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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #270 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:20pm

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 6:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

And yet we still don't know why you think scientific consensus is an argument, or even part of the scientific method?

Good point. Do you believe in the hypothesis that the Sun still exists at night? Is that even part of the scientific method? Just answer.

Totally irrelevant.

It's an observable fact that the sun still exists at night.

Have you seen the sun at night?

Yes.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #271 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:20pm

Oh No!!!

The persistent repetitive onslaught of unidirectional pressure is exhausting and unbearable ladies and gentlemen

How can anyone possibly survive the avalanche of psycho-intensive threat and probing?

In the meanwhile the earth cooks in its own juices like a frying battered squid on a Mediterranean island eatery

BUT WAIT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!!

The Denialist Priests will save everyone with their corporate worship and protection of the unaccountable criminal elite as they syphon the earths natural resources and transform them into concentrated profit and social carnage

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #272 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:23pm

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 6:29pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 11:56am:

You're obviously having difficult answering these questions.

OK. What if I told you that there is no empirical evidence that the Earth orbits the Sun?

As a believer in the heliocentric solar system(an HSS believer) , how would you (personally) show that the Earth orbits the sun?

You're not allowed to take anything on trust. Just because somebody says something about aberration or some such thing, it's not empirical evidence. They could be part of a world-wide conspiracy for all you know.

Here are some resources for you:

Of course, maybe you don't think that the Earth orbits the Sun.

Even the video shows that earth is orbiting the sun. The sun may orbit something else, but the planets are still orbiting the sun. Orbiting with the suns and planets other orbital force. A duel orbital affect on the planets.

I have seen this theory and find it plausable and no need to discount it for this question.

It's an extension of the theory that the Earth orbits the sun. So, since you find it plausible, I take it that your belief is based on trust - or do you have alternative evidence ?

Hint: The fact that the video shows the Earth orbiting the Sun is not considered evidence.

No, the mathematical equations for the movements of the planets gives us the confidence in the empirical data that we will be at dot and the sun will be at dot and mercury will be at dot, in the future.

I bet AGW cant pinpoint the climate past my nose, let alone have any confidence at all compared to giving us mathematically accurate predictions of where the planets will be at any given time 100's of years in advance.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #273 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:25pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 6:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

And yet we still don't know why you think scientific consensus is an argument, or even part of the scientific method?

Good point. Do you believe in the hypothesis that the Sun still exists at night? Is that even part of the scientific method? Just answer.

Totally irrelevant.

It's an observable fact that the sun still exists at night.

Have you seen the sun at night?

Yes.

If this it what you're talking about, I'm hoping to see that in a few months myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_sun

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #274 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 6:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

And yet we still don't know why you think scientific consensus is an argument, or even part of the scientific method?

Good point. Do you believe in the hypothesis that the Sun still exists at night? Is that even part of the scientific method? Just answer.

Totally irrelevant.

It's an observable fact that the sun still exists at night.

Have you seen the sun at night?

Yes.

If this it what you're talking about, I'm hoping to see that in a few months myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_sun

No, although cool, I was talking about technology giving us that ability.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #275 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:41pm

Oh No!!!

The persistent repetitive onslaught of unidirectional pressure is exhausting and unbearable ladies and gentlemen

How can anyone possibly survive the avalanche of psycho-intensive threat and probing?

In the meanwhile the earth cooks in its own juices like a frying battered squid on a Mediterranean island eatery

BUT WAIT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!!

The Denialist Priests will save everyone with their corporate worship and protection of the unaccountable criminal elite as they syphon the earths natural resources and transform them into concentrated profit and social carnage

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #276 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:43pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 6:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

And yet we still don't know why you think scientific consensus is an argument, or even part of the scientific method?

Good point. Do you believe in the hypothesis that the Sun still exists at night? Is that even part of the scientific method? Just answer.

Totally irrelevant.

It's an observable fact that the sun still exists at night.

Have you seen the sun at night?

Yes.

If this it what you're talking about, I'm hoping to see that in a few months myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_sun

No, although cool, I was talking about technology giving us that ability.

Yep.

