Australian Politics Forum - Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote.

...

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 23673
WA
Gender: male

Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote.
Reply #105 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:41pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:34pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:19pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

How do you reconcile 'uni was easy for boomers and hard for ' us with then accepting the opposite is true and criticising that as well???

I don't need to reconcile them, because it's a statement you've fabricated.
Uni probably was harder for boomers, since they didn't have phony degrees, but paying for it was smacking easy. It was either free, or would get you a good job upon graduation, enabling you to pay it off quickly.

But of course, the boomers saw an opportunity to profit from education - voila! the proliferation of fluffy poo degrees like "womyns studies' to part the young with cash they hadn't even earned yet. Didn't do bugger all for their hopes in life, but it did make tens of thousands of $$$ for those running the show. I'm sure you know which generation those running the show are from.

I thought parents were supposed to HELP their kids, not sell them into debt slavery?

now you just sound like a whiny little kid. uni was easy???? we did it without ANY finaincal help including HECS plus earned them in a time of high unemployment.

You are soft. You are weak. if you were stupid enough to do a dumb degree then you were just plain stupid. but you got support to do it.

you really are a soft generation. no wonder you still live at home.

Probably not easy for you, since you can't dam read. look at the highlighted bit, bonehead.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:34pm:

if you were stupid enough to do a dumb degree then you were just plain stupid. but you got support to do it.

I wasn't stupid enough to, which is porbably why I've been able to pay off my house. But MILLIONS of my generation weren't so lucky. How were they to know that the voice of authority that actively encouraged them to go to uni at all costs, only had their own profit in mind?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:34pm:

no wonder you still live at home.

But I OWN my home, remember? Cheesy

Back to top

In the fullness of time...

IP Logged

...

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 23673
WA
Gender: male

Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote.
Reply #106 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:42pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day.

Yes - TOO easy. If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees. Which generation profits from this? Do I really need to say it out loud?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you dont have your own superannuation???

yes I do. Will it still be there when I retire? not a chance. Angry

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing??

Do I want it for nothing? Not at all, but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had. Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation.

We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed. By whom? I think you know the answer to that.

do you want to give some credible backing to that statment? given that you paid off your house by 31, it might be a bit difficult to mount an argument that wealth has been denied you.

I didn't say it's been denied ME, I say it's been denied to my GENERATION. I could have sworn I'd seen you make numerous references to PRINCIPLES on here before.

As for backing, you didn't have to contend with a fraction of the bureaucratic hoops we have to jump through, all of which require $$$, and these agencies that benefit from these dues are controlled by B___ B_____ (fill in the blanks).

Want an entry level job in data entry?

Make sure you've done the requisite pHD and got certification in this, that and the other.
Make sure you've registered and paid your dues to the pointless governing body.
Make sure you've rehearsed answers to the irrelevant, inane form questions the Ditz at the HR firm they've outsourced recuirtment to is going to ask you.
Make sure you've got a federal police clearance, done a full D& A screen and medical, completed the mandatory sensitivity training, and maybe - MAYBE - then you may be granted the privilege of doing a 3 month unpaid trial.

And all YOU had to do was rock up and show the boss you were keen for work. But theres no profit to be had in that, is there?

poor little diddums... have to fill in some forms? have to actually go to job interviews??? how tough is that? we had to do all of that during periods of persistent 10%+ unemployment. Are you really that uninformed that you think we all walked into jobs? the boomers you love to hate built the companies that give your lot jobs now - providing you can gt out of bed to do it.

your whines are a pitiful ode to your generation's weakness - the inability to work hard. Whether it is easier or harder than the boomers isnt the issue and never was. the issue is whether or not you have the right stuff to make society BETTER. so far, the evidence is that you dont really want to do much of anything beyond surf the waves, surf the net or surf the channels. anything but work.

No you didn't, fkhead. Not even a fraction.

Back to top

In the fullness of time...

IP Logged

gold_medal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 3897
Gender: male

Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote.
Reply #107 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:56pm

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day.

Yes - TOO easy. If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees. Which generation profits from this? Do I really need to say it out loud?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you dont have your own superannuation???

yes I do. Will it still be there when I retire? not a chance. Angry

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing??

Do I want it for nothing? Not at all, but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had. Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation.

We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed. By whom? I think you know the answer to that.

do you want to give some credible backing to that statment? given that you paid off your house by 31, it might be a bit difficult to mount an argument that wealth has been denied you.

I didn't say it's been denied ME, I say it's been denied to my GENERATION. I could have sworn I'd seen you make numerous references to PRINCIPLES on here before.

As for backing, you didn't have to contend with a fraction of the bureaucratic hoops we have to jump through, all of which require $$$, and these agencies that benefit from these dues are controlled by B___ B_____ (fill in the blanks).

Want an entry level job in data entry?

