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Reply #90 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:55am

From a person on welfare point of view.,..and after all, its our opinion that counts on this topic...I just keep my eye out for public activists who habitually threaten our safety - in politics, the media, business ect and identify that person and place them under the surveillance of my archiving...They can be held accountable for all of their activities against the disadvantaged...especially if they are seeking preselection, promotions, new media positions ect...

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Reply #91 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:58am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:49am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality.

Oh I agree, it's not precise enough. But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers. Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.

of you want to adm,it that every generation has it strengths and wekaness then go for it - as it is generally true. But if you want to blame one particular generation (not your own of course) then you will lose credibility and a great deal of it.

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'I am part of the most selfish generation in history and we should be ashamed of our legacy,' says Jeremy Paxman

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JEREMY-PAXMAN-Baby-Boomers-selfi...

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“The Baby Boomers are the most self-centered, self-seeking, self-interested, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing generation in American history,”

http://www.esquire.com/features/worst-generation-0400

all that boomer-built prosperity must be really hard to live with.

I wouldn't know - it's concentrated in the hands of boomers. That'd be why your kids won't leave home until they're 30. Your hippie generation told them to follow their heart and the money will follow. So they did, they poured tens of thousands of $$$ into worthless degrees in "what they love" only to find out it qualified them for nothing greater than flipping burgers. So they're in deep debt from the get-go, can't afford a new place because they're all negatively-geared investment properties for boomers - and you blame THEM for not being able to move out?????? Back in your day, degrees were free and a phd wasn't required for an entry level job - thanks soo much for changing the game to profit off the hardship of future generations boomers - and we don't have pensions or even our own superannuation to look forward to - it's a given that in a final act of selfishness, boomers will bleed the pool dry before they shuffle off the mortal coil.

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Reply #92 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:01pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:35am:

this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here.

Who said it was new or original? The fact remains that boomers stupidly turned their back of human nature, thought their groovy hippie ideals had soem basis on reality, so replicated them on a macro-scale, but it's me and my generation who has to deal with the fallout of their complete smacking idiocy.

deal with the fallout??? it could be convincingly argued that your generation is too obsessed with self (and phones, i pads, ipods,igames, itv, isleeping) to 'deal' with anything at all. Some social commentators suggest that the current generation could be the one that acommplishes the least in terms of social advancement than any other before it.

indeed it could, but how did this mindset take hold? How else?

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“Thanks to the ’60s, we are all shamelessly selfish.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/opinion/the-downside-of-liberty.html

continually blaming everyone else is perhaps the weakest trait in your generation. it will torpedo anything you attempt because there will always be someone else to blame. Your failures - including the failure to even leave home before middle age - is your own fault.

I left home at 19, and just made the last payment on my house at age 31. Just like some people might have a big win at the casino, but that doesn't mean that the game isn't rigged.

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Reply #95 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:49am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality.

Oh I agree, it's not precise enough. But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers. Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.

of you want to adm,it that every generation has it strengths and wekaness then go for it - as it is generally true. But if you want to blame one particular generation (not your own of course) then you will lose credibility and a great deal of it.

Quote:

'I am part of the most selfish generation in history and we should be ashamed of our legacy,' says Jeremy Paxman

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JEREMY-PAXMAN-Baby-Boomers-selfi...

Quote:

“The Baby Boomers are the most self-centered, self-seeking, self-interested, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing generation in American history,”

http://www.esquire.com/features/worst-generation-0400

all that boomer-built prosperity must be really hard to live with.

I wouldn't know - it's concentrated in the hands of boomers. That'd be why your kids won't leave home until they're 30. Your hippie generation told them to follow their heart and the money will follow. So they did, they poured tens of thousands of $$$ into worthless degrees in "what they love" only to find out it qualified them for nothing greater than flipping burgers. So they're in deep debt from the get-go, can't afford a new place because they're all negatively-geared investment properties for boomers - and you blame THEM for not being able to move out?????? Back in your day, degrees were free and a phd wasn't required for an entry level job - thanks soo much for changing the game to profit off the hardship of future generations boomers - and we don't have pensions or even our own superannuation to look forward to - it's a given that in a final act of selfishness, boomers will bleed the pool dry before they shuffle off the mortal coil.

ah poor diddums... for starters, degrees werent free for other than a few years (and not for me). and we didnt get ANY govt assistance for going to uni. no student allowance, living away from home allowance or other such assistance. If you wanted to get a degree you paid for it up front and then worked in the evenings to put yourself thru. Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day.

you dont have your own superannuation??? do you think ours was given to us??? we worked for it - another concept this new generation seems to struggle with.

