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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #150 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 5:25pm:

What troubles you about the causal link between rising CO2 levels and thermal retention rates of the Earth?

The lack of credible, reliable evidence.

And how have you arrived at this conclusion of Evidence lacking and Unreliability?

List the sources which you have consulted and researched that has enabled you stand behind that assessment of the evidence

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #152 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:19pm

[quote author=Chimp_Logic link=1357653105/150#150 date=1365667883
List the sources which you have consulted and researched that has enabled you stand behind that assessment of the evidence [/quote]

Sorry old chum: it doesn't work like that.

If you want to put forward a hypothesis, you're the one who needs to provide some evidence.

I can provide a list for you, but you'll just say it's "BS" anyway.

No, I'm afraid you can't wriggle out of your predicament that easily my friend.

I'm not supporting a hypothesis: you are. Thus, you're the one who needs to come up with the goods.

The onus is on you.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #153 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

[quote author=Chimp_Logic link=1357653105/150#150 date=1365667883
List the sources which you have consulted and researched that has enabled you stand behind that assessment of the evidence

Sorry old chum: it doesn't work like that.

If you want to put forward a hypothesis, you're the one who needs to provide some evidence.

I can provide a list for you, but you'll just say it's "BS" anyway.

No, I'm afraid you can't wriggle out of your predicament that easily my friend.

I'm not supporting a hypothesis: you are. Thus, you're the one who needs to come up with the goods.

The onus is on you.

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I see

so you don't have any solid basis for dismissing the simple high school level science that underpins AGW??

Do you dismiss everything the scientific process generates on the same basis - ie your political bias and paranoia about taxes and secret societies and backroom deals?

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Get used to record-breaking heat Reply #154 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:27pm DID YOU WITNESS THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN? OUR SUPREME GREGORYPECKARY REQUIRES SCIENCE TO CONVINCE HIM EVEN THOUGH HE REFUSES TO EXAMINE THE EVIDENCE WHAT IS THAT CALLED AGAIN? YES THATS RIGHT - DENIALISM IN ITS PURIST FORM
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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #155 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:32pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

I see

so you don't have any solid basis for dismissing the simple high school level science that underpins AGW??

I certainly do have a solid basis for being sceptical of the AGW hypothesis .

I've explained it to you already.

I'll type it slowly this time so you can keep up.

Ready ... ?

There is no credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis.

Once again, in case you missed it: no ... credible ... reliable ... evidence.

So, now the onus is on you to provide some.

Good luck.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #156 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:32pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

I see

so you don't have any solid basis for dismissing the simple high school level science that underpins AGW??

I certainly do have a solid basis for being sceptical of the AGW hypothesis .

You are sceptical???? - I doubt whether you have comprehended the genuine meaning of the word "scepticism"

Science is founded upon scepticism - it drives science.

You're confusing scepticism with Denialism

Only one of these is a dogmatic crack pot cult religion

Can you guess which one?

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #157 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:32pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

I see

so you don't have any solid basis for dismissing the simple high school level science that underpins AGW??

I certainly do have a solid basis for being sceptical of the AGW hypothesis .

I've explained it to you already.

I'll type it slowly this time so you can keep up.

Ready ... ?

There is no credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis.

Once again, in case you missed it: no ... credible ... reliable ... evidence.

So, now the onus is on you to provide some.

Good luck.

Still a denier Greggery?

You have been shown credible reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis on many occasions.

You simply deny it.

You can explain what is not credible or not reliable about it.

You simply deny it.

You are a denier.

Let's try again shall we?

Here is a paper which provides credible and reliable evidence that changes in the outgoing spectrum of radiation agrees with those expected from known changes in the concentrations of well-mixed greenhouse gases over this period.
Spectral signatures of climate change in the Earth’s infrared spectrum between 1970 and 2006
http://www.eumetsat.int/Home/Main/Publications/Conference_and_Workshop_Proceedin...

Could you explain to us what is not "credible" or "reliable" about this evidence Greggery?

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #158 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:46pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

You are sceptical????

Yes.

And so should you be.

AGW is merely the currently accepted hypothesis.

And, there's no credible, reliable evidence to support it.

I'm denying nothing my friend.

Climate changes. Nobody I've seen in here denies that.

And your little hypothesis may indeed be correct, however, currently there is no credible, reliable evidence to support it.

That may change in the future though. You see, unlike the AGW alarmists, I have an open mind on the subject.

I'm an open-minded sceptic, monkey boy.

Hard for a closed-minded cult follower to understand, I know. But there it is.

'Currently accepted hypothesis': nothing more.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137588 Gender:	Re: Get used to record-breaking heat Reply #159 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:48pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:45pm: You have been shown credible reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis on many occasions. Nope. I've seen lots of evidence, for sure. None of it credible or reliable. I'll keep an open mind though (you should try that one day).
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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #160 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 7:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

You are sceptical????

Yes.

And so should you be.

AGW is merely the currently accepted hypothesis.

And, there's no credible, reliable evidence to support it.

I'm denying nothing my friend.

Climate changes. Nobody I've seen in here denies that.

And your little hypothesis may indeed be correct, however, currently there is no credible, reliable evidence to support it.

That may change in the future though. You see, unlike the AGW alarmists, I have an open mind on the subject.

I'm an open-minded sceptic monkey boy.

Hard for a closed-minded cult follower to understand, I know. But there it is.

'Currently accepted hypothesis': nothing more.

The last 30 years of rapid global warming has not been seen since about 55 million years ago, when a mass clathratic methane and permafrost release occurred. And this event that occurred 55 million years ago produced global warming rates that were very much lower than what has been measured in the past 30 years.

