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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #345 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:35pm  
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:24pm:
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:15pm:
Robert,
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Correct.  Just as identifying as a Catholic doesn't make one a mass murderer.


Robert,
Would you say the same about someone who identifies as being a Nazi?


Yep.  There's only one thing that makes one a mass murderer - killing heaps of people.


Hi Robert,
so you are not concerned about the rise of Catholics & you
wouldn't be concerned about the rise once more of Nazis?

My claim is that they are both failed doctrines which led to the death & torture of millions of people.
We accept Catholics but not Nazis - go figure?



the RISE of catholics?  Oh boy - you're only a millennium out of date...

and I'd actually welcome a rise in nazis - it'd certainyl help to separate the fact from the fiction. The whole nazi image is too "cartoon super-villain-ish" to be real, and besides, it couldn't be worse than the differnt brand of fascism we live under anyway.



You'd welcome the Nazis - until they put you a concentration camp & gassed you to death.

Maybe you're a Nazi!
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Reply #346 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:39pm  
> Religion sure does whip a people up into supporting warmongers. That's probably was what Bush Jr was doing. Warmongers aren't religious. They're assholes.

Abrahamic religion has now moved into the new phase of Corporate Transhumanism, Big Dave. If you or anyone else is not aware of this, see:

Transhumanist FAQ: http://extropy.org/faq.htm
Wealthy, influential and determined proponents: http://www.2045.com/
Multiple organizations: http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/works/transhumanistorganizations.htm
Scientology: http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,74533,74538
Mormons: http://transfigurism.org/
Movie stars: http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/treder20101111
Dalai Lama: http://www.2045.com/dialogue/29819.html
International org'ns: http://humanityplus.org/get-involved-2/chapters-of-humanity/
Universities: http://singularity.org/
Target students: http://hplusmagazine.com/2011/04/18/how-to-start-a-student-transhumanist-group/
Overcome "human limitations": http://www.nickbostrom.com/ethics/values.html
by turning human beings into bioelectronic cyborgs: http://lifeboat.com/ex/transhumanist.technologies

Much of the extreme violence and inhuman brutality in modern movies are overt celebrations of transhumanist ideals arising from the physical supremacy and ruthless violence of which technologically-enhanced humans are presumed capable. This is the ultimate goal of Abrahamic religion - Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #347 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:46pm  
52midnight,
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Religion sure does whip a people up into supporting warmongers.
That's probably was what Bush Jr was doing. Warmongers aren't religious. They're assholes.



Finding "evil" gives warmongers permission to use evil techniques to fight the evil.

The War on Terror gave us permission to use torture just like the Inquisition.
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Reply #348 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:48pm  
gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:39pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 1:05pm:
Big Dave wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 12:19pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 12:02pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 11:51am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 11:36am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 11:13am:
now first let me say , whilst i like christianity , i am not a christian per se.

but i would suspect that about 1 in 1000 christians take the bible literally.

thats 1 in 1000 that interpret it in the way that nail, bobby, pansi and spot interpret it.

apart from a few mental nutjobs like david karesh in weaco, NO christians groups would interpret any of this stuff in any sort of literal way.


also re the arguement about hitler.
what crap.
imagine we had a thread
"what are tasmanians like as people" and i posted 20 posts on the evil done by martin bryant.
would that not seem silly/insane to you.

how could anyone with 1/2 a brain say hitler was a christian. if he was i doubt he made it through the pearly gates Cheesy Cheesy


then that makes them hypocrites because their own bible tells them to murder others for various different reasons !!



all these whack job quotes that the aetheists keep coming up with. NONE and i do mean NONE of those passages would EVER be read in a christian church in australia.

jesus isnt responsible for the old testment and he isnt responsible for the mental problems of the people who wrote the bible many many decades after his death.

and christains try to follow the example of christ , not this rubbish. just toss out the obviously crap verses and read the
"flavour' of what jesus was saying.

thats what 99.999999999999 % of christians do.

ou dont seriously think any of them read leviticus do you Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Yeah they use leviticus to say gays are evil

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That's what it's all about hey Borgy. Because gay people can't stomach the fact the the big religions see homosexuality is an abomination. It's behind the whole gay marriage thing. Gays can legally do all the things that marriage entails  but not in a church. It's all about changing religion. It's about going after the things that push people against homosexuality. Just say it.


I dont know what you are talking about there but whenever an xtian is asked to show where in the bible it says gays are bad they go to leviticus.

SOB


They also go to Romans and a variety of other places. You could always try being informed as an antidote to your consistent error.


Seriously you need to let up a bit on the grog - you arent making any6 sense.

What consistent error BTW?

SOB
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Reply #349 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:50pm  
Big Dave wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:58pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:53pm:
Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 3:28pm:
I'll stand corrected in regard to my view that Hitler was a Christian.

