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Reply #105 - Mar 30th, 2013 at 6:33pm
 
The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one
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Reply #106 - Mar 30th, 2013 at 7:19pm
 
miketrees wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 6:33pm:
The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one


...and what sort of device measures "cognitive dissonance levels" ?
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Reply #107 - Mar 30th, 2013 at 9:44pm
 
What a good idea, I will make one.

Would probably need some similar workings of a lie detector.
BP, heart rate, perspiration meter, eye movement, brain wave monitor.

It can be done
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Reply #108 - Mar 30th, 2013 at 10:08pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 5:21pm:
muso wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:56pm:
Not when it is all normal. Climate is not and has never been a constant, so nothing to get excited about.


If you were bouncing up and down while driving up a rough mountain track, would you still know that you were travelling uphill, or would you say that you can't tell?


Well if hypothetically you were Mr Andrew Bolt or Lord Monckton, you would pre-select a handful of bumps that felt like you were travelling down hill. Any data that supports an upward motion would be ignored on the basis that it doesn't fit EXXON's formal thesis and threatens their profit margins going forward

If you wanted to carry out a serious and honest investigation into the matter, you could consider looking at ALL the data you have, and any other indirect effects as well as compare this data to the latest scientific theories and established scientific principles.

I am sure Mr Bolt has done this.

You can trust Mr Bolt

He is paid to tell the truth

I suppose what we could do, is look at the hill that seems pretty flat in terms of my thought of what a hill should look like for my agenda.

What I would do is take some dirt from the beginning of the hill and slowly, through monthly updates, build up the hill to a higher level with the dirt taken from the bottom.

What I will end up with is a good incline.

At this point, we hand it over to climate scientists to get them to model their empirical data on.

Oh wait, they already do it like that.
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Reply #109 - Mar 30th, 2013 at 10:56pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 10:08pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 5:21pm:
muso wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:56pm:
Not when it is all normal. Climate is not and has never been a constant, so nothing to get excited about.


If you were bouncing up and down while driving up a rough mountain track, would you still know that you were travelling uphill, or would you say that you can't tell?


Well if hypothetically you were Mr Andrew Bolt or Lord Monckton, you would pre-select a handful of bumps that felt like you were travelling down hill. Any data that supports an upward motion would be ignored on the basis that it doesn't fit EXXON's formal thesis and threatens their profit margins going forward

If you wanted to carry out a serious and honest investigation into the matter, you could consider looking at ALL the data you have, and any other indirect effects as well as compare this data to the latest scientific theories and established scientific principles.

I am sure Mr Bolt has done this.

You can trust Mr Bolt

He is paid to tell the truth

I suppose what we could do, is look at the hill that seems pretty flat in terms of my thought of what a hill should look like for my agenda.

What I would do is take some dirt from the beginning of the hill and slowly, through monthly updates, build up the hill to a higher level with the dirt taken from the bottom.

What I will end up with is a good incline.

At this point, we hand it over to climate scientists to get them to model their empirical data on.

Oh wait, they already do it like that.

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Reply #110 - Mar 30th, 2013 at 11:05pm
 
Emma wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 10:56pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 10:08pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 5:21pm:
muso wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:56pm:
Not when it is all normal. Climate is not and has never been a constant, so nothing to get excited about.


If you were bouncing up and down while driving up a rough mountain track, would you still know that you were travelling uphill, or would you say that you can't tell?


Well if hypothetically you were Mr Andrew Bolt or Lord Monckton, you would pre-select a handful of bumps that felt like you were travelling down hill. Any data that supports an upward motion would be ignored on the basis that it doesn't fit EXXON's formal thesis and threatens their profit margins going forward

If you wanted to carry out a serious and honest investigation into the matter, you could consider looking at ALL the data you have, and any other indirect effects as well as compare this data to the latest scientific theories and established scientific principles.

I am sure Mr Bolt has done this.

You can trust Mr Bolt

He is paid to tell the truth

I suppose what we could do, is look at the hill that seems pretty flat in terms of my thought of what a hill should look like for my agenda.

What I would do is take some dirt from the beginning of the hill and slowly, through monthly updates, build up the hill to a higher level with the dirt taken from the bottom.

What I will end up with is a good incline.

At this point, we hand it over to climate scientists to get them to model their empirical data on.

Oh wait, they already do it like that.


Why? I am comfortable.
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Reply #111 - Mar 30th, 2013 at 11:06pm
 
this hill? 

Huh  an incline after lots of elbow greaassse??

Is it leading up-hill?/.. and does that mean warmer..??. or down hill,  and that means cooler??

or is it vice versa??   Smiley

sorry Muso.. but you make a valid point... 

none of us are likely to have  sufficient access to data,  and sufficient objectivity to look impasssionately at that data,  to arrive at the correct view..   Smiley

we shall have to wait and see .. won't we??

seeing as we seem to be basically incapable of recognising, acknowledging, and acting on that ... Roll Eyes
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Reply #112 - Mar 30th, 2013 at 11:16pm
 
Emma wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 11:06pm:
this hill? 

