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WHEN IS THIS GOING TO STOP FFS
Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:10am

Anger over photos of Indonesian cattle cruelty
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PHOTO: Workers unload cattle by using ropes hanging around their necks in Surabaya, East Java. (AFP: Juni Kriswanto)
RELATED STORY: 'Sadistic' footage may involve Australian cattle RELATED STORY: Labor rejects push to ban live exportsRELATED STORY: Ludwig defends live exports after fresh cull footageRELATED STORY: Abattoir shut down over cruelty concernsEXTERNAL LINK: Four Corners: A Bloody Business
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Animal rights activists have denounced the "cruel" treatment of cattle in Indonesia after pictures emerged of cows being lifted by a crane from ropes tied to their heads.

It is another blow to the country's reputation for dealing with livestock following international criticism in 2011 when the ABC's Four Corners program aired footage of Indonesian abattoir workers torturing cows shipped from Australia.

The scandal prompted the Government to suspend live exports to Indonesia for a month.

In the latest pictures, taken by an AFP photographer,

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Reply #1 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:12am

FRED. wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

Anger over photos of Indonesian cattle cruelty
Updated 4 hours 5 minutes ago

PHOTO: Workers unload cattle by using ropes hanging around their necks in Surabaya, East Java. (AFP: Juni Kriswanto)
RELATED STORY: 'Sadistic' footage may involve Australian cattle RELATED STORY: Labor rejects push to ban live exportsRELATED STORY: Ludwig defends live exports after fresh cull footageRELATED STORY: Abattoir shut down over cruelty concernsEXTERNAL LINK: Four Corners: A Bloody Business
MAP: Indonesia
Animal rights activists have denounced the "cruel" treatment of cattle in Indonesia after pictures emerged of cows being lifted by a crane from ropes tied to their heads.

It is another blow to the country's reputation for dealing with livestock following international criticism in 2011 when the ABC's Four Corners program aired footage of Indonesian abattoir workers torturing cows shipped from Australia.

The scandal prompted the Government to suspend live exports to Indonesia for a month.

In the latest pictures, taken by an AFP photographer,

Another photograph shows seven live cows being lifted in a similar fashion in one group, with their necks outstretched.

The boat transporting the cattle had come from Sumbawa island, around 500 kilometres east of Surabaya, but it is not clear whether that is where the cattle were reared.

The cattle were to be transported to the capital Jakarta, according to a worker in the operation who declined to give his name.

It is not known which company was transporting the cattle.

While a large number of cattle are transported around Indonesia, an archipelago of more than 17,000 islands, it is not normal practice to lift animals up by their heads.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: WHEN IS THIS GOING TO STOP FFS Reply #2 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:15am If these b@stards want our meat, then it should always come pre-killed. If they won't take it that way, sell it to someone else, and let 'em starve.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: WHEN IS THIS GOING TO STOP FFS Reply #3 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:16am I agree with you and the only way to stop this is to reopen all the meatworks across the north of the country that closed when this cruel trade was first dreamed up and then ban all live shipments of animals from this country.
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Reply #4 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:23am

adelcrow wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

I agree with you and the only way to stop this is to reopen all the meatworks across the north of the country that closed when this cruel trade was first dreamed up and then ban all live shipments of animals from this country.

It might even *gasp, shock* create some actual JOBS for Aussies.

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Reply #5 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:24am

adelcrow wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

I agree with you and the only way to stop this is to reopen all the meatworks across the north of the country that closed when this cruel trade was first dreamed up and then ban all live shipments of animals from this country.

It wasn’t exactly “dreamed up”; the Indonesians want a “warm, wet” product, not a frozen one. Also I’m not sure how many have access to fridges/freezers/cool rooms etc.

That said, I agree, take it frozen or eat something else.

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Reply #6 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:28am

FriYAY wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

I agree with you and the only way to stop this is to reopen all the meatworks across the north of the country that closed when this cruel trade was first dreamed up and then ban all live shipments of animals from this country.

It wasn’t exactly “dreamed up”; the Indonesians want a “warm, wet” product, not a frozen one. Also I’m not sure how many have access to fridges/freezers/cool rooms etc.

That said, I agree, take it frozen or eat something else.

Maybe the exporters supply the cool rooms We build them , more jobs Wink

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Reply #7 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:28am

FriYAY wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

I agree with you and the only way to stop this is to reopen all the meatworks across the north of the country that closed when this cruel trade was first dreamed up and then ban all live shipments of animals from this country.

It wasn’t exactly “dreamed up”; the Indonesians want a “warm, wet” product, not a frozen one. Also I’m not sure how many have access to fridges/freezers/cool rooms etc.

That said, I agree, take it frozen or eat something else.

