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Reply #165 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:23pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

apart from the amateurish attempt at pop-pscyhology which is pitiful, the rest is just plain wrong.

Pardon me if I find your rebuttal less-than-convincing.

well you are the curious individual who seems to think that we live in a left-wing society.

Socially, there can be no argument our society is left-wing. When even so-called "conservatives" don't dare challenge the lefts most patently false tenets, I can't believe anyone could keep a straight face when they say the left hasn't dictated the dominant ideology. When was the last time you heard a high-profile person say that multiculturalism hasn't been an unfettered good, or that women aren't equal to or greater than men in every respect?

Economically, perhaps not.

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The most pathetic thing about this entire sideshow is that you clearly have a major problem with YOUR parents. At least have the decency to deal with it yourself other than try and blame an entire generation on your deficient (in your eyes) upbringing.

And here you were lambasting ME for pop-psychology just a few minutes ago. You already struck out twice trying that on, I thought you would have learnt not to try it again. Oh well, strike 3 - yerrrrr out.

remember a few pages ago, how i said i was arguing from principle? hmmmm?

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the bulk of your argument has been a transparent and internally contradictory pile of rubbish.

Sure, IF you constantly redefine my argument, as I've caught you doing several times already.

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Reply #166 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:33pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

apart from the amateurish attempt at pop-pscyhology which is pitiful, the rest is just plain wrong.

Pardon me if I find your rebuttal less-than-convincing.

well you are the curious individual who seems to think that we live in a left-wing society.

The most pathetic thing about this entire sideshow is that you clearly have a major problem with YOUR parents. At least have the decency to deal with it yourself other than try and blame an entire generation on your deficient (in your eyes) upbringing.

the bulk of your argument has been a transparent and internally contradictory pile of rubbish.

Today's society has changed from the accepted norms of the previous one and the more moral 1950s as a result of left wing ideology.

It was left in its thinking and it was boomers who led it.
So make of that what you will.

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Reply #168 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 7:56pm

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:23pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

apart from the amateurish attempt at pop-pscyhology which is pitiful, the rest is just plain wrong.

Pardon me if I find your rebuttal less-than-convincing.

well you are the curious individual who seems to think that we live in a left-wing society.

Socially, there can be no argument our society is left-wing. When even so-called "conservatives" don't dare challenge the lefts most patently false tenets, I can't believe anyone could keep a straight face when they say the left hasn't dictated the dominant ideology. When was the last time you heard a high-profile person say that multiculturalism hasn't been an unfettered good, or that women aren't equal to or greater than men in every respect?

Economically, perhaps not.

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The most pathetic thing about this entire sideshow is that you clearly have a major problem with YOUR parents. At least have the decency to deal with it yourself other than try and blame an entire generation on your deficient (in your eyes) upbringing.

And here you were lambasting ME for pop-psychology just a few minutes ago. You already struck out twice trying that on, I thought you would have learnt not to try it again. Oh well, strike 3 - yerrrrr out.

remember a few pages ago, how i said i was arguing from principle? hmmmm?

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the bulk of your argument has been a transparent and internally contradictory pile of rubbish.

Sure, IF you constantly redefine my argument, as I've caught you doing several times already.

you lost the plot descibing our society as 'left-wing' that is more daft than most of the rubbish that gets posted here.

and I repeat that it is clear that your motivations for this odd, contradictory and rather embarrasisng rant is not about baby boomers but about a handful of them - probably your parents.

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Reply #169 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 7:57pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

apart from the amateurish attempt at pop-pscyhology which is pitiful, the rest is just plain wrong.

Pardon me if I find your rebuttal less-than-convincing.

well you are the curious individual who seems to think that we live in a left-wing society.

The most pathetic thing about this entire sideshow is that you clearly have a major problem with YOUR parents. At least have the decency to deal with it yourself other than try and blame an entire generation on your deficient (in your eyes) upbringing.

the bulk of your argument has been a transparent and internally contradictory pile of rubbish.

Today's society has changed from the accepted norms of the previous one and the more moral 1950s as a result of left wing ideology.

It was left in its thinking and it was boomers who led it.
So make of that what you will.

the 'moral' 50s were when children were sexually abused and society said it was okay. I wil lpass on calling it a 'moral' generation.

