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Reply #135 - Jan 11^th, 2013 at 6:17pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 5:13am:

john_g wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 10:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

john_g wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 7:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:32pm:

cods wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Howard knew the GST was unpopular.. but he gave us the chance to throw it out..I say that shows class..

class? the election clearly showed people didn't want the GST

he bribed the democrats to jump ship and introduced the GST despite the fact that the wishes of the elctorate were clearly against it. About as much class as a corrupt policeman has in my books.

The Coalition got back in with a majority of 80 seats, and the Democrats did promise to "keep the bastards honest", so I am not seeing your point here.

And before you call me biased or whatever, bear in mind that I voted Labor in 1998.

He did not have the numbers to pass it through, I don't remember the numbers and I can't be bothered looking them up ....I do remember he had to bribe the Democrats, who went to the same election saying they would not support the Howards GST. Hence, no more democrats.

How is it keeping them honest when they go against the wishes of the voters? In the end that turned out to be just another slogan.

The Coalition was elected in 1998, as simple as that.

I voted Labor, and presume you did too. That doesn't change the fact that the Coalition was elected.

Maybe. Actually it was the next one after 1998 that was prolly rigged. There was all that scandal in america but they were very quiet here. When ppl started to say so they were shut up fast. It was all very suspect.

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Reply #136 - Jan 11^th, 2013 at 6:18pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

john_g wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 7:27pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

john_g wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Howard was a class above what we have now, on both sides, in my opinion.

I will always respect him for taking the GST to an early election. That took courage, which Gillard refused to show over the carbon tax.

I would take Abbott any day over Gillard, but I still don't really think that he will make a good PM. I would prefer Turnbull, but that won't happen.

I just think that both sides of politics is dreadful at the moment, and yes, while I want the Coalition to win the election, it's through default of wanting rid of Labor, not because I like them.

It's a choice of the lesser of two evils. At least that's how I feel.

Howard was a class above what we have now, on both sides, in my opinion.

In my view a class down on Gillard and debatable with Abbott.

I will always respect him for taking the GST to an early election.

He went for the GST because the Labor opposition was a shambles and he believed he could get away with his famous lie.

He went to an early election for the same reason - tactically he thought it was his best chance of winning.

would prefer Turnbull, but that won't happen.

In my view if Turnbull were a better choice than Abbott it would not be by much and he would not be in front of anyone else.

You are entitled to your views, but I wholeheartedly disagree with them all, as we've debated before.

One concern is that after Abbott and Turnbull Pyne could be next in line - probably no better, has already shown a weakness on honesty and been involved in some pretty grubby dealing.

Whereabouts?

There won't be a change in leadership while the Coalition still sits very comfortably ahead.

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Re: ohh, Peter Slipper summonsed to court
Reply #137 - Jan 11^th, 2013 at 6:19pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 12:17pm:

john_g wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 10:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

john_g wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 7:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:32pm:

cods wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Howard knew the GST was unpopular.. but he gave us the chance to throw it out..I say that shows class..

class? the election clearly showed people didn't want the GST

he bribed the democrats to jump ship and introduced the GST despite the fact that the wishes of the elctorate were clearly against it. About as much class as a corrupt policeman has in my books.

The Coalition got back in with a majority of 80 seats, and the Democrats did promise to "keep the bastards honest", so I am not seeing your point here.

And before you call me biased or whatever, bear in mind that I voted Labor in 1998.

He did not have the numbers to pass it through, I don't remember the numbers and I can't be bothered looking them up ....I do remember he had to bribe the Democrats, who went to the same election saying they would not support the Howards GST. Hence, no more democrats.

How is it keeping them honest when they go against the wishes of the voters? In the end that turned out to be just another slogan.

The Coalition was elected in 1998, as simple as that.

I voted Labor, and presume you did too. That doesn't change the fact that the Coalition was elected.

Yes they won, I'm not disputing that, but over 50% of voters voted against the GST (against the libs, GST was the main issue of that election) . Howards only mandate was to forget the GST and he ignored it.