Theres no need to freeze meat when Indonesia is only a few hours flight away from our North.
We fly tonnes of stuff there every day and meat killed and flown out of Darwin on the same day only needs to be chilled like any meat sold in Australia.
PS. like in most countries across the globe just about every Indonesian has a fridge or icebox and a telly and you'll find the poor that cant afford a fridge cant afford to buy our meat anyway.

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Reply #8 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:32am

FriYAY wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

I agree with you and the only way to stop this is to reopen all the meatworks across the north of the country that closed when this cruel trade was first dreamed up and then ban all live shipments of animals from this country.

It wasn’t exactly “dreamed up”; the Indonesians want a “warm, wet” product, not a frozen one. Also I’m not sure how many have access to fridges/freezers/cool rooms etc.

That said, I agree, take it frozen or eat something else.

you are correct fri yay, exports of refridgerated meat to indonesia would not be possible as the meat would be a green festering mess of maggots before it ever got to the table,

that said, there will be more middle class (by income ) people in indonesia in 10 years than there are in oz and indonesia is growing at 8 percent and will eventually become number 5 in the world if this continues.

enormous opportunities for us, so i wouldnt offend them too much.

maybe we can organize a bunch of refridgerated vans to transport the pre killed meat around and control the whole supply chain.

BTW, aussie meatworks are fairly sickening places too.
and horse knackeries in the usa still shoot horses and if he moves his head, they sometimes shoot him more than once.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74862 Gender:	Re: WHEN IS THIS GOING TO STOP FFS Reply #9 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:33am steak is steak ... does it matter how it gets onto the plate?
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Reply #10 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:35am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:32am:

FriYAY wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

I agree with you and the only way to stop this is to reopen all the meatworks across the north of the country that closed when this cruel trade was first dreamed up and then ban all live shipments of animals from this country.

It wasn’t exactly “dreamed up”; the Indonesians want a “warm, wet” product, not a frozen one. Also I’m not sure how many have access to fridges/freezers/cool rooms etc.

That said, I agree, take it frozen or eat something else.

you are correct fri yay, exports of refridgerated meat to indonesia would not be possible as the meat would be a green festering mess of maggots before it ever got to the table,

that said, there will be more middle class (by income ) people in indonesia in 10 years than there are in oz and indonesia is growing at 8 percent and will eventually become number 5 in the world if this continues.

enormous opportunities for us, so i wouldnt offend them too much.

maybe we can organize a bunch of refridgerated vans to transport the pre killed meat around and control the whole supply chain.

BTW, aussie meatworks are fairly sickening places too.
and horse knackeries in the usa still shoot horses and if he moves his head, they sometimes shoot him more than once.

Granted.

I've worked in abattoirs.

But I never saw a single animal deliberately mistreated.

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Reply #11 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:36am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:32am:

FriYAY wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

I agree with you and the only way to stop this is to reopen all the meatworks across the north of the country that closed when this cruel trade was first dreamed up and then ban all live shipments of animals from this country.

It wasn’t exactly “dreamed up”; the Indonesians want a “warm, wet” product, not a frozen one. Also I’m not sure how many have access to fridges/freezers/cool rooms etc.

That said, I agree, take it frozen or eat something else.

you are correct fri yay, exports of refridgerated meat to indonesia would not be possible as the meat would be a green festering mess of maggots before it ever got to the table,

that said, there will be more middle class (by income ) people in indonesia in 10 years than there are in oz and indonesia is growing at 8 percent and will eventually become number 5 in the world if this continues.

enormous opportunities for us, so i wouldnt offend them too much.

maybe we can organize a bunch of refridgerated vans to transport the pre killed meat around and control the whole supply chain.

BTW, aussie meatworks are fairly sickening places too.
and horse knackeries in the usa still shoot horses and if he moves his head, they sometimes shoot him more than once.

We ship tuna to japan thats a lot further Just excuses to do nothing Angry

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: WHEN IS THIS GOING TO STOP FFS Reply #12 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:36am I still think a lot of it falls into this “warm/wet” product – not sure if it is cultural/religious – but that’s what they want.
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Reply #13 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:36am

The main problem is the cattle thats produced up north is so crap we dont buy it so they passed this rubbish off to the Indonesians as Aussie Beef.
The reason why they couldnt sell it here when the bans were on is because Aussies wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.
The producers are as much a problem as the meatworks in Indonesia and if we actually sold them packaged and chilled real Aussie Beef these Northern Cattle producers would be out of business in a flash.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: WHEN IS THIS GOING TO STOP FFS Reply #14 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:39am The issue here is - a long time ago someone decide to include animal slaughter in their holy writings like many who follow holy writings - they have not had the sense to realise things have changed I am not suggesting we should eat road-kill like the Greens do - but there is a limit
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