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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26508 Australia	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #120 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:53pm SOB
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104726 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #121 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:54pm Everyone must watch this: Easter mass 2012 - Lucifer will never be defeated - Christ is your son. Devil worship from the Catholics.
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Reply #122 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:55pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:33pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:16pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:17am:

Longweekend,
we all contribute far more than the 10% tithe by way of tax.

This money goes to social security to feed & house the poor.

What is your problem?

very very little of it goes to the genuinely poor that the Chuches help. if you think your taxes are an alternative to a social conscience then congratulations - you have none.

so does the church give the 30,000 homeless in Melbourne a $250 social welfare cheque each week if as you say very little of it goes to the needy ??

I doubt it Sad

the federal budget is $300B. you work out what percentage that is... nah, you wont. it is less than 0.1% which by any definition is VERY LITTLE.

well it doesn't come from the fricken churches does it ? which is why they had it all stashed away in Lehman Brothers bank before it went belly up !!

you really are a first rate jerk. nothing you are ever told sinks in past your own opinions. get over it. no body agrees with you but your gay stalker mate.

oh really f.ckstick. Care to elaborate on the following story ?? What will be your pathetic excuse this time ? They needed to earn enough interest until they had enough to help the poor Grin

get the bugger out of here will you sick bastard Angry

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Debt crisis could cost charities millions

ALMOST a year after the subprime debt crisis emerged in the United States, the same financial products which have exposed NSW councils to hundreds of millions of dollars in potential losses are threatening charities, churches, children's hospitals, nursing homes and dozens of councils across the nation.

Gosford City Council is one of the worst affected: it faces having a $74 million portfolio wiped out.

The Herald has obtained information about the Australian accounts and investments of the Wall Street investment bank Lehman Brothers, which shows St Vincent De Paul Society, the Starlight Children's Foundation, the Boystown charity for underprivileged children, and the Anglican, Baptist, Uniting and Catholic churches all hold structured finance products. Many may now be worthless.

Lehman was the most active promoter of collateralised debt obligations (CDOs), a complex "derivative" product whose underlying assets were US mortgages and vehicle and credit-card debts all packaged in a high-yield security.

They were marketed with Australian names such as Federation, Tasman, Parkes, Flinders, Kokoda, Kiama and Torquay. But despite the marketing spiel that the diversity of underlying mortgages made for a safe investment, the toxic loans in them contaminated the entire market for the products, leaving no buyers.

The National Australia Bank recently wrote down the value of its CDO portfolio by $1 billion, or 90 per cent. Most of the charities and councils which hold CDOs are yet to make writedowns, and thereby concede they will incur losses. But there are no buyers. Some councils contacted by the Herald said they had not written down the value of their CDOs as they were still producing income.

Despite a $4.8 billion profit handed down by the Commonwealth Bank early this week and the generally robust financials of Australia's big banks, hundreds of smaller financial institutions, charities, super funds and government bodies have been weakened by their exposure to fancy structured finance products.

Besides Gosford's $74 million portfolio of CDOs, Hurstville had $25.5 million, according to figures leaked to the Herald; the St Vincent de Paul Society has funds under management with Lehman, which mostly comprise structured finance assets of $8.9 million; the travel group Flight Centre $55.7 million; Charles Sturt University $17.5 million; Metro Ambulance Services $30.5 million.

Twenty councils are preparing a class action against Lehman Brothers to recover their losses, including Armidale, Blaney, Deniliquin, Gilgandra, Kiama, Narribri, Parkes, Walcha, Wingecarribee and Port Macquarie.

Of the charities and councils contacted by the Herald, none have been affected in an operational sense, as they are still getting interest payments. The State Government has given councils tougher investment guidelines and is monitoring the situation.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/debt-crisis-could-cost-charities-millions/20...

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #123 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:25pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

Pansi,
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longy would be very selective about who he'd help. They'd have to own their own house, run their own business and have a PHd.