Huh  an incline after lots of elbow greaassse??

Is it leading up-hill?/.. and does that mean warmer..??. or down hill,  and that means cooler??

or is it vice versa??   Smiley

sorry Muso.. but you make a valid point... 

none of us are likely to have  sufficient access to data,  and sufficient objectivity to look impasssionately at that data,  to arrive at the correct view..   Smiley

we shall have to wait and see .. won't we??

seeing as we seem to be basically incapable of recognising, acknowledging, and acting on that ... Roll Eyes

Well, I didnt reveal, but I dont really ever finish the hill. So we have to keep our concentration toward the top of the hill, coming from your original position.
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Reply #113 - Mar 30th, 2013 at 11:21pm
 
WELL

you cannot deny

what goes up must come down...  Smiley
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Reply #114 - Mar 30th, 2013 at 11:28pm
 
Come on, love, don’t be like that.
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Reply #115 - Mar 30th, 2013 at 11:59pm
 
'fraid so Karnal.

dems jus  de fax off lave..
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Reply #116 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:07am
 
Emma wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 11:21pm:
WELL

you cannot deny

what goes up must come down...  Smiley

Good answer. We will just need to inform the climate science gatekeepers. They are in a bit of an unnecassary pickle it would seem. Their science seems to be indicating the opposite.

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Reply #117 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 8:29pm
 
Australian climate has shifted for good: scientists


TONY EASTLEY: The nation's top climate scientists and science bodies have for the first time endorsed a report that says the climate in Australia has already shifted.

The peer reviewed assessment says there is "strong consensus" around its central finding and it notes that in some cases the weather has "changed for good".

With the report warning of greater risks of more intense and severe weather, emergency services may have to rethink their strategies.

Here's environment reporter Sarah Clarke.

SARAH CLARKE: Last summer was by all means a record breaker. One-hundred and twenty-three were broken in 90 days. As well as heat waves and unprecedented temperatures there was heavy rainfall and major flooding.

But according to the Climate Commission this wasn't a one-off. In its most comprehensive assessment yet it says Australia has a future of records yet to be broken and "in some cases day-to-day weather has shifted for good".

Will Steffen is the report author.

WILL STEFFEN: Well what we see is a pattern emerging that the south-west of Western Australia and the south-east of Australia have become drier - the south-west since about the mid 1970s; the south-east since about the mid 1990s. And there's a similarity in pattern. They're both becoming drier in the cooler months of the year.

That tells us in the future we would expect to see dry conditions more often. And very importantly, we do not expect to see the previous pre-climate change weather conditions come back.

SARAH CLARKE: The planet's changing for good, to a certain extent.

WILL STEFFEN: Well for a long period of time. The best we can hope for I think - at least in the terms of our children and grandchildren - is to stabilise the climate.

But we will stabilise it at a temperature that probably is two degrees or more above the pre-industrial. That means some changes and patterns will lock in probably for centuries.

SARAH CLARKE: In this report the Climate Commission looks at droughts, tropical cyclones and sea level rise, as well as heatwaves, bushfires and heavy rainfall.

While it says the number of tropical cyclones won't increase, the influence of climate change means they will become more intense.

It also says one in 100 year flooding events are already becoming more common and sea level rise has already risen by 20 centimetres since 1880.


While there are still some questions raised about global warming and its influence, all the top climate scientists in Australia have backed this report - as well as the CSIRO, the Bureau of Meteorology and the UN's chief science body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Professor Tim Flannery is a member of the Climate Commission.

TIM FLANNERY: I think it's really important that people understand where the debate is in climate science and where it isn't. And when you get a group like this that's endorsing or supporting this report in detail, I think that sends an important message that the scientific community is clear about these facts that we've laid out in the report.

SARAH CLARKE: With the report warning of greater risks of more intense and severe weather now, that has the emergency services bodies reassessing their plan of attack.

Paul Considine is from the Australasian Fire and Emergency Service Authorities Council.

PAUL CONSIDINE: We now need to sit down and have a think, not just in isolation but together with our governments and together with the communities that we serve, how we may need to react to these predicted future events.

TONY EASTLEY: Paul Considine from the Australasian Fire and Emergency Service Authorities Council; the report from Sarah Clarke.

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http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3728473.htm
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I would suggest that the phrase "the weather has "changed for good", should probably have read "the weather is "changing, end of story!"
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Reply #118 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 8:59pm
 
Andrew Bolt will know what to do


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Reply #119 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 10:17pm
 
no surprise no surprise

it.. the latest assessment has  hit the media.. and no surprise no surprise...   its bad...

and another... no surprise... is that some people are still clinging in desperation to the idea ... that it's all a conspiracy..!! Grin Grin Grin Grin

isn't that right  P Lolly??   Smiley Huh Roll Eyes
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