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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #300 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:45pm

Big Dave wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

[quote author=Big_Dave link=1357305685/284#284 date=1357519576]I don't understand you Lastnail. You write this-----and like I said the definition of a Christian at the start of this thread applies to practicing Christians !! Then you go on about Hitler being a christian when he ordered the deaths of millions of people. How was he a practising christian??????

How were any of the xtians in the crusades xtians?

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The Muslim armies murdered children and women also during the crusades. That was what medieval times were like. Modern Christianity moved on from that. Those same ideas had no place in Christianity in the 1930's.

They never had any place but every bow and then a religious freak goes mad and does things like that in the name of the religion. Westboro baptists are going to do something (if they havent already) imo.

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Reply #301 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:57pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

crap

aetheist SAY they use leviticus to say gays are evil.
but they dont.

the message in most christian churches would be based on the life of christ. not on leveticus.

please show me where christ ever mentioned leveticus.

If the church no longer uses Leviticus, and Jesus didn't have it in for gays, why does the church have it in for gays? On who's authority? if they are not using the word of God.

Not accepting two jokers and a cocker spaniel as indistinguishable from mum and dad is not exactly 'having it in for gays'.
You don't have to be a Christian to think that two blokes playing ma 'n da is a farce. Or do you really, really think that it is no different from a father and a mother?

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Reply #302 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:05pm

Big Dave wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:13am:

now first let me say , whilst i like christianity , i am not a christian per se.

but i would suspect that about 1 in 1000 christians take the bible literally.

thats 1 in 1000 that interpret it in the way that nail, bobby, pansi and spot interpret it.

apart from a few mental nutjobs like david karesh in weaco, NO christians groups would interpret any of this stuff in any sort of literal way.

also re the arguement about hitler.
what crap.
imagine we had a thread
"what are tasmanians like as people" and i posted 20 posts on the evil done by martin bryant.
would that not seem silly/insane to you.

how could anyone with 1/2 a brain say hitler was a christian. if he was i doubt he made it through the pearly gates Cheesy

then that makes them hypocrites because their own bible tells them to murder others for various different reasons !!

all these whack job quotes that the aetheists keep coming up with. NONE and i do mean NONE of those passages would EVER be read in a christian church in australia.

jesus isnt responsible for the old testment and he isnt responsible for the mental problems of the people who wrote the bible many many decades after his death.

and christains try to follow the example of christ , not this rubbish. just toss out the obviously crap verses and read the
"flavour' of what jesus was saying.

thats what 99.999999999999 % of christians do.

ou dont seriously think any of them read leviticus do you Cheesy

Yeah they use leviticus to say gays are evil

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That's what it's all about hey Borgy. Because gay people can't stomach the fact the the big religions see homosexuality is an abomination. It's behind the whole gay marriage thing. Gays can legally do all the things that marriage entails but not in a church. It's all about changing religion. It's about going after the things that push people against homosexuality. Just say it.

I dont know what you are talking about there but whenever an xtian is asked to show where in the bible it says gays are bad they go to leviticus.

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Reply #303 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:11pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:13am:

now first let me say , whilst i like christianity , i am not a christian per se.

but i would suspect that about 1 in 1000 christians take the bible literally.

thats 1 in 1000 that interpret it in the way that nail, bobby, pansi and spot interpret it.

apart from a few mental nutjobs like david karesh in weaco, NO christians groups would interpret any of this stuff in any sort of literal way.

also re the arguement about hitler.
what crap.
imagine we had a thread
"what are tasmanians like as people" and i posted 20 posts on the evil done by martin bryant.
would that not seem silly/insane to you.

how could anyone with 1/2 a brain say hitler was a christian. if he was i doubt he made it through the pearly gates Cheesy

then that makes them hypocrites because their own bible tells them to murder others for various different reasons !!

all these whack job quotes that the aetheists keep coming up with. NONE and i do mean NONE of those passages would EVER be read in a christian church in australia.

jesus isnt responsible for the old testment and he isnt responsible for the mental problems of the people who wrote the bible many many decades after his death.

and christains try to follow the example of christ , not this rubbish. just toss out the obviously crap verses and read the
"flavour' of what jesus was saying.

thats what 99.999999999999 % of christians do.

ou dont seriously think any of them read leviticus do you Cheesy

Yeah they use leviticus to say gays are evil

SOB

That's what it's all about hey Borgy. Because gay people can't stomach the fact the the big religions see homosexuality is an abomination. It's behind the whole gay marriage thing. Gays can legally do all the things that marriage entails but not in a church. It's all about changing religion. It's about going after the things that push people against homosexuality. Just say it.

