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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #90 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:29pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:08am:

We are all Christians because:

in fact we contribute far more than the 10% tithe by way of tax.

This money goes to social security to feed & house the poor.

Hey gay-stalker. Are you aware that Christians that tithe also pay the same tax as you do? Are you ever going to make a relevant post?

So? Tithing isnt something non-religious ppl are compelled to do. Your choice.

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do people have to write in crayon or use pictograms for you to understand anything???In the world of the stupid, you are royalty.

Do you find it impossible to counter with an actual argument instead of abuse? Perhaps you should pray about it.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #91 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:29pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:57am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:34am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:17am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:19am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2013 at 11:21pm:

Does anyone know ??

Here's my definition of a Christian,

A Christian is an arrogant fool which turns up at the same place and at the same time every Sunday paying an even bigger fool to read them fairy tales out of an old book written some 2000 years ago by an even bigger fool or fools !!

Sound familiar ? I think we all know somebody that fits that description here. Hey longloser do you copy Grin

An interesting observation of Christianity is, though, the concept of charity is still alive and well. It is Christian organisations feeding and clothing the homeless and poor. Can you name any secular organisation (government handouts do not count) that does such things?

It is very interesting that while atheist left-leaning intellectuals claim to be the representation of 'equality' and 'egalitarianism', and paint Christians as 'stupid' and 'evil' fools, you do not see any atheist organisations clothing and feeding the homeless and poor.

There is something in that the average Joe should think about.

What a load of crap. There arent any "atheist organisations" because it is just the lack of belief in a deity.

SOB

Still repeating this drivel. Roll Eyes

Well, you see if these "atheists" actually gave a poo about feeding the poor, they could start a "feeding the poor" organisation, rather than an "atheist organisation". But they don't. Angry

Because for them, preening and puffing is better than action.

It is not the job of Athiests or Agnostics to feed the poor, although I know many do, however, it IS the job of Christians to feed the poor. They have declared publicly that they will follow in the teachings of Christ by becoming Christians.

Churches are obliged to feed the poor, all others are not.

Right. So what IS the job of atheists or agnostics? I mean, besides puffing and preening and sneering at those less trendy? They do tend to expend a lot of wind blathering about 'social justice' and 'equality' but I just don't see much in the way of action. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places.

Atheists and agnostics dont have a job - since all it means is lack of belief in a deity.

SOB

do you ahve the SLIGHTEST idea what this topic is about?

Do you? Explain it longy.

Obviously you want to avoid my comment.

SOB

it is obviously not possible to explain it to you. You really are that obtuse and stupid that you obviously don't get this thread at all.

Hahahahahaha! I think perhaps it is you that doesnt understand this thread.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #92 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:50pm

Whilst it is the obligation of the church to look after the poor, others step in to take up the slack.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #93 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:25pm

What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?

What does it mean to be a witness against this present age of men ?

What does it mean to glorify and worship God ?

Dictionary;
glorify = = praise and worship (God). reveal the glory of (God) through one’s actions.

Why must Christians glorify God [....first, and foremost] ?

Jesus Christ himself was a witness that all men should glorify God [and his righteousness].

Mark 12:28
And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Psalms 14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

Matthew 6:33
...seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;

Zephaniah 2:3
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness:......

Q.
What is 'the righteousness of God' ?

1 Thessalonians 5:22
Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Leviticus 20:7
Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

Hosea 12:6
Therefore turn thou to thy God: keep mercy and judgment,....

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

James 4:8
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you....

I rejoice in the knowledge of my God.

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WHAT DO ALL MEN DO [seek], TODAY ?

They seek their own pleasure.

They discard the righteousness of God, as something which is worthless to them.