I do love your comment about money being concentrated in the hands of boomers... IM trying to work out what you are expecting? you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing?? go work for it you lazy buggers. Take risks, invent products and services (like all the things you take for granted now).

You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation.

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Reply #96 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:56pm

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:35am:

this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here.

Who said it was new or original? The fact remains that boomers stupidly turned their back of human nature, thought their groovy hippie ideals had soem basis on reality, so replicated them on a macro-scale, but it's me and my generation who has to deal with the fallout of their complete smacking idiocy.

deal with the fallout??? it could be convincingly argued that your generation is too obsessed with self (and phones, i pads, ipods,igames, itv, isleeping) to 'deal' with anything at all. Some social commentators suggest that the current generation could be the one that acommplishes the least in terms of social advancement than any other before it.

indeed it could, but how did this mindset take hold? How else?

Quote:

“Thanks to the ’60s, we are all shamelessly selfish.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/opinion/the-downside-of-liberty.html

continually blaming everyone else is perhaps the weakest trait in your generation. it will torpedo anything you attempt because there will always be someone else to blame. Your failures - including the failure to even leave home before middle age - is your own fault.

I left home at 19, and just made the last payment on my house at age 31. Just like some people might have a big win at the casino, but that doesn't mean that the game isn't rigged.

Isnt that the IDENTICAL act of a boomer?????

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Reply #97 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day.

Yes - TOO easy. If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees. Which generation profits from this? Do I really need to say it out loud?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you dont have your own superannuation???

yes I do. Will it still be there when I retire? not a chance. Angry

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing??

Do I want it for nothing? Not at all, but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had. Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation.

We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed. By whom? I think you know the answer to that.

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Reply #98 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:12pm

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day.

Yes - TOO easy. If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees. Which generation profits from this? Do I really need to say it out loud?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you dont have your own superannuation???

yes I do. Will it still be there when I retire? not a chance. Angry

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing??

Do I want it for nothing? Not at all, but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had. Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation.

We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed. By whom? I think you know the answer to that.

every single response was nothing more than the words of a petulant and crhincally lazy generation that has had far, far more opportunities than any other. your idiotic arguments are circulare at best or simply non-sensical the rest of the time. How do you reconcile 'uni was easy for boomers and hard for ' us with then accepting the opposite is true and criticising that as well???

you are just lazy and the more you talk the more you prove the point.

you lost the argument the moment you started blaming someone else. winners suceed because they work hard. whiners fail because they spet their time blaming their parents or school or govt or whoever.

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Reply #99 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day.

Yes - TOO easy. If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees. Which generation profits from this? Do I really need to say it out loud?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you dont have your own superannuation???

yes I do. Will it still be there when I retire? not a chance. Angry

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing??

Do I want it for nothing? Not at all, but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had. Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation.

We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed. By whom? I think you know the answer to that.

do you want to give some credible backing to that statment? given that you paid off your house by 31, it might be a bit difficult to mount an argument that wealth has been denied you.

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Reply #100 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:19pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

How do you reconcile 'uni was easy for boomers and hard for ' us with then accepting the opposite is true and criticising that as well???

I don't need to reconcile them, because it's a statement you've fabricated.
Uni probably was harder for boomers, since they didn't have phony degrees, but paying for it was smacking easy. It was either free, or would get you a good job upon graduation, enabling you to pay it off quickly.

But of course, the boomers saw an opportunity to profit from education - voila! the proliferation of fluffy poo degrees like "womyns studies' to part the young with cash they hadn't even earned yet. Didn't do bugger all for their hopes in life, but it did make tens of thousands of $$$ for those running the show. I'm sure you know which generation those running the show are from.

I thought parents were supposed to HELP their kids, not sell them into debt slavery?

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Reply #101 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:21pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day.

Yes - TOO easy. If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees. Which generation profits from this? Do I really need to say it out loud?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you dont have your own superannuation???

yes I do. Will it still be there when I retire? not a chance. Angry

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing??

Do I want it for nothing? Not at all, but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had. Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation.

We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed. By whom? I think you know the answer to that.

do you want to give some credible backing to that statment? given that you paid off your house by 31, it might be a bit difficult to mount an argument that wealth has been denied you.

I didn't say it's been denied ME, I say it's been denied to my GENERATION. I could have sworn I'd seen you make numerous references to PRINCIPLES on here before.

As for backing, you didn't have to contend with a fraction of the bureaucratic hoops we have to jump through, all of which require $$$, and these agencies that benefit from these dues are controlled by B___ B_____ (fill in the blanks).

Want an entry level job in data entry?