He most certainly believed in God, but I have extreme doubts that he considered himself "Christian" in any form of the traditional sense - i.e. that he accepted the Bible and Jesus story.


Of course he did - thats what xtian means isnt it? Thats the ONLY thing all the xtians claim to have in common. catholics, mormons, jws, pentacostals, adventists, westboro baptists, etc . . . .

SOB
It's funny watching you defend Muslims Borgy but you don't seem to mind picking the peanuts out of Christianity.


Awww whats the matter disagree with something?

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #350 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:56pm  
... wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:31pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:24pm:
... wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:15pm:
Robert,
Quote:
Correct.  Just as identifying as a Catholic doesn't make one a mass murderer.


Robert,
Would you say the same about someone who identifies as being a Nazi?


Yep.  There's only one thing that makes one a mass murderer - killing heaps of people.


Hi Robert,
so you are not concerned about the rise of Catholics & you
wouldn't be concerned about the rise once more of Nazis?

My claim is that they are both failed doctrines which led to the death & torture of millions of people.
We accept Catholics but not Nazis - go figure?



the RISE of catholics?  Oh boy - you're only a millennium out of date...

and I'd actually welcome a rise in nazis - it'd certainyl help to separate the fact from the fiction. The whole nazi image is too "cartoon super-villain-ish" to be real, and besides, it couldn't be worse than the differnt brand of fascism we live under anyway.


You must be very young. Havent seen any wars either. The nazis were patriots.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #351 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:57pm  
It's certainly interesting 52midnight. It see it in simple terms because that's about all I can do. I believe there is an elite class in each country. They keep their countries  rigged for their benefit, but give enough away to keep their people happy and country prospering. When another elite group in the world is a threat to their prosperity, safety etc they go to war. Religion, the media , nationalism etc etc are used as a tool to make sure people follow their team . But I believe religion in the west isn't a motivation to go to war but a way to get people to go.
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Reply #352 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:02pm  
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 1:39pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 12:57pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 12:40pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 12:16pm:
crap 

aetheist SAY they use leviticus to say gays are evil.
but they dont. 

the message in most christian churches would be based on the life of christ.  not on leveticus.

please show me where christ ever mentioned leveticus. 



If the church no longer uses Leviticus, and Jesus didn't have it in for gays, why does the church have it in for gays? On who's authority? if they are not using the word of God.



Not accepting two jokers and a cocker spaniel as indistinguishable from mum and dad is not exactly 'having it in for gays'.
You don't have to be a Christian to think that two blokes playing ma 'n da is a farce.  Or do you really, really think that it is no different from a father and a mother?





That explains why you have it in for gays.

Why do Christians say homosexuality is a sin if they don't use the breathed word of God as a guide? Who told them it's a sin?



Do you actually need god to tell you that sticking a bloke up yer arse is a bad idea?
What else do you need spelled out?


I can just hear you, numpties, "Oh yeah?? Where does it say in the bible that you shouldn't put your food up yer arse? Or to burn your children or jump off a cliff, eh? Show us where it says that??"
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #353 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:06pm  
Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:02pm:
Gizmo,
you replied after only 8 minutes of me posting that video.

You haven't watched the video - so don't comment on it.
You need to watch it to get an education.
These things are real - they really happened!

forgiven

namaste


I didn't NEED to watch it, I already know what the Inquisition was about.
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Reply #354 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:09pm  
Here's the truth.

Quote:
THE TRUE FACE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION --
ROTTEN SPIRITUAL FRUIT FROM THE ABYSS OF HELL

few people know specific details of this murderous campaign that lasted over 1,200 years, killing 75 million people. But, once you understand the unprecedented horrors of the Inquisition, you will never look at Roman Catholicism the same way again.





Warning - not suitable for children or those faint of heart.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1676.cfm
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Reply #355 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:11pm  
> It's certainly interesting 52midnight.

At the risk of exceeding your (quite justified) limits of credibility, and assuming that you're prepared to read a lengthy, flawed diatribe that nontheless presents much worthy of contemplation, could I recommend:

http://52midnight.com/archive/War_In_Heaven.pdf
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Reply #356 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:17pm  
52midnight wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:11pm:
> It's certainly interesting 52midnight.

At the risk of exceeding your (quite justified) limits of credibility, and assuming that you're prepared to read a lengthy, flawed diatribe that nontheless presents much worthy of contemplation, could I recommend:

http://52midnight.com/archive/War_In_Heaven.pdf

Don't over complicate things. Your brain will blow-up. Nothing is complicated in life.
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Reply #357 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:18pm  
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:56pm:
... wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:31pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:24pm:
... wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:15pm:
Robert,
Quote:
Correct.  Just as identifying as a Catholic doesn't make one a mass murderer.


Robert,
Would you say the same about someone who identifies as being a Nazi?


