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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #510 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 9:46pm

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2013 at 11:29pm:

Hi Nail,
My definition -

They believe in the devil:

Stand by for incensed Satanists marching through Sydney with placards calling for the beheading of all who disrespect and insult Beelzebub.

Don't laugh Soren,
Christians have created their own world full of witches & demons.
For them it's very real - just watch that movie the Exorcist.

Catholic priests still perform exorcisms with Vatican approval.

http://vimeo.com/39624431

I just think they're all crazy.

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Reply #511 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 10:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

[b]What matters more to me is not the numbers of dead but that religion has been used as an excuse to kill innocent people.

So if innocents are murdered without any religious excuse - what do you do with those cases? Robespierre, Stalin, Mao, Pot exterminated an awful lot of religious people because they thought, like you, that religion causes wars and discord and so should be eliminated.

What excuse do you call that? Is that a better excuse than using religion as an excuse for being a monster?

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Reply #512 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 10:37pm

bobbythebat1 wrote Today at 7:04pm:
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What matters more to me is not the numbers of dead but that religion has been used as an excuse to kill innocent people.

Soren,
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So if innocents are murdered without any religious excuse - what do you do with those cases? Robespierre, Stalin, Mao, Pot exterminated an awful lot of religious people because they thought, like you, that religion causes wars and discord and so should be eliminated.

What excuse do you call that? Is that a better excuse than using religion as an excuse for being a monster?

It's not right to kill anyone for their religious or any other beliefs.

By the way - this page has been unable to show it's posts for 35 minutes.
I had to go to Soren's account & see his last 5 posts to view this one.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26512 Australia	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #513 - Jan 10^th, 2013 at 4:51am This thread is about what it means to be an xtian these days - not muslims. SOB
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Reply #514 - Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:50am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

... wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

Another website claimed up to 75 million.

I think we can safely disregard that figure, don't you?

75 million sees too large but we will never know unless someone
goes through many websites to check.

Maybe we'll set that as a task for Longweekend ? - the Inquisition Denier.

oh dear... a child of the internet speaks! 'go thru websites'??? are you aware that REAL RESEARCHERS dont use the internet and google as their source of primary data?

idiot

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Reply #515 - Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:52am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican29.htm#The%20Witchhunts

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Victor Hugo estimated the number of the victims of the Inquisition at five million, it is said, and certainly the number was much greater than that if we take into account, as we should, the wives and husbands, the parents and children, the brothers and sisters, and other relatives of those tortured and slaughtered by the priestly institution. To these millions should properly be added the others killed in the wars precipitated in the attempt to fasten the Inquisition upon the people of various countries, as the Netherlands and Germany.

What matters more to me is not the numbers of dead but that religion has
been used as an excuse to kill innocent people.
This is why it is a doctrine to be discarded in the same way we have discarded Nazism.

So - to Longweekend & all the other religious nutcases on this forum -
stick that in your pipe & smoke it.

Victor Hugo was a fiction author. what makes you think his opinion carries any weight at all?

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Reply #516 - Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:52am

... wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

certainly the number was much greater than that if we take into account, as we should, the wives and husbands, the parents and children, the brothers and sisters, and other relatives of those tortured and slaughtered by the priestly institution.

Why on earth "should" we do that???? Why not count the victims dog as well?

ouldnt that also make Stalins murder toll not a mere 30million but closer to 300million+?

what a stupid idea booby - even for you.

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Reply #517 - Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:56am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

... wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

Another website claimed up to 75 million.

I think we can safely disregard that figure, don't you?

75 million sees too large but we will never know unless someone
goes through many websites to check.

Maybe we'll set that as a task for Longweekend ? - the Inquisition Denier.

oh dear... a child of the internet speaks! 'go thru websites'??? are you aware that REAL RESEARCHERS dont use the internet and google as their source of primary data?

idiot

What is a REAL RESEARCHER longy?

You mean a research company?

