant global cooling was upon us then this heatwave means global warming is a certainty..Im just using the denialists logic Cheesy

Except you are slow as usual. The doomsday cult are the ones trying to use weather as climate. The game begins with the cult as other BS doomsday predictions have hurt your own philosophy.

Hey I agree with you, we should always listen to shock jocks, lobbyists and pollies looking to shore up their seats.
Science and peer reviewed research has no place in a modern society

if you were half the sciientist you claim to be, you would know that peer review is a relatively recent concept. Einstein and other such luminaries were not peer-reviewd. In fact, the only time consensues (ie peers) were against him was when they were proven spectacularly wrong.

And you seem to think peer-review is some magic bullet where most peer review are cursory and never involved checking the maths or confirming the results.

if you were half the "sciientist" you claim to be, you wouldn't tell lies.

Please provide evidence to support your statement:

"actually glaciers have stopped recending,"

or apologise for trying to lie to the forum.

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Reply #64 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:11pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

The lies are yours. western antarci ice increases are in excess of east antartic ice losses. you do have to count both, you know!

Do you really think you will get away with simply making stuff up? Who do you think you are convincing with this childishness?

I already posted evidence that the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet is warming nearly twice as fast as previously thought.

The East Antarctice ice shelf is likewise losing ice.
A new study shows that the world's largest ice shelf has lost almost 60 billion tonnes of ice per year for the past three years.
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2009/s2751232.htm

Continental ice in the east antarctic is gaining ice, again because of warming. As you are probably blissfully unaware, Antarctica is the worlds driest continent. It is dry because cold air contains less moisture. The warming of the Antarctic interior is causing an increase in precipitation - hence, a gain in ice.

So - your initial statement "antarctica is increasine ice level" as "evidence" that the earth is not warming is simply nonsense.

While there is some increase in sea ice (due to the runoff of fresh melt water) and in interior ice (from increased precipitation), there is still a net decrease of ice mass over atntarctica.

With climate change, some scientists had expected that warmer air would increase snowfall over Antarctica, and that this would largely offset the increased ice loss from Greenland caused by warmer seas. In recent years, however, a number of studies have shown2–4 that both ice sheets are losing mass at an alarming rate, as ice streams speed up their seaward journeys and more and bigger icebergs are discharged into the ocean.
http://www.nature.com/news/grim-picture-of-polar-ice-sheet-loss-1.11921

So, please stop making things up. You are not fooling anyone except yourself.

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Reply #65 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:14pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

it has to be explalned to you why an huge underwater voilcano under the arcitc ice cap has an effect on ice mass???

Yes. Yes it does have to be explained to me. Please show us evidence of a " huge underwater voilcano" that is causing the arctic ice cap to melt.

Or better still - stop making things up. You are not fooling anybody.

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Reply #66 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:20pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

repeating your misinterpretation does not change its BASIC fallacy. 16 years where temperatures have not risen means one thing. NO TEMPERATURE RISE in 16 years. If you want, we can compare it to the MWP or football scores but nothing changes the FACT that for 16 years, temperatures have not risen.

Excuse me?!?! What basic fallacy?!?!?

Tell us - what are these "16 years" you keep referring to in which "temperatures have not risen."?!?!

Given that 2010 and 2005 was the hottest years ever recorded - you certainly cannot be referring to the past 16 years.

2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year of the global surface temperature record, beginning in 1880. This was the 34th consecutive year with global temperatures above the 20th century average.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2011/20110112_globalstats.html

So - WTF are you talking about?!?!?!

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Reply #67 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:42pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:11pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

The lies are yours. western antarci ice increases are in excess of east antartic ice losses. you do have to count both, you know!

Do you really think you will get away with simply making stuff up? Who do you think you are convincing with this childishness?

I already posted evidence that the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet is warming nearly twice as fast as previously thought.

The East Antarctice ice shelf is likewise losing ice.
A new study shows that the world's largest ice shelf has lost almost 60 billion tonnes of ice per year for the past three years.
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2009/s2751232.htm

Continental ice in the east antarctic is gaining ice, again because of warming. As you are probably blissfully unaware, Antarctica is the worlds driest continent. It is dry because cold air contains less moisture. The warming of the Antarctic interior is causing an increase in precipitation - hence, a gain in ice.

So - your initial statement "antarctica is increasine ice level" as "evidence" that the earth is not warming is simply nonsense.

