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Reply #195 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 10:20am
 
KJT1981 wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 10:14am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 10:04am:
At my university library I recall the graffiti above the toilet roll of "Arts Degrees, please take one".

Never a truer word said in jest.



Most if not all self made millionaires in OZ would not have a Uni degree.

Laws, Harvey, Jones, Lindsay Fox, Richard Pratt, Dick Smith, Hadley, Lowery, Packer the bloke that started Transfield sorry can't think of his name, just to name a few.



Lindsay Fox bought out a company where I guy I knew worked.
They all had to apply for their jobs again and Fox was there with about 4 other guys.

In the interview, the guys in suits were asking him about his skills etc.
Fox: "What accent is that?"
"Scottish"
"Do you know Old Glasgow town?"
"Yeah the song, my uncle used to sing it"
"Sing the chorus again, I love that song"
<sings chorus>
"This fella is staying. The scots are bloody hard workers and put it in when needed. Move on"

A very random fella.
Apparently used to go to top restaurants in London and smother the food in tomato ketchup.
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Reply #196 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 10:30am
 
KJT1981 wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 10:01am:
... wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 9:52am:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 7:41am:
... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 9:01pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 7:56pm:
you lost the plot descibing our society as 'left-wing' that is more daft than most of the rubbish that gets posted here.

and I repeat that it is clear that your motivations for this odd, contradictory and rather embarrasisng rant is not about baby boomers but about a handful of them - probably your parents.


I've posted my explanations for the views i hold.  If you think otherwise, you're gonna need to do a bit more than just say "you're wrong" or "it's rubbish" and speculate about my motivations. 

For someone who complains about the standard of debate as much as you do, your debating ability sure is weak. 


It is hard to debate you because your position shifts liek desert sand. One post the boomers had it easy at uni and you had it hard which was bad and a few posts later the boomers had it HARD at uni and your lot had it easy which was also bad. and then you pain todays society as left-wing which is lunacy.

you simply dont make consistent sense. How can I debate you position when you keep moving it?


nnnah my position is consistent.  The education part seems to be the bit you're struggling with, so let me put it as simply as I can:

"while the cost of degrees has increased, their value has plummeted."

Too many fluffy degrees with no real knowledge gained or employment prospects, yet they still cost tens of thousands of dollars.  Blatant profiteering from the education sector, at the expense of young peoples futures. 


Yes I agree about 'fluffy' degrees but no one forces anyone to do a fluffy degree.

Fluffy degrees normally have low entry scores.


Program title: Bachelor of Arts
Award abbreviation: BA
QTAC code: 011001
OP/Rank for 2012 entry: OP-18 / Rank-63
Duration: 3 years full-time or equivalent part-time
Commence: Semester 1 or Semester 2
Study mode: on campus
Recommended prior study: English
Fee type 2012: Commonwealth supported places, fee paying places, international fee-paying places
Total units: 288
USC program code: AR301
CRICOS code: 022806B. Only a full-time option is available to international students on a Student Visa.

The Bachelor of Arts is a flexible program that allows studies in a wide variety of specialisations in arts, humanities and social sciences.

In this program you gain a broad, versatile education, and learn skills in critical thinking and analysis that are essential to many careers.

You choose from a variety of discipline areas, enabling you to design a degree to suit your personal interests and career ambitions. The program also provides a basis for entry into an education degree and is a springboard to postgraduate study.


The problem with Arts degrees is that they fill your head with numerous theorists but teach very little critical thinking. It's basically just a course in memorising the various theorists and regurgitating it come assessment time. Most of these theorists are the postmodern trendy types that moan about how 'evil' our current and past society is/was.

The thing is with critical thinking, it should be value neutral; meaning, it ought to teach students to impartially pull apart an argument to see how it was constructed. For example, how was their conclusion reached? What evidence was there to support such a position? Is the evidence valid? Instead, what is mostly the norm is to "critique" things by finding "exploitation" or "oppression" everywhere. This approach involves inserting values into the critique. Which is why you get a whole bunch of graduates coming out of Arts degrees thinking that their "egalitarian" approach to "critique" is the epitome of critical thinking.