He's the worst face of Christianity. He's homophobic, racist, bigoted, capitalistic, misogynistic, close-minded and arrogant. Hey hang on.....that describes some of the more fanatical Christians to a tee. It also describes the fanatical Muslims that he so hates, no wonder they can't stand each other, they see eye to eye on so many things.

You can add these new charges to my Longy forgiveness thread:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1356646946/59#59

Supplementary charges were always going to take place.
Further charges are pending.

so thats your admission that you lost the debate on what Christians do in the community?

Longy,
you're a proven unashamed liar & devil worshipper.

Dear Bobby,

forgiveness for

longy's

misrepresentations

longy,

you are forgiven

in love

and light

Namaste

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #124 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

Pansi,
Quote:

longy would be very selective about who he'd help. They'd have to own their own house, run their own business and have a PHd.

He's the worst face of Christianity. He's homophobic, racist, bigoted, capitalistic, misogynistic, close-minded and arrogant. Hey hang on.....that describes some of the more fanatical Christians to a tee. It also describes the fanatical Muslims that he so hates, no wonder they can't stand each other, they see eye to eye on so many things.

You can add these new charges to my Longy forgiveness thread:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1356646946/59#59

Supplementary charges were always going to take place.
Further charges are pending.

so thats your admission that you lost the debate on what Christians do in the community?

Longy,
you're a proven unashamed liar & devil worshipper.

i think you are going after SOB's title as the stupidest poster. still running second, but it is a good try.

lazy uncaring bugger that you are.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104726 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #125 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:28pm Hi Pansi, the new age has affected you too. You are even forgiving Longweekend! Did you watch & see the devil worship in the 2012 Easter Catholic mass?
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #126 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:55pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:33pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:16pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:17am:

Longweekend,
we all contribute far more than the 10% tithe by way of tax.

This money goes to social security to feed & house the poor.

What is your problem?

very very little of it goes to the genuinely poor that the Chuches help. if you think your taxes are an alternative to a social conscience then congratulations - you have none.

so does the church give the 30,000 homeless in Melbourne a $250 social welfare cheque each week if as you say very little of it goes to the needy ??

I doubt it Sad

the federal budget is $300B. you work out what percentage that is... nah, you wont. it is less than 0.1% which by any definition is VERY LITTLE.

well it doesn't come from the fricken churches does it ? which is why they had it all stashed away in Lehman Brothers bank before it went belly up !!

you really are a first rate jerk. nothing you are ever told sinks in past your own opinions. get over it. no body agrees with you but your gay stalker mate.

oh really f.ckstick. Care to elaborate on the following story ?? What will be your pathetic excuse this time ? They needed to earn enough interest until they had enough to help the poor Grin

get the bugger out of here will you sick bastard Angry

Quote:

Debt crisis could cost charities millions

ALMOST a year after the subprime debt crisis emerged in the United States, the same financial products which have exposed NSW councils to hundreds of millions of dollars in potential losses are threatening charities, churches, children's hospitals, nursing homes and dozens of councils across the nation.

Gosford City Council is one of the worst affected: it faces having a $74 million portfolio wiped out.

The Herald has obtained information about the Australian accounts and investments of the Wall Street investment bank Lehman Brothers, which shows St Vincent De Paul Society, the Starlight Children's Foundation, the Boystown charity for underprivileged children, and the Anglican, Baptist, Uniting and Catholic churches all hold structured finance products. Many may now be worthless.

Lehman was the most active promoter of collateralised debt obligations (CDOs), a complex "derivative" product whose underlying assets were US mortgages and vehicle and credit-card debts all packaged in a high-yield security.

They were marketed with Australian names such as Federation, Tasman, Parkes, Flinders, Kokoda, Kiama and Torquay. But despite the marketing spiel that the diversity of underlying mortgages made for a safe investment, the toxic loans in them contaminated the entire market for the products, leaving no buyers.

The National Australia Bank recently wrote down the value of its CDO portfolio by $1 billion, or 90 per cent. Most of the charities and councils which hold CDOs are yet to make writedowns, and thereby concede they will incur losses. But there are no buyers. Some councils contacted by the Herald said they had not written down the value of their CDOs as they were still producing income.