While there is some increase in sea ice (due to the runoff of fresh melt water) and in interior ice (from increased precipitation), there is still a net decrease of ice mass over atntarctica.

With climate change, some scientists had expected that warmer air would increase snowfall over Antarctica, and that this would largely offset the increased ice loss from Greenland caused by warmer seas. In recent years, however, a number of studies have shown2–4 that both ice sheets are losing mass at an alarming rate, as ice streams speed up their seaward journeys and more and bigger icebergs are discharged into the ocean.
http://www.nature.com/news/grim-picture-of-polar-ice-sheet-loss-1.11921

So, please stop making things up. You are not fooling anyone except yourself.

nice post. in one scetion you say that the ice is increasing because of warming and then in the next you say it is decresing because of warming.

nice one.

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Reply #68 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:43pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

it has to be explalned to you why an huge underwater voilcano under the arcitc ice cap has an effect on ice mass???

Yes. Yes it does have to be explained to me. Please show us evidence of a " huge underwater voilcano" that is causing the arctic ice cap to melt.

Or better still - stop making things up. You are not fooling anybody.

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"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Reply #69 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:46pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

repeating your misinterpretation does not change its BASIC fallacy. 16 years where temperatures have not risen means one thing. NO TEMPERATURE RISE in 16 years. If you want, we can compare it to the MWP or football scores but nothing changes the FACT that for 16 years, temperatures have not risen.

Excuse me?!?! What basic fallacy?!?!?

Tell us - what are these "16 years" you keep referring to in which "temperatures have not risen."?!?!

Given that 2010 and 2005 was the hottest years ever recorded - you certainly cannot be referring to the past 16 years.

2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year of the global surface temperature record, beginning in 1880. This was the 34th consecutive year with global temperatures above the 20th century average.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2011/20110112_globalstats.html

So - WTF are you talking about?!?!?!

NOAA has been discredited more times tha lastnail. CRU has stated that temnperatures have been static for the last 16 years. Dont like it? dont care. its an indictment on the integrity of climate hysterics is that it doesnt matter what happens - you simply say it is warming. Teh day sydney harbour freezes over you will say it is the warmest year yet.

the METs own graph based from CRU which is THE authority on temperature says temperaturs are static.

but perhaps you wen to the Michale Mann school of science (which NOAA supports) where when calculating average temperatures for one of his reports, he averaged SUMMER temperatures not annual temperatures.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Global cooling Reply #70 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:50pm This is what the met said. They even put it in pictures so that simpletons could understand. They certainly underestimated you, didn't they, goldie.
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Reply #71 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:20pm

MOTR wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

it has to be explalned to you why an huge underwater voilcano under the arcitc ice cap has an effect on ice mass???

Yes. Yes it does have to be explained to me. Please show us evidence of a " huge underwater voilcano" that is causing the arctic ice cap to melt.

Or better still - stop making things up. You are not fooling anybody.

http://www.diabetesmine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/popcorn.jpg

i have already posted links to the underwater volcano. Your repeated refusal to accept its existance and dumb-bunnys inability to understand how that could possibly affect the ice above it doesnt speak highly of you.

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Reply #72 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:30pm

MOTR wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

This is what the met said.

They even put it in pictures so that simpletons could understand. They certainly underestimated you, didn't they, goldie.

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/MetOffice.gif

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/warmestdecade.jpg

I think you missed this one:

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Reply #73 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:32pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

This is what the met said.

They even put it in pictures so that simpletons could understand. They certainly underestimated you, didn't they, goldie.

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/MetOffice.gif

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/warmestdecade.jpg

I think you missed this one:

tell me again how 2010 was a hot year based on the above.

yes, I do note that the graphs apparently differ and yet... sourced from the same place. I wonder how that can be. Perhaps some mann-like manipulation maybe??

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Reply #74 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:56pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

This is what the met said.

They even put it in pictures so that simpletons could understand. They certainly underestimated you, didn't they, goldie.

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/MetOffice.gif

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/warmestdecade.jpg

I think you missed this one:

tell me again how 2010 was a hot year based on the above.

yes, I do note that the graphs apparently differ and yet... sourced from the same place. I wonder how that can be. Perhaps some mann-like manipulation maybe??

You don't have faith in the colourful graphs? What!?

That's what AGW alarmists base their entire argument on.

Don't knock the colourful little graphs: that's just not fair.

Wink

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