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Reply #30 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:15am

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

Spot do you remember making silly excuses in another thread recently for why religious people donate far more to charity than atheists?

I don't consider donating to a church to be charity because very little of the money collected actually goes to the needy and the rest goes to their upkeep, bank deposits, share portfolio and property deals Sad

Churches are very inefficient charitable organizations Sad

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #31 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:17am

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:19am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2013 at 11:21pm:

Does anyone know ??

Here's my definition of a Christian,

A Christian is an arrogant fool which turns up at the same place and at the same time every Sunday paying an even bigger fool to read them fairy tales out of an old book written some 2000 years ago by an even bigger fool or fools !!

Sound familiar ? I think we all know somebody that fits that description here. Hey longloser do you copy Grin

An interesting observation of Christianity is, though, the concept of charity is still alive and well. It is Christian organisations feeding and clothing the homeless and poor. Can you name any secular organisation (government handouts do not count) that does such things?

It is very interesting that while atheist left-leaning intellectuals claim to be the representation of 'equality' and 'egalitarianism', and paint Christians as 'stupid' and 'evil' fools, you do not see any atheist organisations clothing and feeding the homeless and poor.

There is something in that the average Joe should think about.

What a load of crap. There arent any "atheist organisations" because it is just the lack of belief in a deity.

SOB

Still repeating this drivel. Roll Eyes

Well, you see if these "atheists" actually gave a poo about feeding the poor, they could start a "feeding the poor" organisation, rather than an "atheist organisation". But they don't. Angry

Because for them, preening and puffing is better than action.

It is not the job of Athiests or Agnostics to feed the poor, although I know many do, however, it IS the job of Christians to feed the poor. They have declared publicly that they will follow in the teachings of Christ by becoming Christians.

Churches are obliged to feed the poor, all others are not.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #32 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:17am

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Still repeating this drivel. Roll Eyes

Well, you see if these "atheists" actually gave a poo about feeding the poor, they could start a "feeding the poor" organisation, rather than an "atheist organisation". But they don't. Angry

Because for them, preening and puffing is better than action.

they do when they pay taxes just like anyone else Wink

foreign aid and social welfare comes from taxes Wink

Foreign aid doesn't help the bums living under bridges and in cars. Christian organisations do.

and the rest of the welfare payments ?

churches like to take credit for all of it whilst doing the least !!

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Reply #33 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:20am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:17am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:19am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2013 at 11:21pm:

Does anyone know ??

Here's my definition of a Christian,

A Christian is an arrogant fool which turns up at the same place and at the same time every Sunday paying an even bigger fool to read them fairy tales out of an old book written some 2000 years ago by an even bigger fool or fools !!

Sound familiar ? I think we all know somebody that fits that description here. Hey longloser do you copy Grin

An interesting observation of Christianity is, though, the concept of charity is still alive and well. It is Christian organisations feeding and clothing the homeless and poor. Can you name any secular organisation (government handouts do not count) that does such things?

It is very interesting that while atheist left-leaning intellectuals claim to be the representation of 'equality' and 'egalitarianism', and paint Christians as 'stupid' and 'evil' fools, you do not see any atheist organisations clothing and feeding the homeless and poor.

There is something in that the average Joe should think about.

What a load of crap. There arent any "atheist organisations" because it is just the lack of belief in a deity.

SOB

Still repeating this drivel. Roll Eyes

Well, you see if these "atheists" actually gave a poo about feeding the poor, they could start a "feeding the poor" organisation, rather than an "atheist organisation". But they don't. Angry

Because for them, preening and puffing is better than action.

It is not the job of Athiests or Agnostics to feed the poor, although I know many do, however, it IS the job of Christians to feed the poor. They have declared publicly that they will follow in the teachings of Christ by becoming Christians.

Churches are obliged to feed the poor, all others are not.

Right. So what IS the job of atheists or agnostics? I mean, besides puffing and preening and sneering at those less trendy? They do tend to expend a lot of wind blathering about 'social justice' and 'equality' but I just don't see much in the way of action. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places.

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Reply #35 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:22am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:17am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Still repeating this drivel. Roll Eyes

Well, you see if these "atheists" actually gave a poo about feeding the poor, they could start a "feeding the poor" organisation, rather than an "atheist organisation". But they don't. Angry

Because for them, preening and puffing is better than action.

they do when they pay taxes just like anyone else Wink

foreign aid and social welfare comes from taxes Wink

Foreign aid doesn't help the bums living under bridges and in cars. Christian organisations do.

and the rest of the welfare payments ?

churches like to take credit for all of it whilst doing the least !!

Do they? can't say I've ever heard of a church taking credit for centrelink payments. Link?