Make sure you've done the requisite pHD and got certification in this, that and the other.
Make sure you've registered and paid your dues to the pointless governing body.
Make sure you've rehearsed answers to the irrelevant, inane form questions the Ditz at the HR firm they've outsourced recuirtment to is going to ask you.
Make sure you've got a federal police clearance, done a full D& A screen and medical, completed the mandatory sensitivity training, and maybe - MAYBE - then you may be granted the privilege of doing a 3 month unpaid trial.

And all YOU had to do was rock up and show the boss you were keen for work. But theres no profit to be had in that, is there?

poor little diddums... have to fill in some forms? have to actually go to job interviews??? how tough is that? we had to do all of that during periods of persistent 10%+ unemployment. Are you really that uninformed that you think we all walked into jobs? the boomers you love to hate built the companies that give your lot jobs now - providing you can gt out of bed to do it.

your whines are a pitiful ode to your generation's weakness - the inability to work hard. Whether it is easier or harder than the boomers isnt the issue and never was. the issue is whether or not you have the right stuff to make society BETTER. so far, the evidence is that you dont really want to do much of anything beyond surf the waves, surf the net or surf the channels. anything but work.

No you didn't, fkhead. Not even a fraction.

nice with the language although I grant that your generation is very good with the F word - as are you. IN fact, they are so good with that that some cant speak without it. And their written work is peerless - compared to a gorilla. Despite your higher levels of education you produce less, spend more, complain more and consume more than any generation before you. You complain about forms and facebook speed while your predecessors went without meals so their kids could eat and then pretend that you have it tough. Your wastefulness is a testament to yoru laziness. Your idea of poverty is having an Iphone 4. Ours was having to eat at a soup kitchen 3 nights a week and NEVER having new clothes.

you are lazy and really quite pititful and as a generation you are probably the first that will lead socitey backwards and mainly because you are too lazy to even get our of bed.

Back to top

IP Logged

...

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 23673
WA
Gender: male

Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote.
Reply #108 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:03pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Despite your higher levels of education you produce less, spend more, complain more and consume more than any generation before you.

yep, which neatly segues into what I've been saying about exploitation of young people by the education cartel. And thats only the beginning - a lifetime of consumption, consumption! CONSUMPTION!!! doesn't come cheap. So they toil away to buy the latest poo they don't need, which was probably invented by one of their peers but a boomer owns the rights, so get's the spoils. Whats' not to love about thta?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

you are lazy and really quite pititful and as a generation you are probably the first that will lead socitey backwards

Funny you should say that. It was in one of the links I posted earlier.

Quote:

A generation of young people will be 25 per cent less well off than their parents were when they reach the age of 65, research reveals.

They are the ‘baby bust’ generation who face a long list of crippling financial problems from sky-high house prices to poor pensions, it claims.
In fact, they face a far bleaker future on every front than the ‘baby boomer’ generation before them, according to the report.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047665/Todays-young-end-25-worse-boomer...

All your whinges are more or less true, it's just pretty dam dumb of you to not draw a link between the outcome and the cause.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:09pm by ... »

In the fullness of time...

IP Logged

gold_medal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 3897
Gender: male

Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote.
Reply #109 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:08pm

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Despite your higher levels of education you produce less, spend more, complain more and consume more than any generation before you.

yep, which neatly segues into what I've been saying about exploitation of young people by the education cartel.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

you are lazy and really quite pititful and as a generation you are probably the first that will lead socitey backwards

Funny you should say that. It was in one of the links I posted earlier.

Quote:

A generation of young people will be 25 per cent less well off than their parents were when they reach the age of 65, research reveals.

They are the ‘baby bust’ generation who face a long list of crippling financial problems from sky-high house prices to poor pensions, it claims.
In fact, they face a far bleaker future on every front than the ‘baby boomer’ generation before them, according to the report.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047665/Todays-young-end-25-worse-boomer...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/10/article-2047665-0E5217F800000578-121_6...

All your whinges are more or less true, it's just pretty dam dumb of you to not draw a link between the outcome and the cause.

it is a pretty dishonest graphic. the claim of no student loan is true - because there were no such things. you paid for your fees up front or you didnt go.

it was so much easier in the 70s to go to uni. You starved for 3 years and wore the same clothes the entire time. and you didnt have a car - you caught a bus because there was no student allowances and no HECS. you worked and you worked damn hard.

poor little Gen Y. they have to *insert sob* earn a living on higher wages than we had on the backs of degrees they dont even have to pay for up front. so hard. and the poor little darlings all have cars, designer clothes and holidays paif for by govt largesse.

oh the horror!!!

you really are a parody of hard work.

Back to top

IP Logged

gold_medal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 3897
Gender: male

Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote.
Reply #110 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:11pm

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Despite your higher levels of education you produce less, spend more, complain more and consume more than any generation before you.

yep, which neatly segues into what I've been saying about exploitation of young people by the education cartel.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

you are lazy and really quite pititful and as a generation you are probably the first that will lead socitey backwards

Funny you should say that. It was in one of the links I posted earlier.