You may need to venture even further back to see such rapid thermal retention rates - to the KT boundary event, that occurred about 65 million years - an asteroid impact event that wiped out the dinosaurs and about 95% of the earths species.

It seems as through you live in your little cosy ignorant religious cult of Denialism and need a massive asteroid to hurtle down from space and slam into your head before you open your eyes and pay attention to the facts.

What are scientists telling the world about what is driving this unprecedented warming rate the earth has undergone over the past half a dozen decades?

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #161 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 7:31pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 7:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

You are sceptical????

Yes.

And so should you be.

AGW is merely the currently accepted hypothesis.

And, there's no credible, reliable evidence to support it.

I'm denying nothing my friend.

Climate changes. Nobody I've seen in here denies that.

And your little hypothesis may indeed be correct, however, currently there is no credible, reliable evidence to support it.

That may change in the future though. You see, unlike the AGW alarmists, I have an open mind on the subject.

I'm an open-minded sceptic monkey boy.

Hard for a closed-minded cult follower to understand, I know. But there it is.

'Currently accepted hypothesis': nothing more.

The last 30 years of rapid global warming has not been seen since about 55 million years ago, when a mass clathratic methane and permafrost release occurred. And this event that occurred 55 million years ago produced global warming rates that were very much lower than what has been measured in the past 30 years.

You may need to venture even further back to see such rapid thermal retention rates - to the KT boundary event, that occurred about 65 million years - an asteroid impact event that wiped out the dinosaurs and about 95% of the earths species.

It seems as through you live in your little cosy ignorant religious cult of Denialism and need a massive asteroid to hurtle down from space and slam into your head before you open your eyes and pay attention to the facts.

What are scientists telling the world about what is driving this unprecedented warming rate the earth has undergone over the past half a dozen decades?

What scientists? Where? Who? Show us the evidence it is your hypothesis after all..

As per - http://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=3

Fact: The HadCRUT3 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, warming to 1941, cooling to 1964, warming to 1998 and cooling through 2011. The warming rate from 1964 to 1998 was the same as the previous warming from 1911 to 1941. Satellites, weather balloons and ground stations all show cooling since 2001. The mild warming of 0.6 to 0.8 C over the 20th century is well within the natural variations recorded in the last millennium. The ground station network suffers from an uneven distribution across the globe; the stations are preferentially located in growing urban and industrial areas ("heat islands"), which show substantially higher readings than adjacent rural areas ("land use effects"). Two science teams have shown that correcting the surface temperature record for the effects of urban development would reduce the reported warming trend over land from 1980 by half.

There has been no catastrophic warming recorded.

Looks like the bunny and a monkey deny reality.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #162 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 7:46pm

Rider wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 7:31pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 7:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

You are sceptical????

Yes.

And so should you be.

AGW is merely the currently accepted hypothesis.

And, there's no credible, reliable evidence to support it.

I'm denying nothing my friend.

Climate changes. Nobody I've seen in here denies that.

And your little hypothesis may indeed be correct, however, currently there is no credible, reliable evidence to support it.

That may change in the future though. You see, unlike the AGW alarmists, I have an open mind on the subject.

I'm an open-minded sceptic monkey boy.

Hard for a closed-minded cult follower to understand, I know. But there it is.

'Currently accepted hypothesis': nothing more.

The last 30 years of rapid global warming has not been seen since about 55 million years ago, when a mass clathratic methane and permafrost release occurred. And this event that occurred 55 million years ago produced global warming rates that were very much lower than what has been measured in the past 30 years.

You may need to venture even further back to see such rapid thermal retention rates - to the KT boundary event, that occurred about 65 million years - an asteroid impact event that wiped out the dinosaurs and about 95% of the earths species.

It seems as through you live in your little cosy ignorant religious cult of Denialism and need a massive asteroid to hurtle down from space and slam into your head before you open your eyes and pay attention to the facts.

What are scientists telling the world about what is driving this unprecedented warming rate the earth has undergone over the past half a dozen decades?

What scientists? Where? Who? Show us the evidence it is your hypothesis after all..

As per - http://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=3

Fact: The HadCRUT3 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, warming to 1941, cooling to 1964, warming to 1998 and cooling through 2011. The warming rate from 1964 to 1998 was the same as the previous warming from 1911 to 1941. Satellites, weather balloons and ground stations all show cooling since 2001. The mild warming of 0.6 to 0.8 C over the 20th century is well within the natural variations recorded in the last millennium. The ground station network suffers from an uneven distribution across the globe; the stations are preferentially located in growing urban and industrial areas ("heat islands"), which show substantially higher readings than adjacent rural areas ("land use effects"). Two science teams have shown that correcting the surface temperature record for the effects of urban development would reduce the reported warming trend over land from 1980 by half.

There has been no catastrophic warming recorded.

Looks like the bunny and a monkey deny reality.

The MET office soon enough (after pushing and outing them) will have to admit that there has been no statistical unprecidented warming in the 20 to 21st century.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #163 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 8:14pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 7:07pm:

It seems as through you live in your little cosy ignorant religious cult of Denialism and need a massive asteroid to hurtle down from space and slam into your head before you open your eyes and pay attention to the facts.

That's exactly what I do pay attention to: "facts".

And, as you and I both know, AGW is merely a hypothesis.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137588 Gender:	Re: Get used to record-breaking heat Reply #164 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 8:42pm Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 6:38pm: Only one of these is a dogmatic crack pot cult religion Can you guess which one? Too easy, chump.
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