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Reply #36 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:23am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

Right. So what IS the job of etheists or agnostics? I mean, besides puffing and preening and sneering at those less trendy?

paying tax just like anyone else does so welfare can be doled out to the needy.

Right. Well I pay tax, but I can't seem to work out why puffing and preening and sneering at those less trendy is integral to the job?

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Reply #37 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:27am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:15am:

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

Spot do you remember making silly excuses in another thread recently for why religious people donate far more to charity than atheists?

I don't consider donating to a church to be charity because very little of the money collected actually goes to the needy and the rest goes to their upkeep, bank deposits, share portfolio and property deals Sad

Churches are very inefficient charitable organizations Sad

Donate to Médecins Sans Frontières’, they don't have a CEO and you can see their annual report. Most of the workers don't get paid, unlike church charities.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #38 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:28am

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:17am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Still repeating this drivel. Roll Eyes

Well, you see if these "atheists" actually gave a poo about feeding the poor, they could start a "feeding the poor" organisation, rather than an "atheist organisation". But they don't. Angry

Because for them, preening and puffing is better than action.

they do when they pay taxes just like anyone else Wink

foreign aid and social welfare comes from taxes Wink

Foreign aid doesn't help the bums living under bridges and in cars. Christian organisations do.

and the rest of the welfare payments ?

churches like to take credit for all of it whilst doing the least !!

Do they? can't say I've ever heard of a church taking credit for centrelink payments. Link?

because people don't think of centerlink payments as charity when they really are and that's why the churches are seen as the front line for charity whilst the real charity is contributed by ALL tax payers not just the ones that pay some fancy church to put their collections into fixed term bank deposits or buy property.

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Reply #39 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:30am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:28am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:17am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Still repeating this drivel. Roll Eyes

Well, you see if these "atheists" actually gave a poo about feeding the poor, they could start a "feeding the poor" organisation, rather than an "atheist organisation". But they don't. Angry

Because for them, preening and puffing is better than action.

they do when they pay taxes just like anyone else Wink

foreign aid and social welfare comes from taxes Wink

Foreign aid doesn't help the bums living under bridges and in cars. Christian organisations do.

and the rest of the welfare payments ?

churches like to take credit for all of it whilst doing the least !!

Do they? can't say I've ever heard of a church taking credit for centrelink payments. Link?

because people don't think of centerlink payments as charity when they really are and that's why the churches are seen as the front line for charity whilst the real charity is contributed by ALL tax payers not just the ones that pay some fancy church to put their collections into fixed term bank deposits or buy property.

It was only recently that government usurped the role of charity, and it wasn't for benevolent reasons.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 104696 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #40 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:35am Nail Quote: real charity is contributed by ALL tax payers Hear hear Nail, we are forced to provide charity & don't need to contribute extra to the church. In fact we contribute far more than the 10% tithe by way of tax.
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #41 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:38am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:59am:

You have it in for Christianity though don't you?
Every time on a subject which includes Christianity you criticize it and take the opposing view for the sake of it.

The view I have is that Christians are good people, they are fine to believe what they like.

If you don't then fine but why the need to criticize and attack them for their view?

so you think longloser is a good person just because he believes the rubbish written in some old book and turns up at the same place each Sunday Grin

As open minded as ever I see.
Have you ever considered yourself an angry man?

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Reply #42 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:40am

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:30am:

It was only recently that government usurped the role of charity, and it wasn't for benevolent reasons.

and what charity was the catholic church offering during 600 years of the Inquisition ? They were stealing money from people after torturing them to death and certainly not giving any !! A fine charitable history that is Sad

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Reply #43 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:42am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:59am:

You have it in for Christianity though don't you?
Every time on a subject which includes Christianity you criticize it and take the opposing view for the sake of it.

The view I have is that Christians are good people, they are fine to believe what they like.

If you don't then fine but why the need to criticize and attack them for their view?

so you think longloser is a good person just because he believes the rubbish written in some old book and turns up at the same place each Sunday Grin

As open minded as ever I see.
Have you ever considered yourself an angry man?

check out what longloser writes on this forum and tell me you don't believe him worthy of the title of caring and generous Sad

and you're not much better either Sad

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Reply #44 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:43am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

... wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 10:30am:

It was only recently that government usurped the role of charity, and it wasn't for benevolent reasons.

and what charity was the catholic church offering during 600 years of the Inquisition ? They were stealing money from people after torturing them to death and certainly not giving any !! A fine charitable history that is Sad

Dunno, but that was the catholic church 600 years ago. This topic is about all christian denominations today. Do you have anything a bit more....relevant to bring to the table?

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