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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #195 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 12:18am
 
muso wrote on Apr 12th, 2013 at 9:30pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 12th, 2013 at 8:02pm:
Muso, that sounds almost as vague as the ultimate hypothesis itself. Co2.



It's complex, not vague.  The strawman that you continually knock down is a simplistic representation of climate science.

The reality is complex. Nobody is denying that.

The only simple empirical factors that come into play are the conservation of energy and Le Chatelier's Principle.

In other words

1. All that extra energy from the enhanced greenhouse effect must be doing something regardless of how you look at it, and

2. Any change in the status quo prompts an opposing reaction in the responding system.

That extra energy does not operate in a closed system.
Can you define the responding system?
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Reply #196 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 1:06am
 
Speaking of Get used to record-breaking heat

And my other thread "sounds familar" comes this from 1923

Is the North Pole Going to Melt entirely? asks Newspaper in 1923


As the northern melt and polar bear worrying season gets underway, a timely reminder of the repetitive nature of ‘unprecedented’ climate happenings. H/T ‘IluvCO2′

NORTH POLE MELTING. CHANGE OF CLIMATE. MANY GLACIERS VANISHED.
Northern Star (Lismore, NSW : 1876 – 1954) Thursday 5 April 1923



Is the North Pole going to melt entirely? Are the Arctic regions warming up with prospect of a great climatic change in that part of the world? Science is asking these questions (says “Popular Science Siftings”). Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers who sail the seas around Spitsbergen and the Eastern Arctic all point to a radical change in climatic conditions, with hitherto unheard-of high temperatures on that part of the earth’s surface. Observations to that effect have covered the last five years during which the warmth has been steadily increasing. In August the Norwegian Department of Commerce sent an expedition to Spitsbergen and Bear Island under the leadership of Dr. Adolf Hoel, professor of geology in the University of Christiania, the object in view being to survey and chart areas productive of coal and other minerals.



The expedition sailed as far north as 81 deg. 29 min. N. latitude in ice free water. Such a thing, hitherto, would have been deemed impossible. The United States Consul at Bergen, Norway, Mr. Ifft, also reports the recent extra-ordinary warmth in the Arctic. He quotes incidentally the statements of Captain Martin Ingebrigstsen, a mariner who has sailed those seas for fifty-four years. The captain says that he first noted an unusual warmth in 1918; and since then temperatures have risen steadily higher. Today the eastern Arctic is “hardly recognisable as the same region of 1868 to 1917.

Many of the old landmarks are greatly altered, or no longer exist. Where formerly there were great masses of ice, these have melted away, leaving behind them accumulations of earth and stones such as geologists call “moraines.” At many points where glaciers extended far into the sea half a dozen years ago they have now entirely disappeared. The change in temperature has brought great changes in the plant and animal life of the Arctic. Formerly vast shoals of whitefish were found in the waters round Spitzbergen, but last summer the fishermen sought them in vain.

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http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2013/04/12/is-the-north-pole-going-to-melt-entire...
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Reply #197 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 1:15am
 
With the above, it is interesting to view the graph below couple with the observations of warming change ever since 1918 in the article.

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Reply #198 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 1:15am
 
Panic merchants have been selling their wares for centuries to the gullible.
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Reply #199 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 1:19am
 
Political Animal wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 1:15am:
Panic merchants have been selling their wares for centuries to the gullible.

It would seem so.
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Reply #200 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 1:28am
 
With the article observation that warming began around 1918. The graph that shows solar irradiance went up markedly from around 1920 and the drop off around 2000 and the IPCC admitting that

Solar Warming May be Greater Than Thought
and peer-reviewed papers stating such.

Information leaked from a report compiled by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) indicates that heat from the sun may play a larger role in increasing the Earth’s temperatures than previously thought.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/14426-un-report-admits-solar...
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Reply #201 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 2:04am
 
That won't fit the alarmist point of view. They have been trying to latch onto anything that will bring down industrialisation and capitalism since Rome using the tried and true method of "anything is better than what we have now even though we haven't lived it- but it sounds really nice so it must work"

So they did the exact opposite of science and utilised the environment to do it because they knew proof in complex systems on a global scale is impossible to substantiate.

