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Reply #45 - Jan 19th, 2013 at 11:11pm
 
around 10 yrs ago,  approx..  maybe 20  Roll Eyes

it was so hot here  for a couple of days that the spiders living in my eaves were dangling dead on their webs. Never seen that before, or since,  here in SEQ,,  but ... have no doubt I'll be seeing it again.

I pay little real attention to statistics,  they're too easily manipulated to reflect points of view.

That anyone could deny the reality of climate change eludes me. Well ..intelligent anyones anyway.

As for the snow in the UK etc...  the Earth must balance these things out... isn't that obvious??

The hotter it is in one hemisphere, the colder it'll get in the other.
That's obvious to me...  why is it hard to grasp>?

The Earth is still striving to mitigate the effects of our human growth....  and , as we are only just beginning to see the fruits (poisons) of our labors,
you can only expect it to get worse.
Emissions from human activities, right now,  won't come to fruition for many yrs to come.... in terms of ecological impact on our home. 

Seems we won't go out with a bang.....
more like ...dying of lymphoma.  Sad 


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Reply #46 - Jan 19th, 2013 at 11:19pm
 
Emma wrote on Jan 19th, 2013 at 11:11pm:
That anyone could deny the reality of climate change eludes me.




Who is denying climate change?

Seriously?

I've never heard of anyone denying climate change.

What on Earth are you talking about?

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Reply #47 - Jan 19th, 2013 at 11:36pm
 
what am I talking about??

Can you read, and comprehend?
I'll say it again

The hotter it is in one hemisphere, the colder it'll get in the other.
That's obvious to me...  why is it hard to grasp>?

The Earth is still striving to mitigate the effects of our human growth....  and , as we are only just beginning to see the fruits (poisons) of our labors,
you can only expect it to get worse.
Emissions from human activities, right now,  won't come to fruition for many yrs to come.... in terms of ecological impact on our home. 


Just because you fail to acknowledge a correlation between human population, and climate change, matters not.

Thats what gets me about people like you.

Doh... how could the presence of billions upon billions of humans ...growing at an ever increasing rate over the last ,say, two hundred years have anything to do with the climate.??  DOH//  we did nuffin'.... not my fault... it is perfectly natural. !!

Well YES it is perfectly natural, given the burden of our pollution , for the consequences to be felt.... Do you honestly say,  that you believe that  WE have had no role ??

WHY? How could anyone truly believe that?? 
'Cos we're God's children???

Well look what we've done..
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Reply #48 - Jan 19th, 2013 at 11:59pm
 
Emma wrote on Jan 19th, 2013 at 11:11pm:
around 10 yrs ago,  approx..  maybe 20  Roll Eyes

it was so hot here  for a couple of days that the spiders living in my eaves were dangling dead on their webs. Never seen that before, or since,  here in SEQ,,  but ... have no doubt I'll be seeing it again.

I pay little real attention to statistics,  they're too easily manipulated to reflect points of view.

That anyone could deny the reality of climate change eludes me. Well ..intelligent anyones anyway.

As for the snow in the UK etc...  the Earth must balance these things out... isn't that obvious??

The hotter it is in one hemisphere, the colder it'll get in the other.
That's obvious to me...  why is it hard to grasp>?

The Earth is still striving to mitigate the effects of our human growth....  and , as we are only just beginning to see the fruits (poisons) of our labors,
you can only expect it to get worse.
Emissions from human activities, right now,  won't come to fruition for many yrs to come.... in terms of ecological impact on our home. 

Seems we won't go out with a bang.....
more like ...dying of lymphoma.  Sad 



You want dead animals as proof to climate change. Here is a weather event in Australia in 1790's, but because weather is climate to the cult, we will just call it climate event.