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Reply #518 - Jan 10^th, 2013 at 7:08am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:56am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

... wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

Another website claimed up to 75 million.

I think we can safely disregard that figure, don't you?

75 million sees too large but we will never know unless someone
goes through many websites to check.

Maybe we'll set that as a task for Longweekend ? - the Inquisition Denier.

oh dear... a child of the internet speaks! 'go thru websites'??? are you aware that REAL RESEARCHERS dont use the internet and google as their source of primary data?

idiot

What is a REAL RESEARCHER longy?

You mean a research company?

using boobys idiotic claim of 75 million dead in the inquisition, a real researcher would skip the interente entirely since it wasnt there at the time. actual documents, history recorded at the time would be where you would start.

but given that the population of europe scarely even reached that level the 75million claim can be dispensed with immediately.

REAL RESEARCH goes to the source data not some dodgy website that has figures you like.

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #519 - Jan 10^th, 2013 at 7:10am pay no attention to longweekend...all deaths and bloodshed throughout history is his fault...
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #520 - Jan 10^th, 2013 at 7:20am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:29pm:

So. 34 pages so far and nobody has told us what it means to be an xtian these days.

SOB

i imagine for a lot of them , it means finding peace and happiness through surrendering their own small ego's to a greater power. very similar to the concept of AA.

if constantly bickering with people on the internet is not leading you to a feeling of peace and happiness, it might be worth a shot.

as coprorate whitey (in a rare moment of lucidity Wink

said)
the sermon on the mount might be a good place to start.

i would imagine christianity is about having a one on one relationship with christ, not a one on one relationship with some power freak bishop of the inquisition Wink

for bobby et al to be constantly going on about witches and devil worship, whilst at the same time insisting that the bible is the WORD.
well i cant even find the word witch in the bible (not that ive looked).

i agree totally with gold medal re using the internet as a research tool.
you would fail a grade 7 assignment for using even a very good source like wikipedia.

you google witch + devil + evil christian and you'll get as much lunacy as you can handle. a rhesus monkey could publish those results.

read the sermon on the mount, find a nice mountaintop to meditate on and mull it over for a few hours. Wink

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26512 Australia	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #521 - Jan 10^th, 2013 at 7:51am No thanks i dont need an imaginary friend to get me through the day. You must know its imaginary - seriously SOB
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Reply #522 - Jan 10^th, 2013 at 8:06am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 7:51am:

No thanks i dont need an imaginary friend to get me through the day.

You must know its imaginary - seriously

SOB

nothing ventured nothing gained.

i was in nepal for a month and was struck by how happy the people were. i thought buddhism was some weird cult, but like all great spiritual thinkers , the buddha was an incredibly wise man . i have read quite a bit of his teachings and they have helped me enormously.
surprisingly, much of what the buddha said, (and what confuscius said ) fits in very closely with what christ said.
i would encourage people to look upon these chaps as teachers more than gods.

if you wanted to get into IT you would definitely fast track your progress by studying the inspired teachings of bill gates and steve jobs.

if you are interested in spirituality (and despite what anyone may tell you, we are INTENSELY spiritual beings) then the teaching of christ and the buddha are superior to the teachings of the daily horoscope.

has it not occured to you borg, that some christians are intensely happy and fulfilled and even if they are believing in a fiary king, might it not be worth having some of what theyre having Wink

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Reply #523 - Jan 10^th, 2013 at 8:14am

See you go along very well then you have to try to make me like you. Doesnt work like that. there are plenty of happy atheists in the world and plenty of unhappy religious ppl. If you are happy pretending to believe in imaginary beings then good on you but dont expect others to do it because you say so.

Also - perhaps some ppl are "intensely spiritual" whatever that means but others are not. It is NOT a species thing.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #524 - Jan 10^th, 2013 at 8:15am If people with to be Christian (which I am) then what harm is it to anyone? Christians believe in some things, if others don't then fine. But why the need to bash Christianity and show all this fury towards people for believing in something?
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