I completely disagree, and as I said, I am an unbiased swing voter who voted Labor in that election.

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Re: ohh, Peter Slipper summonsed to court
Reply #138 - Jan 11^th, 2013 at 6:21pm

More problems for Slipper:

From the Australian:

JAMES Ashby has lodged an application for leave to appeal a court ruling, after a judge dismissed his claim of sexual harassment at the hands of former speaker Peter Slipper as a "political attack".

The former staffer lodged the application with the Federal Court today after Justice Steven Rares dismissed his case in December, saying the purpose of the case had been to “pursue a political attack against Mr Slipper”.

In his judgment, Justice Rares also said Mr Ashby's “unreasonable acts of instituting and prosecuting the proceedings” had caused Mr Slipper to incur costs.

But in the first ground of appeal listed in the application today Mr Ashby states that Justice Rares erred in finding that his “predominant purpose” was to “pursue a political attack” against Mr Slipper, rather than vindicate any legal claim.

Mr Ashby said the proceedings were, therefore, an “abuse of process”.

If leave for appeal is refused, Mr Ashby's application said “substantial injustice” would be caused, as the December judgment “has denied the applicant a hearing on the merits” and has resulted in an order that he pay Mr Slipper's costs.

In the scathing judgment of Mr Ashby, Justice Rares found that the former staffer had worked with fellow staffer Karen Doane and former federal minister Mal Brough to “advance the interests of the Liberal National Party and Mr Brough”.

Mr Brough has been preselected as the LNP's candidate for the now independent Mr Slipper's Queensland seat of Fisher at the next federal election.

He also found Mr Ashby and his solicitor, Michael Harmer, had included allegations that Mr Slipper misused cab vouchers, “for the purpose of injuring Mr Slipper and for no legitimate forensic purpose”.

But in the application lodged with the court today, Mr Ashby states that the primary judge was wrong to find Mr Harmer intended to cause harm to Mr Slipper by including “irrelevant allegations”.

In a statement issued on behalf of Mr Ashby, his spokesman said that Mr Harmer of Harmers Workplace Lawyers would also be seeking leave to appeal on Monday.

“Justice Rares made separate and distinct findings regarding Mr Ashby and Mr Harmer, so each presently is being separately legally represented in this Application,” the spokesman said.

The hearing for Mr Ashby's application is set down for February 6.

AAP

I can't believe he's still there.

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Re: ohh, Peter Slipper summonsed to court
Reply #139 - Jan 11^th, 2013 at 6:28pm

john_g wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 6:21pm:

More problems for Slipper:

From the Australian:

JAMES Ashby has lodged an application for leave to appeal a court ruling, after a judge dismissed his claim of sexual harassment at the hands of former speaker Peter Slipper as a "political attack".

The former staffer lodged the application with the Federal Court today after Justice Steven Rares dismissed his case in December, saying the purpose of the case had been to “pursue a political attack against Mr Slipper”.

In his judgment, Justice Rares also said Mr Ashby's “unreasonable acts of instituting and prosecuting the proceedings” had caused Mr Slipper to incur costs.

But in the first ground of appeal listed in the application today Mr Ashby states that Justice Rares erred in finding that his “predominant purpose” was to “pursue a political attack” against Mr Slipper, rather than vindicate any legal claim.

Mr Ashby said the proceedings were, therefore, an “abuse of process”.

If leave for appeal is refused, Mr Ashby's application said “substantial injustice” would be caused, as the December judgment “has denied the applicant a hearing on the merits” and has resulted in an order that he pay Mr Slipper's costs.

In the scathing judgment of Mr Ashby, Justice Rares found that the former staffer had worked with fellow staffer Karen Doane and former federal minister Mal Brough to “advance the interests of the Liberal National Party and Mr Brough”.

Mr Brough has been preselected as the LNP's candidate for the now independent Mr Slipper's Queensland seat of Fisher at the next federal election.

He also found Mr Ashby and his solicitor, Michael Harmer, had included allegations that Mr Slipper misused cab vouchers, “for the purpose of injuring Mr Slipper and for no legitimate forensic purpose”.