Yep.  There's only one thing that makes one a mass murderer - killing heaps of people.


Hi Robert,
so you are not concerned about the rise of Catholics & you
wouldn't be concerned about the rise once more of Nazis?

My claim is that they are both failed doctrines which led to the death & torture of millions of people.
We accept Catholics but not Nazis - go figure?



the RISE of catholics?  Oh boy - you're only a millennium out of date...

and I'd actually welcome a rise in nazis - it'd certainyl help to separate the fact from the fiction. The whole nazi image is too "cartoon super-villain-ish" to be real, and besides, it couldn't be worse than the differnt brand of fascism we live under anyway.


You must be very young. Havent seen any wars either. The nazis were patriots.

SOB


And nazis being patriotic is relevant....in what way exactly?
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Reply #358 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:30pm  
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:49pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:44pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 2:01pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:54am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:31pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:27pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:20pm:
So - Sprint & Baron - two declared believers -
what do you think of the 2012 Mass on the video?






At 2.27 it says "Lucifer who will never be defeated, Jesus is your Son......"
Or that was about the interpretation I read.

Maybe he refers to sin. Maybe he is saying we cannot defeat sin, and our sin gave birth to Jesus ?

Just a guess



Hi Sprint,
Nice try  but don't you feel a bit like an apologist for them?
All that devil stuff puts me off the church.


I'm not too keen on the heirachy of some churches.
It's not what baron or myself experienced. It's not what Jesus spoke of.
Churches have much good to speak of.


The funniest part of this is that you guys actually believe the translation provided by the (obviously anti-Catholic) religious nutter, who posted the vid....

It's like the fictitious Talmud 'quotes' that Wharfy keeps posting...


fools get sucked in all the time. booby - a typical fool - doesnt use his brain. Like the Catholic church is going to openly have devil worship like that? it doesnt even pass the test of credibility.

but atheist-nail and booby fall for those kinds of pranks all the time because they dont look for facts - they look for something - anything - that agrees withtheir point of view and accept it as truth. morons like that, without a critical reasoning bone in their body will fall for everything.


so how do you explain 600 years of the Catholic Inquisition of torturing people to death or do you just ignore the evidence like you do with everything else that you don't agree with ?


well I dont pretend I can speak and translate latin like you bozos do and declare things that are ridiculous. dont you ever get sick of being wrong?

and for th 87643rd time. I'm not catholic so I have nothing to defend nor do I really care what you say about catholics. after all, if it is like any other topic you enter, your comments will be wrong, very wrong, out of context or ludicroua.
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Reply #359 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:37pm  
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:48pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:39pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 1:05pm:
Big Dave wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 12:19pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 12:02pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 11:51am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 11:36am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 11:13am:
now first let me say , whilst i like christianity , i am not a christian per se.

but i would suspect that about 1 in 1000 christians take the bible literally.

thats 1 in 1000 that interpret it in the way that nail, bobby, pansi and spot interpret it.

apart from a few mental nutjobs like david karesh in weaco, NO christians groups would interpret any of this stuff in any sort of literal way.


also re the arguement about hitler.
what crap.
imagine we had a thread
"what are tasmanians like as people" and i posted 20 posts on the evil done by martin bryant.
would that not seem silly/insane to you.

how could anyone with 1/2 a brain say hitler was a christian. if he was i doubt he made it through the pearly gates Cheesy Cheesy


then that makes them hypocrites because their own bible tells them to murder others for various different reasons !!



all these whack job quotes that the aetheists keep coming up with. NONE and i do mean NONE of those passages would EVER be read in a christian church in australia.

jesus isnt responsible for the old testment and he isnt responsible for the mental problems of the people who wrote the bible many many decades after his death.

and christains try to follow the example of christ , not this rubbish. just toss out the obviously crap verses and read the
"flavour' of what jesus was saying.

thats what 99.999999999999 % of christians do.

ou dont seriously think any of them read leviticus do you Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Yeah they use leviticus to say gays are evil

SOB


That's what it's all about hey Borgy. Because gay people can't stomach the fact the the big religions see homosexuality is an abomination. It's behind the whole gay marriage thing. Gays can legally do all the things that marriage entails  but not in a church. It's all about changing religion. It's about going after the things that push people against homosexuality. Just say it.


I dont know what you are talking about there but whenever an xtian is asked to show where in the bible it says gays are bad they go to leviticus.

SOB


They also go to Romans and a variety of other places. You could always try being informed as an antidote to your consistent error.


Seriously you need to let up a bit on the grog - you arent making any6 sense.

What consistent error BTW?

SOB


the problem with explaining your 'consistent error' is that it would require you to have a level of intelligence to comprehend the answer that you clearly do not possess.  You are not just a moron - you are the person that other morons call a moron.

and it aint just my opinion... it is pretty  much everyone's.
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