I dont know what you are talking about there but whenever an xtian is asked to show where in the bible it says gays are bad they go to leviticus.

SOB

so?

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #304 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:18pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

crap

aetheist SAY they use leviticus to say gays are evil.
but they dont.

the message in most christian churches would be based on the life of christ. not on leveticus.

please show me where christ ever mentioned leveticus.

If the church no longer uses Leviticus, and Jesus didn't have it in for gays, why does the church have it in for gays? On who's authority? if they are not using the word of God.

I think you've got it totally arse about (pardon the pun)
I have never heard a church leader talk about gays in a derogatory way. I have never read anywhere where Jesus mentioned homosexuality.

The church is like a big friendly Labrador, tied up in the backyard, hurting no one (except pedo priests who need to be weeded out) but apart from that abomination the church has nothing to say on homosexuality. Anyway, like I was saying, a big friendly Labrador, that these dog hating, dog abusing gays keep going and taunting, annoying, poking, prodding, screaming at, whipping etc etc etc. And then when the lab let's out the tiniest little bark, the gays go running off demanding this viscous creature needs to be put down.

I am thinking either gays are paranoid or they have a very weak view of themselves that they feel they need to do this to establish legitimacy.????

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #306 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

Lev 20:13

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If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them

Maybe old leveticus meant lie as in tell a fib.

All this trouble over nothing.
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Reply #307 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:33pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

Lev 20:13

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If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them

Maybe old leveticus meant lie as in tell a fib.

All this trouble over nothing.
Cheesy

You might be onto something - it's the 2000 year old way of saying bros before hoes. Everyone lies to women to get them in the sack, that's understandable, but lying to your bros is unforgivable.

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Reply #308 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:39pm

Soren wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:57pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

crap

aetheist SAY they use leviticus to say gays are evil.
but they dont.

the message in most christian churches would be based on the life of christ. not on leveticus.

please show me where christ ever mentioned leveticus.

If the church no longer uses Leviticus, and Jesus didn't have it in for gays, why does the church have it in for gays? On who's authority? if they are not using the word of God.

Not accepting two jokers and a cocker spaniel as indistinguishable from mum and dad is not exactly 'having it in for gays'.
You don't have to be a Christian to think that two blokes playing ma 'n da is a farce. Or do you really, really think that it is no different from a father and a mother?

That explains why you have it in for gays.

Why do Christians say homosexuality is a sin if they don't use the breathed word of God as a guide? Who told them it's a sin?

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Reply #309 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:42pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:57pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

crap

aetheist SAY they use leviticus to say gays are evil.
but they dont.

the message in most christian churches would be based on the life of christ. not on leveticus.

please show me where christ ever mentioned leveticus.

If the church no longer uses Leviticus, and Jesus didn't have it in for gays, why does the church have it in for gays? On who's authority? if they are not using the word of God.

Not accepting two jokers and a cocker spaniel as indistinguishable from mum and dad is not exactly 'having it in for gays'.
You don't have to be a Christian to think that two blokes playing ma 'n da is a farce. Or do you really, really think that it is no different from a father and a mother?

That explains why you have it in for gays.

Why do Christians say homosexuality is a sin if they don't use the breathed word of God as a guide? Who told them it's a sin?

Christianity, and all major religions are aligned with natural law. Thus, they're all less-than-enthused about homosexuality. Why the bugger would anyone need to be told that men are meant to rut with women?

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #310 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 2:01pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

So - Sprint & Baron - two declared believers -
what do you think of the 2012 Mass on the video?

At 2.27 it says "Lucifer who will never be defeated, Jesus is your Son......"
Or that was about the interpretation I read.

Maybe he refers to sin. Maybe he is saying we cannot defeat sin, and our sin gave birth to Jesus ?