But in the application lodged with the court today, Mr Ashby states that the primary judge was wrong to find Mr Harmer intended to cause harm to Mr Slipper by including “irrelevant allegations”.

In a statement issued on behalf of Mr Ashby, his spokesman said that Mr Harmer of Harmers Workplace Lawyers would also be seeking leave to appeal on Monday.

“Justice Rares made separate and distinct findings regarding Mr Ashby and Mr Harmer, so each presently is being separately legally represented in this Application,” the spokesman said.

The hearing for Mr Ashby's application is set down for February 6.

AAP

I can't believe he's still there.

I hope aussies reading this.. when I said Feb...he went ballistic..

slippers cab charge"an irrelevant accusation.".hahahah

wonder if Rares has heard about slippers appearance on 15th Feb in court to answer questions on those same irrelevant cabcharges????

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: ohh, Peter Slipper summonsed to court Reply #140 - Jan 11^th, 2013 at 6:33pm KJT1981 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 9:47pm: And here is another Skippy lie. "If the ankle really cared he would have turned up and done the job without calling the press for photo ops, what a low life ankle. People are dying and all this ankle cares about is photo opps." Feeling neglected again Matty/ mel?
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Reply #142 - Jan 11^th, 2013 at 7:31pm

john_g wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 12:17pm:

john_g wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 10:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

john_g wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 7:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:32pm:

cods wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Howard knew the GST was unpopular.. but he gave us the chance to throw it out..I say that shows class..

class? the election clearly showed people didn't want the GST

he bribed the democrats to jump ship and introduced the GST despite the fact that the wishes of the elctorate were clearly against it. About as much class as a corrupt policeman has in my books.

The Coalition got back in with a majority of 80 seats, and the Democrats did promise to "keep the bastards honest", so I am not seeing your point here.

And before you call me biased or whatever, bear in mind that I voted Labor in 1998.

He did not have the numbers to pass it through, I don't remember the numbers and I can't be bothered looking them up ....I do remember he had to bribe the Democrats, who went to the same election saying they would not support the Howards GST. Hence, no more democrats.

How is it keeping them honest when they go against the wishes of the voters? In the end that turned out to be just another slogan.

The Coalition was elected in 1998, as simple as that.

I voted Labor, and presume you did too. That doesn't change the fact that the Coalition was elected.

Yes they won, I'm not disputing that, but over 50% of voters voted against the GST (against the libs, GST was the main issue of that election) . Howards only mandate was to forget the GST and he ignored it.

I completely disagree, and as I said, I am an unbiased swing voter who voted Labor in that election.

Virtually 100% of people who voted for the Democrats believed that they had cast an iron clad vote against the GST.

The only true mandate from that election in my view was for the Dems to block the GST as they had guaranteed to their supporters that they would.

Not many of the people who had voted Democrat for around 2 decades ever forgave them and never voted for them again. This is the reason they are now extinct.

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Re: ohh, Peter Slipper summonsed to court
Reply #143 - Jan 11^th, 2013 at 7:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 7:26pm:

cods wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:

One concern is that after Abbott and Turnbull Pyne could be next in line - probably no better, has already shown a [highlight]weakness on honesty and been involved in some pretty grubby dealin

smacks of gillard.. Grin

More like Howard or Abbott.

I think gillard is more up to date though dont you??? more in peoples memories..

for people who dont like bringing up the past you sure know how to do it..
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what the helll has Howard got to do with anything we may as well bring in keating and hawke.. There will be no POOR CHILDREN by the year 1990..

come on get over it,,

and as Abbott isnt PM he can more or less say anything.. its when your PM it counts..

of course we understand how you are feeling.. pretty low because you cant really counter anything, gillards performance has been horrendous...she supported both THOMO and then slipper..I bet she is beside herself now at least one of the has been charged to appear in court..if THOMO goes the same way what does it say about her judgement???

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Reply #145 - Jan 11^th, 2013 at 7:51pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 7:31pm: