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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #135 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 6:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

the translation would always be a problem.
Still - there is mention of Lucifer there.

The new Pope has taken the church back 500 years -
back to the days of the Inquisition.
The new Pope was the leader of the modern Inquisition before becoming the Pope.
We are back to the old devil days.

the church is forgiven

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Bobby, have you ever been to a Christian service? I went to many different denominations when I was church shopping and I can testify that a good percentage of the sermon is spent talking about the devil, satan, lucifer whatever you want to call it. He is the arch enemy of Christians, always trying to heckle them into sin. Satan is discussed almost as much as God or Jesus. I can't say that I blame him for paying out on them though, he gets the blame for everything that goes wrong, poor bugger.

Church is not always an uplifting experience, there's an awful lot of threats to deal with, if not from the good book, from the preacher himself.

Yes - I went to an Anglican christening once for a little baby - a niece.

I was put off when the priest told us how lucky the baby was to be christened because
otherwise it would go to hell.

That put me off straight away.

To me - the church is a relic of the dark ages & should be discarded.

perhaps you should do what a proper thinker would do and actually consider the relative claims and merits and seek truth rather than comfortable ignorance.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #136 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 6:27pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

the translation would always be a problem.
Still - there is mention of Lucifer there.

The new Pope has taken the church back 500 years -
back to the days of the Inquisition.
The new Pope was the leader of the modern Inquisition before becoming the Pope.
We are back to the old devil days.

the church is forgiven

namaste

Bobby, have you ever been to a Christian service? I went to many different denominations when I was church shopping and I can testify that a good percentage of the sermon is spent talking about the devil, satan, lucifer whatever you want to call it. He is the arch enemy of Christians, always trying to heckle them into sin. Satan is discussed almost as much as God or Jesus. I can't say that I blame him for paying out on them though, he gets the blame for everything that goes wrong, poor bugger.

Church is not always an uplifting experience, there's an awful lot of threats to deal with, if not from the good book, from the preacher himself.

you need to try a few more. depending on where you are there are a great number of excellent churches.

It's ok longy, the whole experience turned me back to an Agnostic, where I'm happy to be myself.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #137 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:09pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

already done so before. The problem is you. You simply cannot understand how ANYONE could possibly invest today for a future tomorrow.Thats why you are so dumb that you wot buy appreciating assets today for your future.

You dont understand that answer to this question because you are so simple and so pittifully ignorant that complex questions elude you.

I presume that every dollar you get paid is spent immediately so you can be removed the burden of savings and investment. nothing else could possibly explain your unbelievablu limited understanding of basic finanacial management. No wonder the govt woudlnt give you a grant. You fail on the most basic qualification: financial competence.

Where in the bible does it say to hoard money instead of passing it on straight away to the needy ??

How would the government be if it held back welfare payments because it wanted to earn a little bit more from bank interest ?

The church just makes up it's own rules when it comes to donations and no one can question it. That makes it open to corruption which in this case it was Sad

Mark 14:3
And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured it on his head.
4 And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made?
5 For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. And they murmured against her.
6 And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #138 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:13pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

the translation would always be a problem.
Still - there is mention of Lucifer there.

The new Pope has taken the church back 500 years -
back to the days of the Inquisition.
The new Pope was the leader of the modern Inquisition before becoming the Pope.
We are back to the old devil days.

the church is forgiven

namaste

Bobby, have you ever been to a Christian service? I went to many different denominations when I was church shopping and I can testify that a good percentage of the sermon is spent talking about the devil, satan, lucifer whatever you want to call it. He is the arch enemy of Christians, always trying to heckle them into sin. Satan is discussed almost as much as God or Jesus. I can't say that I blame him for paying out on them though, he gets the blame for everything that goes wrong, poor bugger.

Church is not always an uplifting experience, there's an awful lot of threats to deal with, if not from the good book, from the preacher himself.

you need to try a few more. depending on where you are there are a great number of excellent churches.

they are all full of fake and superficial people such as yourself who behave completely different at the church than you do on this forum !!

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #139 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:20pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:13pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

the translation would always be a problem.
Still - there is mention of Lucifer there.

The new Pope has taken the church back 500 years -
back to the days of the Inquisition.
The new Pope was the leader of the modern Inquisition before becoming the Pope.
We are back to the old devil days.

the church is forgiven

namaste

Bobby, have you ever been to a Christian service? I went to many different denominations when I was church shopping and I can testify that a good percentage of the sermon is spent talking about the devil, satan, lucifer whatever you want to call it. He is the arch enemy of Christians, always trying to heckle them into sin. Satan is discussed almost as much as God or Jesus. I can't say that I blame him for paying out on them though, he gets the blame for everything that goes wrong, poor bugger.

