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Reply #76 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:19am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:31am:

The generation aged from 45-50 onwards have been responsible for the world's economy being shot to sh*t with high debt, the world's security being as dicey as it is (those of us my age were still at school during the Gulf War) and they have raped the earth of its resources faster than any generation in history.

The last generation, frankly, are a disgrace.

They also are spending their money and keep their assets (which they hoard and drive the price of houses up to the nth degree making it so hard for young families to get on the property ladder).

They are the most selfish generation there has ever been.

Agreed. But still, they blame their kids. Angry

security??? that era that he blames for being insecure has had less war the preceding ones. WW1 WW2 Vietnam, Korea etc all occured before then.

True. Which means that pressure is building, and when it gets too much, the next war will make WW2 look like a day at the funfair.

The boomers crime is their denial of human nature - all the poo they've foisted on the world stems from this.

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Reply #77 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:25am

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:31am:

The generation aged from 45-50 onwards have been responsible for the world's economy being shot to sh*t with high debt, the world's security being as dicey as it is (those of us my age were still at school during the Gulf War) and they have raped the earth of its resources faster than any generation in history.

The last generation, frankly, are a disgrace.

They also are spending their money and keep their assets (which they hoard and drive the price of houses up to the nth degree making it so hard for young families to get on the property ladder).

They are the most selfish generation there has ever been.

Agreed. But still, they blame their kids. Angry

security??? that era that he blames for being insecure has had less war the preceding ones. WW1 WW2 Vietnam, Korea etc all occured before then.

True. Which means that pressure is building, and when it gets too much, the next war will make WW2 look like a day at the funfair.

The boomers crime is their denial of human nature - all the poo they've foisted on the world stems from this.

what a load of crap. What do you think sets boomers apart from the current generation which live witha sense of entitlement, are the first genertion to LOWER the age expectation and still live with mummy and daddy in their 30s?

your generation isnt impressing anyone with thgeir acts of world-changing. Their only world is online.

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Reply #78 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:27am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:25am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:31am:

The generation aged from 45-50 onwards have been responsible for the world's economy being shot to sh*t with high debt, the world's security being as dicey as it is (those of us my age were still at school during the Gulf War) and they have raped the earth of its resources faster than any generation in history.

The last generation, frankly, are a disgrace.

They also are spending their money and keep their assets (which they hoard and drive the price of houses up to the nth degree making it so hard for young families to get on the property ladder).

They are the most selfish generation there has ever been.

Agreed. But still, they blame their kids. Angry

security??? that era that he blames for being insecure has had less war the preceding ones. WW1 WW2 Vietnam, Korea etc all occured before then.

True. Which means that pressure is building, and when it gets too much, the next war will make WW2 look like a day at the funfair.

The boomers crime is their denial of human nature - all the poo they've foisted on the world stems from this.

what a load of crap. What do you think sets boomers apart from the current generation which live witha sense of entitlement, are the first genertion to LOWER the age expectation and still live with mummy and daddy in their 30s?
your generation isnt impressing anyone with thgeir acts of world-changing. Their only world is online.

How'd they develop that sense of entitlement? What makes them want or need to stay at home with mum and dad?

That's right - from the policies and actions championed by the boomers. Don't get me wrong - every single day I lament the poor calibre of my peers, but their attitudes are a product of their environment - an environment created and controlled by boomers.

Know this boomers - there will be no happy retirement for you supported by the generation(s) you have sold out. You reap what you sow.

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Reply #79 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:32am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality.

Every generation has had its right wing thugs...

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Reply #80 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:35am

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:25am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:31am:

The generation aged from 45-50 onwards have been responsible for the world's economy being shot to sh*t with high debt, the world's security being as dicey as it is (those of us my age were still at school during the Gulf War) and they have raped the earth of its resources faster than any generation in history.

The last generation, frankly, are a disgrace.

They also are spending their money and keep their assets (which they hoard and drive the price of houses up to the nth degree making it so hard for young families to get on the property ladder).

They are the most selfish generation there has ever been.

Agreed. But still, they blame their kids. Angry

security??? that era that he blames for being insecure has had less war the preceding ones. WW1 WW2 Vietnam, Korea etc all occured before then.

True. Which means that pressure is building, and when it gets too much, the next war will make WW2 look like a day at the funfair.

The boomers crime is their denial of human nature - all the poo they've foisted on the world stems from this.

what a load of crap. What do you think sets boomers apart from the current generation which live witha sense of entitlement, are the first genertion to LOWER the age expectation and still live with mummy and daddy in their 30s?
your generation isnt impressing anyone with thgeir acts of world-changing. Their only world is online.

How'd they develop that sense of entitlement? What makes them want or need to stay at home with mum and dad?

That's right - from the policies and actions championed by the boomers. Don't get me wrong - every single day I lament the poor calibre of my peers, but their attitudes are a product of their environment - an environment created and controlled by boomers.

