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Reply #240 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:22pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

Religious people give more to charity because they give to their church, but the church doesn't pass it all on to help the poor.

"Direct donations to churches and to religious charities make up nearly half of all charitable giving by US households. It is questionable, however, whether this figure alone is evidence that church donations help the needy of society at large rather than simply support the religious organization itself. "

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/guest-post-are-the-faithful-r...

Wow. It's amazing how they managed to spin that one as some kind of negative.

And you too pansi. Did you notice that it does not say that it all goes to the church? It included religious charities, like the ones that directly support children in need overseas. These often have lower overheads than independent charities because of all the volunteer work.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #241 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:25pm Big Dave wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:18pm: Would a bunch of christians sterilize people and kill of the sick? Yes, I believe they did. I do believe that there's a hint of the "No True Scotsman fallacy" in your post.
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Reply #242 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:29pm

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

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That's why these charities should be treated as a business so their books are open for scrutiny.

TNL, what businesses have their books open for you to scrutinise?

Wouldn't you like to know where your money goes when you donated it to them ?? ? Isn't that why you'd donate to a charity in the first place because you thought that most of it was going to the needy !!

And if most of it went into a Lehman Brothers bank account then you wouldn't be too keen on donating to an organization that supposedly represents children that are about to starve to death would you !!

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #243 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:33pm

muso wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Would a bunch of christians sterilize people and kill of the sick?

Yes, I believe they did. I do believe that there's a hint of the "No True Scotsman fallacy" in your post.

Hitler was a Christian.
I could find many links to prove it but what is the point when
some have already made up their mind that he wasn't?

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Reply #244 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:38pm

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Wouldn't you like to know where your money goes when you donated it to them ?? ?

I actually have donated to one of those foreign charities, for a couple of years. They get audited. I was writing letters back and forth to the child that my money was supporting (which seemed far more of a burden than handing over the money). Believe it or not, charities are open to far more scrutiny than private businesses. The information is there if you can be bothered looking.

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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #245 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:38pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:04pm: Again do you want a picture of Hitler as Times man of the year as well?
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #246 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:41pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

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That's why these charities should be treated as a business so their books are open for scrutiny.

TNL, what businesses have their books open for you to scrutinise?

Wouldn't you like to know where your money goes when you donated it to them ?? ? Isn't that why you'd donate to a charity in the first place because you thought that most of it was going to the needy !!

And if most of it went into a Lehman Brothers bank account then you wouldn't be too keen on donating to an organization that supposedly represents children that are about to starve to death would you !!

yet you dont support ANY charities yourself. so frankly, why do you care since you obviously dont care about starving children. How many overseas kids do you support? NONE.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #247 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:42pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

Religious people give more to charity because they give to their church, but the church doesn't pass it all on to help the poor.

"Direct donations to churches and to religious charities make up nearly half of all charitable giving by US households. It is questionable, however, whether this figure alone is evidence that church donations help the needy of society at large rather than simply support the religious organization itself. "

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/guest-post-are-the-faithful-r...

a secondary point and one that atheist-nail often brings up is this rather bizarre concept that a private organisation like a church is somehow 'not permitted' to spend any of its own money on itself like for staff or buildings. it seems a rather odd and silly things to say, but somehow... it still gets said.

why would anyone donate to a so called charity that spends most of the money on itself and on useless assets such as property and stashing the donations away in a bank vault ? What good is that to a sick and starving child ?

That's why these charities should be treated as a business so their books are open for scrutiny.

I run a business and my books are open to no one but the ATO. My church however has books open for anyone to see. So once again, you are wrong.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104696 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #248 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:46pm gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:04pm: Again do you want a picture of Hitler as Times man of the year as well? A video will do
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104696 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #249 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:47pm Another one.
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Reply #250 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:57pm

Hitler rewrote christianity in Germany and called it positive christianity whereby the jews were taken completely out of it's writings. Jesus ceased to be a jew. That's what he believed. He wasn't a christian at all. There's plenty of evidence that suggests I'm right. How about we agree to sisagree because I couldn't give a shite what you think.

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Reply #251 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 8:11pm

Big Dave wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:57pm:

Hitler rewrote christianity in Germany and called it positive christianity whereby the jews were taken completely out of it's writings. Jesus ceased to be a jew. That's what he believed. He wasn't a christian at all. There's plenty of evidence that suggests I'm right. How about we agree to sisagree because I couldn't give a shite what you think.

You want a world based on belief rather than fact - ok -

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #252 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 9:02pm

Nothing like a good old bit of internet forum historical revisionism.

Hitler was Catholic. Hitler believed in god. Hitler was a Christian.

What did the belt buckle of every german soldier say?
Gott Mit Uns - or - God With Us

While there were those in the party who were all into changing the whole Christmas thing back to some form of pagan Germanic thing, that was more Himmler's baby - not Hitlers.

Don't believe all the sh!t you read on the net.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104696 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #253 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 9:27pm Hi Life - it only goes to prove that misguided Christians can be a menace in the same way as anyone else. I have met some very nice Christians but I wouldn't want to delve too deeply into their beliefs as it would probably antagonise them.
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #254 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 9:36pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

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That's why these charities should be treated as a business so their books are open for scrutiny.

TNL, what businesses have their books open for you to scrutinise?

Wouldn't you like to know where your money goes when you donated it to them ?? ? Isn't that why you'd donate to a charity in the first place because you thought that most of it was going to the needy !!

And if most of it went into a Lehman Brothers bank account then you wouldn't be too keen on donating to an organization that supposedly represents children that are about to starve to death would you !!

yet you dont support ANY charities yourself. so frankly, why do you care since you obviously dont care about starving children. How many overseas kids do you support? NONE.

And how many overseas kids were NOT being helped whilst the money was stashed away in Lehman brother's bank earning interest ?

Just answer the question that I asked you in the previous post and stop trying to use a red herring to get out of answering it.

You are a waste of space on this forum.

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