Just a guess

Hi Sprint,
Nice try but don't you feel a bit like an apologist for them?
All that devil stuff puts me off the church.

I'm not too keen on the heirachy of some churches.
It's not what baron or myself experienced. It's not what Jesus spoke of.
Churches have much good to speak of.

The funniest part of this is that you guys actually believe the translation provided by the (obviously anti-Catholic) religious nutter, who posted the vid....

It's like the fictitious Talmud 'quotes' that Wharfy keeps posting...

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Reply #311 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 2:02pm

... wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:13am:

now first let me say , whilst i like christianity , i am not a christian per se.

but i would suspect that about 1 in 1000 christians take the bible literally.

thats 1 in 1000 that interpret it in the way that nail, bobby, pansi and spot interpret it.

apart from a few mental nutjobs like david karesh in weaco, NO christians groups would interpret any of this stuff in any sort of literal way.

also re the arguement about hitler.
what crap.
imagine we had a thread
"what are tasmanians like as people" and i posted 20 posts on the evil done by martin bryant.
would that not seem silly/insane to you.

how could anyone with 1/2 a brain say hitler was a christian. if he was i doubt he made it through the pearly gates Cheesy

then that makes them hypocrites because their own bible tells them to murder others for various different reasons !!

all these whack job quotes that the aetheists keep coming up with. NONE and i do mean NONE of those passages would EVER be read in a christian church in australia.

jesus isnt responsible for the old testment and he isnt responsible for the mental problems of the people who wrote the bible many many decades after his death.

and christains try to follow the example of christ , not this rubbish. just toss out the obviously crap verses and read the
"flavour' of what jesus was saying.

thats what 99.999999999999 % of christians do.

ou dont seriously think any of them read leviticus do you Cheesy

Yeah they use leviticus to say gays are evil

SOB

That's what it's all about hey Borgy. Because gay people can't stomach the fact the the big religions see homosexuality is an abomination. It's behind the whole gay marriage thing. Gays can legally do all the things that marriage entails but not in a church. It's all about changing religion. It's about going after the things that push people against homosexuality. Just say it.

I dont know what you are talking about there but whenever an xtian is asked to show where in the bible it says gays are bad they go to leviticus.

SOB

so?

Read the thread - i was answering a question

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Reply #313 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:39pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 11:13am:

now first let me say , whilst i like christianity , i am not a christian per se.

but i would suspect that about 1 in 1000 christians take the bible literally.

thats 1 in 1000 that interpret it in the way that nail, bobby, pansi and spot interpret it.

apart from a few mental nutjobs like david karesh in weaco, NO christians groups would interpret any of this stuff in any sort of literal way.

also re the arguement about hitler.
what crap.
imagine we had a thread
"what are tasmanians like as people" and i posted 20 posts on the evil done by martin bryant.
would that not seem silly/insane to you.

how could anyone with 1/2 a brain say hitler was a christian. if he was i doubt he made it through the pearly gates Cheesy

then that makes them hypocrites because their own bible tells them to murder others for various different reasons !!

all these whack job quotes that the aetheists keep coming up with. NONE and i do mean NONE of those passages would EVER be read in a christian church in australia.

jesus isnt responsible for the old testment and he isnt responsible for the mental problems of the people who wrote the bible many many decades after his death.

and christains try to follow the example of christ , not this rubbish. just toss out the obviously crap verses and read the
"flavour' of what jesus was saying.

thats what 99.999999999999 % of christians do.

ou dont seriously think any of them read leviticus do you Cheesy

Yeah they use leviticus to say gays are evil

SOB

That's what it's all about hey Borgy. Because gay people can't stomach the fact the the big religions see homosexuality is an abomination. It's behind the whole gay marriage thing. Gays can legally do all the things that marriage entails but not in a church. It's all about changing religion. It's about going after the things that push people against homosexuality. Just say it.

I dont know what you are talking about there but whenever an xtian is asked to show where in the bible it says gays are bad they go to leviticus.

SOB

They also go to Romans and a variety of other places. You could always try being informed as an antidote to your consistent error.

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Reply #314 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:42pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

Lev 20:13

Quote:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them

Maybe old leveticus meant lie as in tell a fib.

All this trouble over nothing.
Cheesy

grammatically that wouldn't make any sense !!

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