Church is not always an uplifting experience, there's an awful lot of threats to deal with, if not from the good book, from the preacher himself.

you need to try a few more. depending on where you are there are a great number of excellent churches.

they are all full of fake and superficial people such as yourself who behave completely different at the church than you do on this forum !!

All men and women are destined to be corrupted by their interaction with this world, imo.

At least people who are seeking God/attending church, are showing a degree of remorse for their error.

And that is what God requires from us, repentance, to be sorry, for our mistakes.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #140 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:22pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:34pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

already done so before. The problem is you. You simply cannot understand how ANYONE could possibly invest today for a future tomorrow.Thats why you are so dumb that you wot buy appreciating assets today for your future.

You dont understand that answer to this question because you are so simple and so pittifully ignorant that complex questions elude you.

I presume that every dollar you get paid is spent immediately so you can be removed the burden of savings and investment. nothing else could possibly explain your unbelievablu limited understanding of basic finanacial management. No wonder the govt woudlnt give you a grant. You fail on the most basic qualification: financial competence.

Where in the bible does it say to hoard money instead of passing it on straight away to the needy ??

How would the government be if it held back welfare payments because it wanted to earn a little bit more from bank interest ?

The church just makes up it's own rules when it comes to donations and no one can question it. That makes it open to corruption which in this case it was Sad

investment is not hoarding, mental-nail. but I was right.... you spend everything every pay day and then come on here to attack those with assets and savings.

loser.

Like I said you can't show me in the bible where it says to stash tithes away in a bank because the bible says the complete opposite !! Would you like me to repeat the verses for the 1000th time ?

And sticking it in a bank is hoarding it idiot !! Even your own bible says it is. What good does sticking it in a bank help desperately needy people who need it NOW !! The churches stuck it in the bank vault instead of passing it on to desperate needy people. In the end the greedy churches lost it all and the needy still went without. Your attitude towards the needy is no different than your attitude towards the underclass on this forum Sad

People are getting sick of your hypocrisy and double standards. Angry

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #141 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:28pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:20pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:13pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

the translation would always be a problem.
Still - there is mention of Lucifer there.

The new Pope has taken the church back 500 years -
back to the days of the Inquisition.
The new Pope was the leader of the modern Inquisition before becoming the Pope.
We are back to the old devil days.

the church is forgiven

namaste

Bobby, have you ever been to a Christian service? I went to many different denominations when I was church shopping and I can testify that a good percentage of the sermon is spent talking about the devil, satan, lucifer whatever you want to call it. He is the arch enemy of Christians, always trying to heckle them into sin. Satan is discussed almost as much as God or Jesus. I can't say that I blame him for paying out on them though, he gets the blame for everything that goes wrong, poor bugger.

Church is not always an uplifting experience, there's an awful lot of threats to deal with, if not from the good book, from the preacher himself.

you need to try a few more. depending on where you are there are a great number of excellent churches.

they are all full of fake and superficial people such as yourself who behave completely different at the church than you do on this forum !!

All men and women are destined to be corrupted by their interaction with this world, imo.

At least people who are seeking God/attending church, are showing a degree of remorse for their error.

And that is what God requires from us, repentance, to be sorry, for our mistakes.

That's complete bullshit. People go to churches because the church institutions have brain washed people at a young age to attend the church in order to indoctrinate them later on in life to donate money to them when they are of a working age !! It's all part of the scam Sad

There is no need to attend a church gathering in order to read one old book. That can be done at home in privacy and donations can be made to more efficient charitable organizations who don't waste a lot of it on pomp and pageantry as well as useless investments that deprive the needy of desperately needed funds !!

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #142 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:39pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:22pm:

Like I said you can't show me in the bible where it says to stash tithes away in a bank because the bible says the complete opposite !! Would you like me to repeat the verses for the 1000th time ?

And sticking it in a bank is hoarding it idiot !! Even your own bible says it is. What good does sticking it in a bank help desperately needy people who need it NOW !! The churches stuck it in the bank vault instead of passing it on to desperate needy people. In the end the greedy churches lost it all and the needy still went without. Your attitude towards the needy is no different than your attitude towards the underclass on this forum Sad

People are getting sick of your hypocrisy and double standards. Angry

nail,

You don't know your bible.

Look up Jesus parable of the talents.

And the bible also DOES counsel us to be provident [provide] for the future.

Read the Old Testament story of Joseph, and Pharaohs dream about the 7 kine [cows]. Genesis 41:17

And what was Joseph's interpretation of the dream, and advice ?