Like most environmental issues, they searched for a problem and related it to a human component for control and monetary reasons, desperately needing to tie human activity to some form of harm which is relatively easy to do when you exclude humans from the environment and look at us as not part of it.

So where did they look? Energy consumption. The building block of economics and prosperity, focused on a trace gas and built a narrative around it.

Unfortunately, they didn't predict that nature decided not to follow along and now that they are unable to manipulate the data to fit the narrative they are furiously rewriting the narrative.
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Reply #202 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 7:42am
 
Political Animal wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 1:15am:
Panic merchants have been selling their wares for centuries to the gullible.

Why would the entire scientific community in the world panic?

Why would the corporations in the fossil fuel industry panic?

You're cult is not only delusional, its becoming desperate with lies and deceptions.

Keep reading Andrew bolt garbage and use his propaganda as precedence over the entire global scientific community.

I can't seem to find anything in the peer reviewed scientific literature that supports your stance

Funny that isn't it?

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Reply #203 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 7:44am
 
Political Animal wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 2:04am:
That won't fit the alarmist point of view. They have been trying to latch onto anything that will bring down industrialisation and capitalism since Rome using the tried and true method of "anything is better than what we have now even though we haven't lived it- but it sounds really nice so it must work"

So they did the exact opposite of science and utilised the environment to do it because they knew proof in complex systems on a global scale is impossible to substantiate.

Like most environmental issues, they searched for a problem and related it to a human component for control and monetary reasons, desperately needing to tie human activity to some form of harm which is relatively easy to do when you exclude humans from the environment and look at us as not part of it.

So where did they look? Energy consumption. The building block of economics and prosperity, focused on a trace gas and built a narrative around it.

Unfortunately, they didn't predict that nature decided not to follow along and now that they are unable to manipulate the data to fit the narrative they are furiously rewriting the narrative.


Publish your DENIALISM in peer reviewed scientific literature

What are you afraid of you freak clown puppet corporatist
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Reply #204 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 10:43am
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 7:42am:
Why would the entire scientific community in the world panic?



Not sure, but seeing as that's not happening I have to wonder why you would even ask such a silly question.

And then, I'd have to ask you why you think scientific consensus is an argument, or even part of the scientific method.

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Reply #205 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 12:00pm
 
...there is that putrid foul actor stench again

Does anyone in here know who is dragging in these foul wafts of acrid nostril singes?

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Reply #206 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 12:11pm
 
List any international scientific organisation, academic institution, research body, STATE, Corporation etc that refutes the high school level science that underpins anthropogenically driven global warming trends and REJECTS the urgency in mitigating global Carbon emissions in order to avert future climate driven catastrophies.

Now surely if the Denialist priests are claiming that the data sets are unreliable and inconclusive, and that there is a massive debate going on in the scientific community concerning the validity of AGW, they should be able to point to who is on the other side (apart from Andrew Bolt and Lord Monckton of course)

GOOD LUCK WITH THE HOMEWORK


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Reply #207 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 12:14pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 7:42am:
Why would the entire scientific community in the world panic?



Why do you think scientific consensus is an argument, or even part of the scientific method?
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Reply #208 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 12:21pm
 
greggorypeckarry has become a parrot and evader as well as a clown denialist puppet freak leach

I wonder why he is afraid to answer that simple question

Surely mr gregorrypeckarry has some solid foundation for his priesthood and temple worshipping other that his crack pot mentors Bolt and Monckton?

Surely this fickle trivial man can produce something of substance

Anything at all

something ladies and gentlemen

something thought out, and considered.

anything

a smear of excrement perhaps ?

something - anything at all

surely he isn't hiding his evidence from the world?

Surely he has something?

This leach freak deceiver of ignorance and arrogance who frequents the internet into to dump his corporate lies and pathetic viewpoints
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Reply #209 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 12:21pm
 
List any international scientific organisation, academic institution, research body, STATE, Corporation etc that refutes the high school level science that underpins anthropogenically driven global warming trends and REJECTS the urgency in mitigating global Carbon emissions in order to avert future climate driven catastrophies.

Now surely if the Denialist priests are claiming that the data sets are unreliable and inconclusive, and that there is a massive debate going on in the scientific community concerning the validity of AGW, they should be able to point to who is on the other side (apart from Andrew Bolt and Lord Monckton of course)

GOOD LUCK WITH THE HOMEWORK

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