Despite a $4.8 billion profit handed down by the Commonwealth Bank early this week and the generally robust financials of Australia's big banks, hundreds of smaller financial institutions, charities, super funds and government bodies have been weakened by their exposure to fancy structured finance products.

Besides Gosford's $74 million portfolio of CDOs, Hurstville had $25.5 million, according to figures leaked to the Herald; the St Vincent de Paul Society has funds under management with Lehman, which mostly comprise structured finance assets of $8.9 million; the travel group Flight Centre $55.7 million; Charles Sturt University $17.5 million; Metro Ambulance Services $30.5 million.

Of the charities and councils contacted by the Herald, none have been affected in an operational sense, as they are still getting interest payments. The State Government has given councils tougher investment guidelines and is monitoring the situation.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/debt-crisis-could-cost-charities-millions/20...

already done so before. The problem is you. You simply cannot understand how ANYONE could possibly invest today for a future tomorrow.Thats why you are so dumb that you wot buy appreciating assets today for your future.

You dont understand that answer to this question because you are so simple and so pittifully ignorant that complex questions elude you.

I presume that every dollar you get paid is spent immediately so you can be removed the burden of savings and investment. nothing else could possibly explain your unbelievablu limited understanding of basic finanacial management. No wonder the govt woudlnt give you a grant. You fail on the most basic qualification: financial competence.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #127 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:12pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

already done so before. The problem is you. You simply cannot understand how ANYONE could possibly invest today for a future tomorrow.Thats why you are so dumb that you wot buy appreciating assets today for your future.

You dont understand that answer to this question because you are so simple and so pittifully ignorant that complex questions elude you.

I presume that every dollar you get paid is spent immediately so you can be removed the burden of savings and investment. nothing else could possibly explain your unbelievablu limited understanding of basic finanacial management. No wonder the govt woudlnt give you a grant. You fail on the most basic qualification: financial competence.

Where in the bible does it say to hoard money instead of passing it on straight away to the needy ??

How would the government be if it held back welfare payments because it wanted to earn a little bit more from bank interest ?

The church just makes up it's own rules when it comes to donations and no one can question it. That makes it open to corruption which in this case it was Sad

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Reply #128 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:23pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Hi Pansi,
the new age has affected you too.

You are even forgiving Longweekend!

Did you watch & see the devil worship in the 2012 Easter Catholic mass?

I did watch it bobby, but I'm not judging the video because I don't know if the translation is correct. I read the comments and it seems that the Latin into English could be faulty. The Catholic Church does a lot of weird ritualistic stuff and 'other' weird stuff, so nothing surprises me.

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Reply #129 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Hi Pansi,
the new age has affected you too.

You are even forgiving Longweekend!

Did you watch & see the devil worship in the 2012 Easter Catholic mass?

I did watch it bobby, but I'm not judging the video because I don't know if the translation is correct. I read the comments and it seems that the Latin into English could be faulty. The Catholic Church does a lot of weird ritualistic stuff and 'other' weird stuff, so nothing surprises me.

Yes Pansi,
the translation would always be a problem.
Still - there is mention of Lucifer there.

The new Pope has taken the church back 500 years -
back to the days of the Inquisition.
The new Pope was the leader of the modern Inquisition before becoming the Pope.
We are back to the old devil days.

the church is forgiven

namaste

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Reply #130 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:34pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

already done so before. The problem is you. You simply cannot understand how ANYONE could possibly invest today for a future tomorrow.Thats why you are so dumb that you wot buy appreciating assets today for your future.

You dont understand that answer to this question because you are so simple and so pittifully ignorant that complex questions elude you.

I presume that every dollar you get paid is spent immediately so you can be removed the burden of savings and investment. nothing else could possibly explain your unbelievablu limited understanding of basic finanacial management. No wonder the govt woudlnt give you a grant. You fail on the most basic qualification: financial competence.