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Reply #170 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:01pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

you lost the plot descibing our society as 'left-wing' that is more daft than most of the rubbish that gets posted here.

and I repeat that it is clear that your motivations for this odd, contradictory and rather embarrasisng rant is not about baby boomers but about a handful of them - probably your parents.

I've posted my explanations for the views i hold. If you think otherwise, you're gonna need to do a bit more than just say "you're wrong" or "it's rubbish" and speculate about my motivations.

For someone who complains about the standard of debate as much as you do, your debating ability sure is weak.

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Reply #171 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:39am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

apart from the amateurish attempt at pop-pscyhology which is pitiful, the rest is just plain wrong.

Pardon me if I find your rebuttal less-than-convincing.

well you are the curious individual who seems to think that we live in a left-wing society.

The most pathetic thing about this entire sideshow is that you clearly have a major problem with YOUR parents. At least have the decency to deal with it yourself other than try and blame an entire generation on your deficient (in your eyes) upbringing.

the bulk of your argument has been a transparent and internally contradictory pile of rubbish.

Today's society has changed from the accepted norms of the previous one and the more moral 1950s as a result of left wing ideology.

It was left in its thinking and it was boomers who led it.
So make of that what you will.

Nope. The boomers were only lil children when the world changed in the 60s.

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Reply #172 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:06am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

apart from the amateurish attempt at pop-pscyhology which is pitiful, the rest is just plain wrong.

Pardon me if I find your rebuttal less-than-convincing.

well you are the curious individual who seems to think that we live in a left-wing society.

The most pathetic thing about this entire sideshow is that you clearly have a major problem with YOUR parents. At least have the decency to deal with it yourself other than try and blame an entire generation on your deficient (in your eyes) upbringing.

the bulk of your argument has been a transparent and internally contradictory pile of rubbish.

Today's society has changed from the accepted norms of the previous one and the more moral 1950s as a result of left wing ideology.

It was left in its thinking and it was boomers who led it.
So make of that what you will.

The Vietnam War heralded much of that change, initiated by neo conservative politics.

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Reply #173 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:41am

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

you lost the plot descibing our society as 'left-wing' that is more daft than most of the rubbish that gets posted here.

and I repeat that it is clear that your motivations for this odd, contradictory and rather embarrasisng rant is not about baby boomers but about a handful of them - probably your parents.

I've posted my explanations for the views i hold. If you think otherwise, you're gonna need to do a bit more than just say "you're wrong" or "it's rubbish" and speculate about my motivations.

For someone who complains about the standard of debate as much as you do, your debating ability sure is weak.

It is hard to debate you because your position shifts liek desert sand. One post the boomers had it easy at uni and you had it hard which was bad and a few posts later the boomers had it HARD at uni and your lot had it easy which was also bad. and then you pain todays society as left-wing which is lunacy.

you simply dont make consistent sense. How can I debate you position when you keep moving it?

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Reply #174 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:58am

The baby boomers had a much easier life going to university than people do now.

There is no doubt on that one.
The costs are much higher nowadays.

My problem is that the generation are now turning up to housing auctions, using their capital to purchase SECOND homes that they aren't even going to live in and beating young couples trying to buy their FIRST home to get on the ladder.

I am tiring of seeing these selfish older generations doing this.

They are a greedy, selfish generation and I will not move from that one.

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Reply #175 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 8:09am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

The baby boomers had a much easier life going to university than people do now.

There is no doubt on that one.
The costs are much higher nowadays.

My problem is that the generation are now turning up to housing auctions, using their capital to purchase SECOND homes that they aren't even going to live in and beating young couples trying to buy their FIRST home to get on the ladder.

I am tiring of seeing these selfish older generations doing this.

They are a greedy, selfish generation and I will not move from that one.

That has been happening as long as I can remember but I have to wonder how you tell if an older couple are looking to live in the house or not?

Many younger people also buy a second or third home etc as an investment and this is where I see the majority of additional activity in the housing market, young high flyers positioning their future.

The baby boomers had a much easier life going to university than people do now.

The first half of the generation probably had it much tougher than today even, the boomers who reached 18 after the early 1970's were the first to get free education, interestingly enough people like Tony Abbott etc.