I guess we can all agree, it was a strange question.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #277 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 8:12pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

In the meanwhile the earth cooks in its own juices like a frying battered squid on a Mediterranean island eatery

Another prime example of why the AGW alarmists can't be taken seriously.

" ... the earth cooks in its own juices like a frying battered squid on a Mediterranean island eatery ... "

It must be horrible to live one's life in such irrational fear.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #278 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 8:38pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

No, the mathematical equations for the movements of the planets gives us the confidence in the empirical data that we will be at dot and the sun will be at dot and mercury will be at dot, in the future.

I bet AGW cant pinpoint the climate past my nose, let alone have any confidence at all compared to giving us mathematically accurate predictions of where the planets will be at any given time 100's of years in advance.

Ah - the mathematical models will predict it. I see.

- but the mathematical models are just a mathematical description of what we think is the reality. You can't deduce anything from the mathematical model without some factual basis.

So, how do you actually know that the earth orbits the Sun?

Where is the empirical data?

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #279 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 8:51pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:43pm:

Yep.

I guess we can all agree, it was a strange question.

Night is defined as he period of darkness in each twenty-four hours. Obviously if the sun doesn't set, there is no night. Haven't you heard the expression that the days are getting longer?

It's not possible to see the sun at night without some kind of technology. How can you trust the technology? How do you know that it isn't some kind of scientific conspiracy?

The only evidence that the sun still exists at night is technology based. There is no empirical evidence that the sun is not rekindled every morning, as it orbits the Earth, which, incidentally is flat.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #280 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 8:52pm

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 8:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:43pm:

Yep.

I guess we can all agree, it was a strange question.

Night is defined as he period of darkness in each twenty-four hours. Obviously if the sun doesn't set, there is no night.

It's not possible to see the sun at night without some kind of technology. How can you trust the technology? How do you know that it isn't some kind of scientific conspiracy?

The only evidence that the sun still exists at night is technology based. There is no empirical evidence that the sun is not reborn every morning, as it orbits the Earth, which, incidentally is flat.

If that's what you want to believe, good luck to you.

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Reply #281 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:04pm

I'm making a point. We take technology for granted. Using that technology, there is certainly empirical evidence that shows that the obsorption of Long Wave Infrared radiation from the Earth has increased between the 1970's and the present day.

There is also direct spectroscopic evidence that shows that carbon dioxide absorbs Long Wave Infrared radiation.

If we dismiss the scientific basis and the technology, it can lead us to all kinds of strange conclusions.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #282 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:09pm

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

No, the mathematical equations for the movements of the planets gives us the confidence in the empirical data that we will be at dot and the sun will be at dot and mercury will be at dot, in the future.

I bet AGW cant pinpoint the climate past my nose, let alone have any confidence at all compared to giving us mathematically accurate predictions of where the planets will be at any given time 100's of years in advance.

Ah - the mathematical models will predict it. I see.

- but the mathematical models are just a mathematical description of what we think is the reality. You can't deduce anything from the mathematical model without some factual basis.

So, how do you actually know that the earth orbits the Sun?

Where is the empirical data?

I have already stated what a good theory is compared to a bad. In science, there is no concensus, there is no right answer, it just isnt wrong yet.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #283 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:14pm

muso wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

I'm making a point. We take technology for granted. Using that technology, there is certainly empirical evidence that shows that the obsorption of Long Wave Infrared radiation from the Earth has increased between the 1970's and the present day.

There is also direct spectroscopic evidence that shows that carbon dioxide absorbs Long Wave Infrared radiation.

If we dismiss the scientific basis and the technology, it can lead us to all kinds of strange conclusions.

You seem to be off on something though. What you speak of isnt really disputed by skeptics. What is is the feedbacks.

It is stated by many skeptic scientists that the earth would indeed warm with the theory you just stated, but will only warm up 1 degree for a doubling of co2. Not scary. What is scary is all the assumptions that are not emprically measured so far and are disputed on all or most of the feedback theories.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #284 - Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:44pm

Ok I have seen the rainfall disappear here in the west, I need no convincing of climate change.

So if there are going to be winners and losers from climate change (my speculation)

Where is a good place to migrate to in or out of Australia for the future?

The skeptics need not worry about moving, but I will consider it.

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