Make sure you've done the requisite pHD and got certification in this, that and the other.
Make sure you've registered and paid your dues to the pointless governing body.
Make sure you've rehearsed answers to the irrelevant, inane form questions the Ditz at the HR firm they've outsourced recuirtment to is going to ask you.
Make sure you've got a federal police clearance, done a full D& A screen and medical, completed the mandatory sensitivity training, and maybe - MAYBE - then you may be granted the privilege of doing a 3 month unpaid trial.

And all YOU had to do was rock up and show the boss you were keen for work. But theres no profit to be had in that, is there?

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Reply #102 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:34pm

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:19pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

How do you reconcile 'uni was easy for boomers and hard for ' us with then accepting the opposite is true and criticising that as well???

I don't need to reconcile them, because it's a statement you've fabricated.
Uni probably was harder for boomers, since they didn't have phony degrees, but paying for it was smacking easy. It was either free, or would get you a good job upon graduation, enabling you to pay it off quickly.

But of course, the boomers saw an opportunity to profit from education - voila! the proliferation of fluffy poo degrees like "womyns studies' to part the young with cash they hadn't even earned yet. Didn't do bugger all for their hopes in life, but it did make tens of thousands of $$$ for those running the show. I'm sure you know which generation those running the show are from.

I thought parents were supposed to HELP their kids, not sell them into debt slavery?

now you just sound like a whiny little kid. uni was easy???? we did it without ANY finaincal help including HECS plus earned them in a time of high unemployment.

You are soft. You are weak. if you were stupid enough to do a dumb degree then you were just plain stupid. but you got support to do it.

you really are a soft generation. no wonder you still live at home.

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Reply #103 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:35pm

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

[quote author=Max_T link=1357517661/65#65 date=1357604974]
The 'Greed is Good' generation blaming their parents' and
grandparents' generations for the shyt the world's now in?

When THEY are primarily at fault.

FFS, that is a cracker!!!!

Don't you usually blame the parents for how their kids turn out?

No, because they're usually not to 'blame'. I do IF it's warranted, not because it's 'fashionable'.

The parents are the primary influence on a child, therefore they must take primary blame if they turn out buggered.

Hmmmm?

PS who's blaming their grandparents generation?

I'm not blaming MINE, no.

neither am I. They're not called "the greatest generation' for nothing. They knew what's up, but of course the boomers thought they knew better. Of course, they'll be in the ground before the true toll of their idiocy is realised.

they aren't the hippies who never grew up.

Ah! So all baby-boomers are lifelong hippies? Now I see.

Nope, just as all gen X aren't about "greed is good". But look at the origins of the movements that have made today so buggered up - feminism, multiculturalism, entitlement mentality - the 60's was the golden age for them all. Just a coincidence eh?

Weren't the boomers kids in the 60s? It was the generation before that.

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Reply #104 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:39pm

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day.

Yes - TOO easy. If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees. Which generation profits from this? Do I really need to say it out loud?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you dont have your own superannuation???

yes I do. Will it still be there when I retire? not a chance. Angry

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing??

Do I want it for nothing? Not at all, but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had. Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation.

We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed. By whom? I think you know the answer to that.

do you want to give some credible backing to that statment? given that you paid off your house by 31, it might be a bit difficult to mount an argument that wealth has been denied you.

I didn't say it's been denied ME, I say it's been denied to my GENERATION. I could have sworn I'd seen you make numerous references to PRINCIPLES on here before.

As for backing, you didn't have to contend with a fraction of the bureaucratic hoops we have to jump through, all of which require $$$, and these agencies that benefit from these dues are controlled by B___ B_____ (fill in the blanks).

Want an entry level job in data entry?

Make sure you've done the requisite pHD and got certification in this, that and the other.
Make sure you've registered and paid your dues to the pointless governing body.
Make sure you've rehearsed answers to the irrelevant, inane form questions the Ditz at the HR firm they've outsourced recuirtment to is going to ask you.
Make sure you've got a federal police clearance, done a full D& A screen and medical, completed the mandatory sensitivity training, and maybe - MAYBE - then you may be granted the privilege of doing a 3 month unpaid trial.

And all YOU had to do was rock up and show the boss you were keen for work. But theres no profit to be had in that, is there?

poor little diddums... have to fill in some forms? have to actually go to job interviews??? how tough is that? we had to do all of that during periods of persistent 10%+ unemployment. Are you really that uninformed that you think we all walked into jobs? the boomers you love to hate built the companies that give your lot jobs now - providing you can gt out of bed to do it.

your whines are a pitiful ode to your generation's weakness - the inability to work hard. Whether it is easier or harder than the boomers isnt the issue and never was. the issue is whether or not you have the right stuff to make society BETTER. so far, the evidence is that you dont really want to do much of anything beyond surf the waves, surf the net or surf the channels. anything but work.

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