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Reply #176 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 8:18am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

The baby boomers had a much easier life going to university than people do now.

There is no doubt on that one.
The costs are much higher nowadays.

My problem is that the generation are now turning up to housing auctions, using their capital to purchase SECOND homes that they aren't even going to live in and beating young couples trying to buy their FIRST home to get on the ladder.

I am tiring of seeing these selfish older generations doing this.

They are a greedy, selfish generation and I will not move from that one.

complete crap. as explained to Robert, the baby boomer generation did it without any govt assistance at all. no student payments, no HECS and no help of any kind. you paid up front or you didn't go. How exactly that is easier than today with higher numbers, more courses and govt assistance all the way plus HECS is beyond me.

and before you go on, keep in mind that it is actually NOT the boomer generation buying investment houses. that is the other generations with the extra capital plus Chinese investors.

you missed the target here pretty much.

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Reply #177 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 8:22am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 8:09am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

The baby boomers had a much easier life going to university than people do now.

There is no doubt on that one.
The costs are much higher nowadays.

My problem is that the generation are now turning up to housing auctions, using their capital to purchase SECOND homes that they aren't even going to live in and beating young couples trying to buy their FIRST home to get on the ladder.

I am tiring of seeing these selfish older generations doing this.

They are a greedy, selfish generation and I will not move from that one.

That has been happening as long as I can remember but I have to wonder how you tell if an older couple are looking to live in the house or not?
Many younger people also buy a second or third home etc as an investment and this is where I see the majority of additional activity in the housing market, young high flyers positioning their future.

The first half of the generation probably had it much tougher than today even, the boomers who reached 18 after the early 1970's were the first to get free education, interestingly enough people like Tony Abbott etc.

its a good poitn that has been raised before. Ive heard the usual crazies denouning the 'older couple' spoiling at auctions. it never occured to them that they might be trading down or simple moving. Its not liek that is rare!

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Reply #178 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 8:26am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 8:18am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

The baby boomers had a much easier life going to university than people do now.

There is no doubt on that one.
The costs are much higher nowadays.

My problem is that the generation are now turning up to housing auctions, using their capital to purchase SECOND homes that they aren't even going to live in and beating young couples trying to buy their FIRST home to get on the ladder.

I am tiring of seeing these selfish older generations doing this.

They are a greedy, selfish generation and I will not move from that one.

complete crap. as explained to Robert, the baby boomer generation did it without any govt assistance at all. no student payments, no HECS and no help of any kind. you paid up front or you didn't go. How exactly that is easier than today with higher numbers, more courses and govt assistance all the way plus HECS is beyond me.

and before you go on, keep in mind that it is actually NOT the boomer generation buying investment houses. that is the other generations with the extra capital plus Chinese investors.

you missed the target here pretty much.

Ah yes HECS.
A debt that the current generation need to repay.

As opposed to free education which didn't need to be paid back.

I can see how its much easier.

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Reply #179 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 8:27am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 8:22am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 8:09am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

The baby boomers had a much easier life going to university than people do now.

There is no doubt on that one.
The costs are much higher nowadays.

My problem is that the generation are now turning up to housing auctions, using their capital to purchase SECOND homes that they aren't even going to live in and beating young couples trying to buy their FIRST home to get on the ladder.

I am tiring of seeing these selfish older generations doing this.

They are a greedy, selfish generation and I will not move from that one.

That has been happening as long as I can remember but I have to wonder how you tell if an older couple are looking to live in the house or not?
Many younger people also buy a second or third home etc as an investment and this is where I see the majority of additional activity in the housing market, young high flyers positioning their future.

The first half of the generation probably had it much tougher than today even, the boomers who reached 18 after the early 1970's were the first to get free education, interestingly enough people like Tony Abbott etc.

its a good poitn that has been raised before. Ive heard the usual crazies denouning the 'older couple' spoiling at auctions. it never occured to them that they might be trading down or simple moving. Its not liek that is rare!

The older couple have capital behind them to outbid the younger generation family and push the prices up and make it harder to get on the ladder.

Why do you think so many stories are out there referring to the baby boomers as the "Greedy generation"?

It's not made up by me, it's plain and simple truth.

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