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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30088 Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #315 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:43pm gold_medal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:39pm: They also go to Romans and a variety of other places. You could always try being informed as an antidote to your consistent error. so you are willing to kill people just because some old book says to ?
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #316 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:44pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

So - Sprint & Baron - two declared believers -
what do you think of the 2012 Mass on the video?

At 2.27 it says "Lucifer who will never be defeated, Jesus is your Son......"
Or that was about the interpretation I read.

Maybe he refers to sin. Maybe he is saying we cannot defeat sin, and our sin gave birth to Jesus ?

Just a guess

Hi Sprint,
Nice try but don't you feel a bit like an apologist for them?
All that devil stuff puts me off the church.

I'm not too keen on the heirachy of some churches.
It's not what baron or myself experienced. It's not what Jesus spoke of.
Churches have much good to speak of.

The funniest part of this is that you guys actually believe the translation provided by the (obviously anti-Catholic) religious nutter, who posted the vid....

It's like the fictitious Talmud 'quotes' that Wharfy keeps posting...

fools get sucked in all the time. booby - a typical fool - doesnt use his brain. Like the Catholic church is going to openly have devil worship like that? it doesnt even pass the test of credibility.

but atheist-nail and booby fall for those kinds of pranks all the time because they dont look for facts - they look for something - anything - that agrees withtheir point of view and accept it as truth. morons like that, without a critical reasoning bone in their body will fall for everything.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #317 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:49pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

So - Sprint & Baron - two declared believers -
what do you think of the 2012 Mass on the video?

At 2.27 it says "Lucifer who will never be defeated, Jesus is your Son......"
Or that was about the interpretation I read.

Maybe he refers to sin. Maybe he is saying we cannot defeat sin, and our sin gave birth to Jesus ?

Just a guess

Hi Sprint,
Nice try but don't you feel a bit like an apologist for them?
All that devil stuff puts me off the church.

I'm not too keen on the heirachy of some churches.
It's not what baron or myself experienced. It's not what Jesus spoke of.
Churches have much good to speak of.

The funniest part of this is that you guys actually believe the translation provided by the (obviously anti-Catholic) religious nutter, who posted the vid....

It's like the fictitious Talmud 'quotes' that Wharfy keeps posting...

fools get sucked in all the time. booby - a typical fool - doesnt use his brain. Like the Catholic church is going to openly have devil worship like that? it doesnt even pass the test of credibility.

but atheist-nail and booby fall for those kinds of pranks all the time because they dont look for facts - they look for something - anything - that agrees withtheir point of view and accept it as truth. morons like that, without a critical reasoning bone in their body will fall for everything.

so how do you explain 600 years of the Catholic Inquisition of torturing people to death or do you just ignore the evidence like you do with everything else that you don't agree with ?

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Reply #318 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:53pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

I'll stand corrected in regard to my view that Hitler was a Christian.

He most certainly believed in God, but I have extreme doubts that he considered himself "Christian" in any form of the traditional sense - i.e. that he accepted the Bible and Jesus story.

Of course he did - thats what xtian means isnt it? Thats the ONLY thing all the xtians claim to have in common. catholics, mormons, jws, pentacostals, adventists, westboro baptists, etc . . . .

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Reply #319 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:56pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:42pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

Lev 20:13

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If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them

Maybe old leveticus meant lie as in tell a fib.

All this trouble over nothing.
Cheesy

grammatically that wouldn't make any sense !!

Which is why theres so much "interpretation" going on. Its a very badly written book.

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Reply #320 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:58pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

I'll stand corrected in regard to my view that Hitler was a Christian.

He most certainly believed in God, but I have extreme doubts that he considered himself "Christian" in any form of the traditional sense - i.e. that he accepted the Bible and Jesus story.

Of course he did - thats what xtian means isnt it? Thats the ONLY thing all the xtians claim to have in common. catholics, mormons, jws, pentacostals, adventists, westboro baptists, etc . . . .

SOB

It's funny watching you defend Muslims Borgy but you don't seem to mind picking the peanuts out of Christianity.