Quote:

A generation of young people will be 25 per cent less well off than their parents were when they reach the age of 65, research reveals.

They are the ‘baby bust’ generation who face a long list of crippling financial problems from sky-high house prices to poor pensions, it claims.
In fact, they face a far bleaker future on every front than the ‘baby boomer’ generation before them, according to the report.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047665/Todays-young-end-25-worse-boomer...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/10/article-2047665-0E5217F800000578-121_6...

All your whinges are more or less true, it's just pretty dam dumb of you to not draw a link between the outcome and the cause.

an education 'cartel'?? are you aware that the people who primarily run universties are post baby-boomers??? nope,. didnt think so.

but keep on... play the blam gme a bit more. Show us your whiny self.

pitiful... a generation of weak an pitiful people - or at least how you describe them

Back to top

IP Logged

...

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 23673
WA
Gender: male

Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote.
Reply #111 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:16pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

poor little Gen Y. they have to *insert sob* earn a living on higher wages than we had on the backs of degrees they dont even have to pay for up front. so hard. and the poor little darlings all have cars, designer clothes and holidays paif for by govt largesse.

Speaking of dishonest - is it dishonest to ignore inflation and cost of living increases when comapring the 2? Single income households were the norm back then weren't they? Surely that tells you something.

Again, it merely segues into what I've been saying about slaving away for poo we don't need, at the behest of the corporate bigwigs who belong to.....which generation?

You support everything I say, you're just too hard- headed to see it.

Back to top

In the fullness of time...

IP Logged

... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote. Reply #112 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:18pm gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:11pm: pitiful... a generation of weak an pitiful people - or at least how you describe them A product of the environment they grew up in. An Environment created in YOUR generations image. Own it.
Back to top	In the fullness of time... IP Logged

Andrei.Hicks

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 23818
Carlsbad, CA
Gender: male

Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote.
Reply #113 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:43pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:49am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality.

Oh I agree, it's not precise enough. But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers. Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.

of you want to adm,it that every generation has it strengths and wekaness then go for it - as it is generally true. But if you want to blame one particular generation (not your own of course) then you will lose credibility and a great deal of it.

Quote:

'I am part of the most selfish generation in history and we should be ashamed of our legacy,' says Jeremy Paxman

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JEREMY-PAXMAN-Baby-Boomers-selfi...

Quote:

“The Baby Boomers are the most self-centered, self-seeking, self-interested, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing generation in American history,”

http://www.esquire.com/features/worst-generation-0400

all that boomer-built prosperity must be really hard to live with.

Prosperity build off the back of a debt bubble which the current generation are now having to pick up.

And selfish?
Which generation are now turning up to house auctions and bidding to buy an investment properity against young families trying to get on the housing market (further jacking up the prices).

Baby boomers?
Selfish, greedy and incredibly arrogant.

Back to top

Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination - Oscar Wilde

IP Logged

corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote. Reply #114 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:05pm Public funding should be made available to assist us with the cost of spying on public right wing figures who are habitual welfare bashers...
Back to top	World Wide Working Class Struggle IP Logged

BigOl64

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 14438
Townsville QLD
Gender: male

Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote.
Reply #115 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:14pm

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:18pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

pitiful... a generation of weak an pitiful people - or at least how you describe them

A product of the environment they grew up in.Â An Environment created in YOUR generations image.

Own it.Â

From a Gen X perspective, boomers and Gen Y are as bad as each other.

Back to top

IP Logged

corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote. Reply #116 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:17pm Welfare bashing is being monitored and anyone doing it publicly will be held accountable, spin all you like...
Back to top	World Wide Working Class Struggle IP Logged

corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote. Reply #117 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:20pm welfare bashers cant spin enough bullsh1t to avoid the scrutiny we are placing them under...we are investigating them for crimes against humanity...
Back to top	World Wide Working Class Struggle IP Logged

...

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 23673
WA
Gender: male

Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote.
Reply #118 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:21pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:18pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

pitiful... a generation of weak an pitiful people - or at least how you describe them

A product of the environment they grew up in.Â An Environment created in YOUR generations image.

Own it.Â

From a Gen X perspective, boomers and Gen Y are as bad as each other.

Well I'm on the cusp of gen X/Y. I can chop and change which gen I identify as, as the situation requires.

Boomers are only worse because they actually have the power to make a difference. gen Y's turn to bugger things up will come in due course.

Back to top

In the fullness of time...

IP Logged

corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Yes That is right- The Unemployed Vote. Reply #119 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:23pm crimes against humanity...any right wing think tank campaigning against social security is being investigated...
Back to top	World Wide Working Class Struggle IP Logged