2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Matthew 24:32
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #95 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:42pm

aaanyway, female and homosexual bishops, gay marriage, support for divorce and single mums, no fire and brimstone sermons in favour of "tolerance" - the christian church of today has very little christian about it. I have no doubt they'd do better in the membership stakes if they stuck to their principles, like teh mussies do.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #96 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:04pm

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

aaanyway, female and homosexual bishops, gay marriage, support for divorce and single mums, no fire and brimstone sermons in favour of "tolerance" - the christian church of today has very little christian about it.

I have no doubt they'd do better in the membership stakes if they stuck to their principles, like teh mussies do.

IMO, Christians would be better able to understand the requirements of their faith,
if the finished with their commitment to going to a 'building' every Sunday,
.....AND INSTEAD READ THEIR BIBLES, EVERY DAY.

Pray, glorify God [in your actions], read God's word [so as to be lead by God's spirit].

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #97 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:08pm

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

aaanyway, female and homosexual bishops, gay marriage, support for divorce and single mums, no fire and brimstone sermons in favour of "tolerance" - the christian church of today has very little christian about it. I have no doubt they'd do better in the membership stakes if they stuck to their principles, like teh mussies do.

some denominations do and guess what... massive attendances. Our church in sleepy old adelaide has 4000 members and we arent even the biggest in town.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #98 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:17am:

Longweekend,
we all contribute far more than the 10% tithe by way of tax.

This money goes to social security to feed & house the poor.

What is your problem?

very very little of it goes to the genuinely poor that the Churches help. if you think your taxes are an alternative to a social conscience then congratulations - you have none.

Dear Longy,
I pay such heavy taxes that I feel no need to contribute more for the poor.
I consider myself to be one of the poor - the working poor.

I don't live at Point Piper like the rich.

so don't contribute money. contribute TIME. go work at a shelter or feed the homeless or help a church wrap up presents for the poor at Christmas time.

but you wont. the reality is that you talk the talk but when asked to actually HELP the poor and needy you are just like the rest of the atheists. NOT INTERESTED.

Dear Longy,
I will volunteer my time when I am retired.
It's a bit much to ask me when I'm working fulltime isn't it?

forgiven

namaste

No...

What a troll you are.
As if you're out there helping all the homeless beggars.

forgiven

namaste

But I'm not the one who bags out and abuses the people who DO go out there and help the poor...

And remember, a lot of those Christians that you look down on, work long hours ( perhaps even longer than you) but still give up their free time to do charity work...

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #99 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:15pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:17am:

Longweekend,
we all contribute far more than the 10% tithe by way of tax.

This money goes to social security to feed & house the poor.

What is your problem?

very very little of it goes to the genuinely poor that the Churches help. if you think your taxes are an alternative to a social conscience then congratulations - you have none.

Dear Longy,
I pay such heavy taxes that I feel no need to contribute more for the poor.
I consider myself to be one of the poor - the working poor.

I don't live at Point Piper like the rich.

so don't contribute money. contribute TIME. go work at a shelter or feed the homeless or help a church wrap up presents for the poor at Christmas time.

but you wont. the reality is that you talk the talk but when asked to actually HELP the poor and needy you are just like the rest of the atheists. NOT INTERESTED.

Dear Longy,
I will volunteer my time when I am retired.
It's a bit much to ask me when I'm working fulltime isn't it?

forgiven

namaste

No...

What a troll you are.
As if you're out there helping all the homeless beggars.

forgiven

namaste

But I'm not the one who bags out and abuses the people who DO go out there and help the poor...

And remember, a lot of those Christians that you look down on, work long hours ( perhaps even longer than you) but still give up their free time to do charity work...

Did you even look at reply #92?

It seems that more Non-Christians give of their time.

It is so

forgiven for misinformation

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #100 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:12pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:17am:

Longweekend,
we all contribute far more than the 10% tithe by way of tax.

This money goes to social security to feed & house the poor.

What is your problem?

very very little of it goes to the genuinely poor that the Churches help. if you think your taxes are an alternative to a social conscience then congratulations - you have none.