Know this boomers - there will be no happy retirement for you supported by the generation(s) you have sold out. You reap what you sow.

and therein lies the heart of the weakness of your generation - blaming others. thats your stock answer and it will be fatal. Blame accomplishes nothing and history is replet with examples of people who rose above their circumstances to become better and NOT by blaming others.

this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here.

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Reply #81 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:36am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality.

Oh I agree, it's not precise enough. But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers. Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.

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Reply #82 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:41am

I believe in catching right wing public sociopaths while they are young, you stand a better chance of curbing them and preventing a future Abbott, Howard or Gillard from coming through...When someone comes to my attention because of repeated threats to the safety of disadvantaged people, I do a bit of investigation on them, save their bios and everything I can find they have publicly shared and open up a file on them... Cool

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Reply #83 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:41am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:35am:

this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here.

Who said it was new or original? The fact remains that boomers stupidly turned their back of human nature, thought their groovy hippie ideals had soem basis on reality, so replicated them on a macro-scale, but it's me and my generation who has to deal with the fallout of their complete smacking idiocy.

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Reply #84 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:46am

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality.

Oh I agree, it's not precise enough. But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers. Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.

of you want to adm,it that every generation has it strengths and wekaness then go for it - as it is generally true. But if you want to blame one particular generation (not your own of course) then you will lose credibility and a great deal of it.

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Reply #85 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:48am

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:35am:

this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here.

Who said it was new or original? The fact remains that boomers stupidly turned their back of human nature, thought their groovy hippie ideals had soem basis on reality, so replicated them on a macro-scale, but it's me and my generation who has to deal with the fallout of their complete smacking idiocy.

deal with the fallout??? it could be convincingly argued that your generation is too obsessed with self (and phones, i pads, ipods,igames, itv, isleeping) to 'deal' with anything at all. Some social commentators suggest that the current generation could be the one that acommplishes the least in terms of social advancement than any other before it.

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Reply #86 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:49am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality.

Oh I agree, it's not precise enough. But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers. Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.

of you want to adm,it that every generation has it strengths and wekaness then go for it - as it is generally true. But if you want to blame one particular generation (not your own of course) then you will lose credibility and a great deal of it.

It certainly is true. but for boomers, their weaknesses far far outweigh their strengths.

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'I am part of the most selfish generation in history and we should be ashamed of our legacy,' says Jeremy Paxman

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JEREMY-PAXMAN-Baby-Boomers-selfi...

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“The Baby Boomers are the most self-centered, self-seeking, self-interested, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing generation in American history,”

http://www.esquire.com/features/worst-generation-0400

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Reply #87 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:51am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:35am:

this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here.

Who said it was new or original? The fact remains that boomers stupidly turned their back of human nature, thought their groovy hippie ideals had soem basis on reality, so replicated them on a macro-scale, but it's me and my generation who has to deal with the fallout of their complete smacking idiocy.

deal with the fallout??? it could be convincingly argued that your generation is too obsessed with self (and phones, i pads, ipods,igames, itv, isleeping) to 'deal' with anything at all. Some social commentators suggest that the current generation could be the one that acommplishes the least in terms of social advancement than any other before it.

indeed it could, but how did this mindset take hold? How else?

Quote:

“Thanks to the ’60s, we are all shamelessly selfish.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/opinion/the-downside-of-liberty.html

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Reply #88 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:53am

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:35am:

this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here.

Who said it was new or original? The fact remains that boomers stupidly turned their back of human nature, thought their groovy hippie ideals had soem basis on reality, so replicated them on a macro-scale, but it's me and my generation who has to deal with the fallout of their complete smacking idiocy.

deal with the fallout??? it could be convincingly argued that your generation is too obsessed with self (and phones, i pads, ipods,igames, itv, isleeping) to 'deal' with anything at all. Some social commentators suggest that the current generation could be the one that acommplishes the least in terms of social advancement than any other before it.

indeed it could, but how did this mindset take hold? How else?

Quote:

“Thanks to the ’60s, we are all shamelessly selfish.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/opinion/the-downside-of-liberty.html

continually blaming everyone else is perhaps the weakest trait in your generation. it will torpedo anything you attempt because there will always be someone else to blame. Your failures - including the failure to even leave home before middle age - is your own fault.

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Reply #89 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:54am

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:49am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality.

Oh I agree, it's not precise enough. But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers. Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.

of you want to adm,it that every generation has it strengths and wekaness then go for it - as it is generally true. But if you want to blame one particular generation (not your own of course) then you will lose credibility and a great deal of it.

Quote:

'I am part of the most selfish generation in history and we should be ashamed of our legacy,' says Jeremy Paxman

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JEREMY-PAXMAN-Baby-Boomers-selfi...

Quote:

“The Baby Boomers are the most self-centered, self-seeking, self-interested, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing generation in American history,”

http://www.esquire.com/features/worst-generation-0400

all that boomer-built prosperity must be really hard to live with.

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