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Reply #321 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:00pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

I'll stand corrected in regard to my view that Hitler was a Christian.

He most certainly believed in God, but I have extreme doubts that he considered himself "Christian" in any form of the traditional sense - i.e. that he accepted the Bible and Jesus story.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

–Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #322 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:06pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:49pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

So - Sprint & Baron - two declared believers -
what do you think of the 2012 Mass on the video?

At 2.27 it says "Lucifer who will never be defeated, Jesus is your Son......"
Or that was about the interpretation I read.

Maybe he refers to sin. Maybe he is saying we cannot defeat sin, and our sin gave birth to Jesus ?

Just a guess

Hi Sprint,
Nice try but don't you feel a bit like an apologist for them?
All that devil stuff puts me off the church.

I'm not too keen on the heirachy of some churches.
It's not what baron or myself experienced. It's not what Jesus spoke of.
Churches have much good to speak of.

The funniest part of this is that you guys actually believe the translation provided by the (obviously anti-Catholic) religious nutter, who posted the vid....

It's like the fictitious Talmud 'quotes' that Wharfy keeps posting...

fools get sucked in all the time. booby - a typical fool - doesnt use his brain. Like the Catholic church is going to openly have devil worship like that? it doesnt even pass the test of credibility.

but atheist-nail and booby fall for those kinds of pranks all the time because they dont look for facts - they look for something - anything - that agrees withtheir point of view and accept it as truth. morons like that, without a critical reasoning bone in their body will fall for everything.

so how do you explain 600 years of the Catholic Inquisition of torturing people to death or do you just ignore the evidence like you do with everything else that you don't agree with ?

Why does he need to 'explain it'.....It happened, we all know that...it STILL doesn't have anything to do with devil worship....And even 'admitting' the devil exists means you must accept the opposite idea, that God exists...

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Reply #323 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:26pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:49pm:

so how do you explain 600 years of the Catholic Inquisition of torturing people to death or do you just ignore the evidence like you do with everything else that you don't agree with ?

Why does he need to 'explain it'.....It happened, we all know that...it STILL doesn't have anything to do with devil worship....And even 'admitting' the devil exists means you must accept the opposite idea, that God exists...

because he talks as though I have made these things up and they are of no consequence !!

Everyone is talking about how bad Hitler was and how is it possible that he is a Christian but Christians like to ignore a totally worse event perpetrated by a Christian institution for at least 600 years !!

go figure !!

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Reply #324 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:28pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:49pm:

so how do you explain 600 years of the Catholic Inquisition of torturing people to death or do you just ignore the evidence like you do with everything else that you don't agree with ?

Why does he need to 'explain it'.....It happened, we all know that...it STILL doesn't have anything to do with devil worship....And even 'admitting' the devil exists means you must accept the opposite idea, that God exists...

because he talks as though I have made these things up and they are of no consequence !!

Everyone is talking about how bad Hitler was and how is it possible that he is a Christian but Christians like to ignore a totally worse event perpetrated by a Christian institution for at least 600 years !!

go figure !!

They're probably 'ignoring' it because it has no relevance to the topic.

But if ya wanna bring that into it, how about that lovely atheist fella by the name of Joseph Stalin, who's body count dwarfs that of the inquisition and hitler combined? maybe we should just ignore that too?

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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #325 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:30pm Who's ignoring anything. Religions, tribes, pagans, families and individuals have all done horrible things. The aborigines used to eat one another. Hitler still wasn't a christian though.
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Reply #326 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:32pm

Big Dave wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

Hitler still wasn't a christian though.

He was, actually.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

–Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

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Reply #327 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

Hitler still wasn't a christian though.

He was, actually.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

–Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

I'll take your "he was actually" and raise you a "nuh-uh"

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"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.

If I was a christian, I'd be claiming him in the name of our lord and saviour JC - few people have achieved half as much as Adolf.

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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #328 - Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:36pm What do you do Greggory when most of the German people are christian and you want them to put you into power? You kiss their ass. The Nazi's were in the process of fazing out religion in Germany when the war ended. Look , if he was a christian he was a bloody bad one!!!!!
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