Dear Longy,
I pay such heavy taxes that I feel no need to contribute more for the poor.
I consider myself to be one of the poor - the working poor.

I don't live at Point Piper like the rich.

so don't contribute money. contribute TIME. go work at a shelter or feed the homeless or help a church wrap up presents for the poor at Christmas time.

but you wont. the reality is that you talk the talk but when asked to actually HELP the poor and needy you are just like the rest of the atheists. NOT INTERESTED.

Dear Longy,
I will volunteer my time when I am retired.
It's a bit much to ask me when I'm working fulltime isn't it?

forgiven

namaste

No...

What a troll you are.
As if you're out there helping all the homeless beggars.

forgiven

namaste

But I'm not the one who bags out and abuses the people who DO go out there and help the poor...

And remember, a lot of those Christians that you look down on, work long hours ( perhaps even longer than you) but still give up their free time to do charity work...

Did you even look at reply #92?

It seems that more Non-Christians give of their time.

It is so

forgiven for misinformation

Namaste

you mean that list that included such 'secular' groups such as World Vision? Are you even remotely aware of how christian most of that list is? started by christians, supported by churches and filled with church people.

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Reply #101 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:14pm

Gizmo,
Quote:

But I'm not the one who bags out and abuses the people who DO go out there and help the poor...

And remember, a lot of those Christians that you look down on, work long hours ( perhaps even longer than you) but still give up their free time to do charity work.

Gizmo,
Shut Up you self righteous windbag.
Just because some Christians help people doesn't deny me the right
to criticise their belief in devils & witches.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #102 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:16pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:17am:

Longweekend,
we all contribute far more than the 10% tithe by way of tax.

This money goes to social security to feed & house the poor.

What is your problem?

very very little of it goes to the genuinely poor that the Chuches help. if you think your taxes are an alternative to a social conscience then congratulations - you have none.

so does the church give the 30,000 homeless in Melbourne a $250 social welfare cheque each week if as you say very little of it goes to the needy ??

I doubt it Sad

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Reply #103 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:23pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:17am:

Longweekend,
we all contribute far more than the 10% tithe by way of tax.

This money goes to social security to feed & house the poor.

What is your problem?

very very little of it goes to the genuinely poor that the Churches help. if you think your taxes are an alternative to a social conscience then congratulations - you have none.

Dear Longy,
I pay such heavy taxes that I feel no need to contribute more for the poor.
I consider myself to be one of the poor - the working poor.

I don't live at Point Piper like the rich.

so don't contribute money. contribute TIME. go work at a shelter or feed the homeless or help a church wrap up presents for the poor at Christmas time.

but you wont. the reality is that you talk the talk but when asked to actually HELP the poor and needy you are just like the rest of the atheists. NOT INTERESTED.

Dear Longy,
I will volunteer my time when I am retired.
It's a bit much to ask me when I'm working fulltime isn't it?

forgiven

namaste

No...

What a troll you are.
As if you're out there helping all the homeless beggars.

forgiven

namaste

But I'm not the one who bags out and abuses the people who DO go out there and help the poor...

And remember, a lot of those Christians that you look down on, work long hours ( perhaps even longer than you) but still give up their free time to do charity work...

Did you even look at reply #92?

It seems that more Non-Christians give of their time.

It is so

forgiven for misinformation

Namaste

Well at least two on your list are religious organizations, and several don't even work with poor people at all...

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #104 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:25pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

Gizmo,
Quote:

But I'm not the one who bags out and abuses the people who DO go out there and help the poor...

And remember, a lot of those Christians that you look down on, work long hours ( perhaps even longer than you) but still give up their free time to do charity work.

Gizmo,
Shut Up you self righteous windbag.
Just because some Christians help people doesn't deny me the right
to criticise their belief in devils & witches.

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namaste

actually, your refusal to help and christians willingness to help a great deal DOES give gizmo the right to criticise you. its called the moral high ground.

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