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Reply #197 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 10:50am
 
In the pre-1960s the Arts department was actually respected by the community and the establishment. It was generally viewed as a department that could help and contribute to the community at large with problems/issues. Now what happened in the 1960s? The radicals took over; critiqued everything under the (Western) sun and introjected shame into every Westerner for the sole reason of being Western. It comes as no surprise that the Arts department now is generally viewed by everyone outside the Arts department as a waste of time and money. Who would have thought if you lambaste your people, culture and history you would be disliked?
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Reply #198 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 10:52am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:48pm:
You know what I see in Beijing LW???

Law and order.

I walked through the centre of the city on a Saturday night and its lovely.
Walk through the middle of Sydney and Melbourne same time and see the difference.

The respect for the police in Australia is non existent thanks to the erosion of laws eggared.by baby boomer ideology whereas here the respect for the People's Army who police the streets is visible and clear.

What a breath of fresh air and like Australia once was.


Well, I'm beggared!

Never thought I'd see our Andrei praising a vicious, murdering dictatorship! Must be something in the water in Beijing.

Andrei, no doubt many people do respect the Chinese Army. Others fear them because they remember what happened in a certain square.

You can have the law and order you crave Sonny Jim, at the cost of freedom of speech, thought and action. A certain degree of disrespect for authority is a sign of a free society.


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Reply #199 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:10am
 
I will not be criticising the country which is hosting me at this time.
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Reply #200 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:25am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:10am:
I will not be criticising the country which is hosting me at this time.


AndreI, you're priceless! Why buy a tIcket to the movies when you can entertain me for nothing.......

But, listen, Sonny, don't knock idealism, whether youthful or in old age. It's the idealism of thousands of people who give their time, day after day, to social agencies, that keeps this country going.

And what were Gandhi, Hollows, Schweitzer, Mother Teresa, if not idealists?

FFS stop whinging, grizzling and moaning and enjoy your life. This is it, the one you get, so go and have a ball......
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Reply #201 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:43am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 10:20am:
Arts students have literally bugger all to do and cruise through uni life.
Seriously, ancient history - he did like Plato and all that nonsense.
What fking use is that????


So your problem is they had an easier time than you? diddums! Haha anyway someone has to do it or we will lose all the knowledge of history.

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Reply #202 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:44am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:10am:
I will not be criticising the country which is hosting me at this time.


because you know that internet is monitored and police dont bother with the niceties of western justice.

enjoy!
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Reply #203 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:45am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:48pm:
You know what I see in Beijing LW???

Law and order.

I walked through the centre of the city on a Saturday night and its lovely.
Walk through the middle of Sydney and Melbourne same time and see the difference.

The respect for the police in Australia is non existent thanks to the erosion of laws by baby boomer ideology whereas here the respect for the People's Army who police the streets is visible and clear.

What a breath of fresh air and like Australia once was.


Seriously? Now the "baby boomers" have an "ideology"? Because of when they were born?

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Reply #204 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 12:01pm
 
Ah, but you can walk the streets on a Saturday night, don't forget that.

Actually I have walked the.streets of both Sydney and Melbourne on Saturday nights and lived to tell the tale!

Once walked through Redfern and all I saw was friendly black faces and all I heard was offers to "come and have a beer". Depends on your attitude I guess.
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Reply #205 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 12:16pm
 
I have walked through Melbourne on a weekend and seen fighting, drunken chaos and general disrespect for the police.

In contrast I spent Saturday night in central Beijing and there was no single sign of trouble and the People's Army keep order and were incredibly polite and helpful.

Like I said a poor developing country shows up Australia to be very ordinary.
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Reply #206 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 12:25pm
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 12:01pm:
Once walked through Redfern and all I saw was friendly black faces and all I heard was offers to "come and have a beer".



You don't have to lie to make your point.
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Reply #207 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 12:27pm
 
They may have said that to him.

The intent though would have been something frighteningly different.
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Reply #208 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 12:35pm
 
There are few areas where it really is dangerous to just walk through it.  You might be unlucky and run into a bunch of punks, but you've got a 99% of making it out intact.

But the way he described it, it's like he was walking into "cheers", smiling and waving at everyone as he skips along gaily.
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Reply #209 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 12:53pm
 
Mr Paulson, at least Andrei can sometimes be entertaining. You, on the other hand, are just offensive.

Andrei, I shared a beer with a group who then sent me on my way with instructions on how to get to the market, which was where I was heading. Nothing frightening, just friendly people helping someone out.
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