The dream represented the coming of 7 full years of harvest, and 7 lean years of harvest.

Joseph advised Pharaoh to build granaries to hold [to 'hoard'] the grain from the 7 full years, to feed the people in the 7 lean years.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104726 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #143 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:43pm Hi Yadda, what do you think of all the devil worship in the church?
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Reply #144 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:45pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

That's complete bullshit. People go to churches because the church institutions have brain washed people at a young age to attend the church in order to indoctrinate them later on in life to donate money to them when they are of a working age !! It's all part of the scam Sad

There is no need to attend a church gathering in order to read one old book. That can be done at home in privacy and donations can be made to more efficient charitable organizations who don't waste a lot of it on pomp and pageantry as well as useless investments that deprive the needy of desperately needed funds !!

From time to time i make donations to what i consider worthy causes, to help children, or to spread the [God's] word.

I don't make those donations because i am brain washed.

I make those donations because i choose, and hope to, help people less well off than myself, when i can.

You are correct though, i don't need to attend a church to do that.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #145 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:43pm:

Hi Yadda,
what do you think of all the devil worship in the church?

bobby,

I didn't watch the YT yet.

But imo, where men are, the devil can be also.

And, even in churches, imo.

God is a spirit, and the devil is a spirit being too.

If men are too clever to believe in things which they cannot see [i.e. spirits], that is up to them.

If i step outside on a sunny day and look up, i can not see all of the stars in the sky.

But that does not mean, that i believe that there are no stars in the sky, above my head.

I know that there are stars in the sky above my head, even if i cannot see them with my eyes!

p.s.

If any of you are ever troubled by SATAN or by demons, call out to God.

Demons, won't stay, where God is! Wink

But then, God has to come, to 'be', in your presence.

And why would he come [to help you], if you are a person who hates God ? Tongue

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104726 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #146 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:03pm Dear Yadda, this one will only take you 3 minutes to watch.
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Reply #147 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:10pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:39pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:22pm:

Like I said you can't show me in the bible where it says to stash tithes away in a bank because the bible says the complete opposite !! Would you like me to repeat the verses for the 1000th time ?

And sticking it in a bank is hoarding it idiot !! Even your own bible says it is. What good does sticking it in a bank help desperately needy people who need it NOW !! The churches stuck it in the bank vault instead of passing it on to desperate needy people. In the end the greedy churches lost it all and the needy still went without. Your attitude towards the needy is no different than your attitude towards the underclass on this forum Sad

People are getting sick of your hypocrisy and double standards. Angry

nail,

You don't know your bible.

Look up Jesus parable of the talents.

And the bible also DOES counsel us to be provident [provide] for the future.

Read the Old Testament story of Joseph, and Pharaohs dream about the 7 kine [cows]. Genesis 41:17

And what was Joseph's interpretation of the dream, and advice ?

The dream represented the coming of 7 full years of harvest, and 7 lean years of harvest.

Joseph advised Pharaoh to build granaries to hold [to 'hoard'] the grain from the 7 full years, to feed the people in the 7 lean years.

And where does it say in the bible that churches should take money and stick it in a bank vault or buy property instead of passing it onto the needy ? And why would I donate money to a church that sticks it in a bank vault for years on end instead of passing it directly onto the needy ?

here's what the bible says about wealth. You obviously ignore these in favour of cherry picking something that ignores the true spirit of giving !!

Quote:

Matthew 6:19

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Luke 14:33

Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 6:24

No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Money.

Matthew 19:21

Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Hebrews 13:5

Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."

Phil 2:3

Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.

Acts 2:44-45

All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #148 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:14pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:45pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

That's complete bullshit. People go to churches because the church institutions have brain washed people at a young age to attend the church in order to indoctrinate them later on in life to donate money to them when they are of a working age !! It's all part of the scam Sad

There is no need to attend a church gathering in order to read one old book. That can be done at home in privacy and donations can be made to more efficient charitable organizations who don't waste a lot of it on pomp and pageantry as well as useless investments that deprive the needy of desperately needed funds !!

From time to time i make donations to what i consider worthy causes, to help children, or to spread the [God's] word.

I don't make those donations because i am brain washed.

I make those donations because i choose, and hope to, help people less well off than myself, when i can.

You are correct though, i don't need to attend a church to do that.

Why would anyone donate to a church that sticks it in a bank vault for years on end or buys property ??

Is that you expect when you donate money to a charity who's job it is to help out the needy ?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104726 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #149 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:29pm Hear hear Nail, notice Yadda took a quick exit instead of watching that Catholic devil video? Bible bashers don't like to be reminded of the truth.
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