Where in the bible does it say to hoard money instead of passing it on straight away to the needy ??

How would the government be if it held back welfare payments because it wanted to earn a little bit more from bank interest ?

The church just makes up it's own rules when it comes to donations and no one can question it. That makes it open to corruption which in this case it was Sad

investment is not hoarding, mental-nail. but I was right.... you spend everything every pay day and then come on here to attack those with assets and savings.

loser.

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Reply #131 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Hi Pansi,
the new age has affected you too.

You are even forgiving Longweekend!

Did you watch & see the devil worship in the 2012 Easter Catholic mass?

I did watch it bobby, but I'm not judging the video because I don't know if the translation is correct. I read the comments and it seems that the Latin into English could be faulty. The Catholic Church does a lot of weird ritualistic stuff and 'other' weird stuff, so nothing surprises me.

Yes Pansi,
the translation would always be a problem.
Still - there is mention of Lucifer there.

The new Pope has taken the church back 500 years -
back to the days of the Inquisition.
The new Pope was the leader of the modern Inquisition before becoming the Pope.
We are back to the old devil days.

the church is forgiven

namaste

Notice that Longweekend has failed to watch the video.

He is an ostrich who sticks his head in the sand.

forgiven

namaste

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Reply #132 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

the translation would always be a problem.
Still - there is mention of Lucifer there.

The new Pope has taken the church back 500 years -
back to the days of the Inquisition.
The new Pope was the leader of the modern Inquisition before becoming the Pope.
We are back to the old devil days.

the church is forgiven

namaste

Bobby, have you ever been to a Christian service? I went to many different denominations when I was church shopping and I can testify that a good percentage of the sermon is spent talking about the devil, satan, lucifer whatever you want to call it. He is the arch enemy of Christians, always trying to heckle them into sin. Satan is discussed almost as much as God or Jesus. I can't say that I blame him for paying out on them though, he gets the blame for everything that goes wrong, poor bugger.

Church is not always an uplifting experience, there's an awful lot of threats to deal with, if not from the good book, from the preacher himself.

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Reply #133 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 6:01pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

the translation would always be a problem.
Still - there is mention of Lucifer there.

The new Pope has taken the church back 500 years -
back to the days of the Inquisition.
The new Pope was the leader of the modern Inquisition before becoming the Pope.
We are back to the old devil days.

the church is forgiven

namaste

Bobby, have you ever been to a Christian service? I went to many different denominations when I was church shopping and I can testify that a good percentage of the sermon is spent talking about the devil, satan, lucifer whatever you want to call it. He is the arch enemy of Christians, always trying to heckle them into sin. Satan is discussed almost as much as God or Jesus. I can't say that I blame him for paying out on them though, he gets the blame for everything that goes wrong, poor bugger.

Church is not always an uplifting experience, there's an awful lot of threats to deal with, if not from the good book, from the preacher himself.

Yes - I went to an Anglican christening once for a little baby - a niece.

I was put off when the priest told us how lucky the baby was to be christened because
otherwise it would go to hell.

That put me off straight away.

To me - the church is a relic of the dark ages & should be discarded.

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Reply #134 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 6:04pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

the translation would always be a problem.
Still - there is mention of Lucifer there.

The new Pope has taken the church back 500 years -
back to the days of the Inquisition.
The new Pope was the leader of the modern Inquisition before becoming the Pope.
We are back to the old devil days.

the church is forgiven

namaste

Bobby, have you ever been to a Christian service? I went to many different denominations when I was church shopping and I can testify that a good percentage of the sermon is spent talking about the devil, satan, lucifer whatever you want to call it. He is the arch enemy of Christians, always trying to heckle them into sin. Satan is discussed almost as much as God or Jesus. I can't say that I blame him for paying out on them though, he gets the blame for everything that goes wrong, poor bugger.

Church is not always an uplifting experience, there's an awful lot of threats to deal with, if not from the good book, from the preacher himself.

you need to try a few more. depending on where you are there are a great number of excellent churches.

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