Quote:
An account from Dawes journal extracted from Gergis et al 2009:

By September 1790, the settlers were fast realising just
how unpredictable Australia’s weather could be
. Watkin
Tench remarks ‘it is changeable beyond any other I ever
heard of… clouds, storms and sunshine pass in rapid succession’.
But by the middle of 1790, Tench (1793) describes
the impact of dry conditions on the colony’s food supplies:
‘vegetables are scarce…owing to want of rain. I do not think
that all the showers of the last four months put together,
would make twenty-four hours rain. Our farms, what with
this and a poor soil, are in wretched condition. My winter
crop of potatoes, which I planted in days of despair (March
and April last), turned out very badly when I dug them about
two months back. Wheat returned so poorly last harvest’
(Tench 1793).
It appears that the summer of 1790–91 was a hot and dry
summer. Tench comments that, at times, it ‘felt like the blast
of a heated oven’. He goes on to describe the heat endured
during summer:
‘even [the] heat [of December 1790] was
judged to be far exceeded in the latter end of the following
February [1791], when the north-west wind again set in, and
blew with great violence for three days. At Sydney, it fell
short by one degree of [December 1790] but at Rose Hill [Parramatta],
it was allowed, by every person, to surpass all that
they had before felt, either there or in any other part of the
world…it must, however, have been intense, from the effects
it produced.
An immense flight of bats driven before the
wind, covered all the trees around the settlement, whence
they every moment dropped dead or in a dying state, unable
longer to endure the burning state of the atmosphere. Nor
did the ‘perroquettes’, though tropical birds, bear it better.
The ground was strewn with them in the same condition as
the bats’ (Tench 1793).

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Reply #49 - Jan 20th, 2013 at 12:08am
 
must have been a frikkin' cold winter in the UK ... look that up for me.
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Reply #50 - Jan 20th, 2013 at 8:03am
 
More snow doesn't necessarily equate to "colder". Don't fall for that one. 

More snow is a consequence of more precipitation, if it's cold enough - and it doesn't have to be much colder than say 0 deg C for snow. I've seen it snow at +2 C.

In fact, it can sometimes be too cold to snow, as anybody who has spent some time in a cold climate would know.
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Reply #51 - Jan 20th, 2013 at 3:22pm
 
Great to have the cool days back with some rain. And so it goes on as it has in the past.
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Reply #52 - Jan 20th, 2013 at 8:36pm
 
Fair enough Muso...  that's understood..

I was using the term as shorthand to reference extreme cold.. 
not very accurate sorry about that.. it's poetic licence  Smiley
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Reply #53 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 11:24pm
 
ah the rain the rain.... 

s'wonderful, s'marvellous  Smiley

over halfway thru Summer  and at last.!!!
record-breaking
RAIN....

well fancy that  -- Shocked Roll Eyes
like I said

it's all about BALANCE.

The scales are constantly being moved....
Hope the wind isn't too fierce, anything can and most likely will happen...

like the 6 (six) tornadoes so far experienced in coastal central QLD this afternoon.!!!
.  Hmmm ??  can I remember this happening before  ..?? 

NOPE  -- 
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Reply #54 - Jan 27th, 2013 at 1:46am
 
Emma wrote on Jan 26th, 2013 at 11:24pm:
ah the rain the rain.... 

s'wonderful, s'marvellous  Smiley

over halfway thru Summer  and at last.!!!
record-breaking
RAIN....

well fancy that  -- Shocked Roll Eyes
like I said

it's all about BALANCE.

The scales are constantly being moved....
Hope the wind isn't too fierce, anything can and most likely will happen...

like the 6 (six) tornadoes so far experienced in coastal central QLD this afternoon.!!!
Hmmm ??  can I remember this happening before  ..?? 

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Then you must be very young...

2010, 2011 and twice ( 8 months apart) in 2012
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Reply #55 - Jan 27th, 2013 at 2:03am
 
don't think so Gizmoid...

you must live in an alternate reality.... 

I'm talking about now  -  2013.. 

yes it flooded in Bris and all over QLD in 2010 and 2011.... 

but I don't recall any tornadoes  reported... and what else are you referring to?  I mean  they've had RECORD-BREAKING rainfall totals up North...  whether thats

most rain in an hr
most rain in a day
most rain in 24 hrs in a particular area
most rain in an hr in a particular area...

why do you dispute these facts?? 



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Reply #56 - Jan 27th, 2013 at 8:55am
 
Emma wrote on Jan 27th, 2013 at 2:03am:
don't think so Gizmoid...

you must live in an alternate reality.... 

I'm talking about now  -  2013.. 

yes it flooded in Bris and all over QLD in 2010 and 2011.... 

but I don't recall any tornadoes  reported... and what else are you referring to?  I mean  they've had RECORD-BREAKING rainfall totals up North...  whether thats

most rain in an hr
most rain in a day
most rain in 24 hrs in a particular area
most rain in an hr in a particular area...

why do you dispute these facts?? 





Ok, then we'll try it this way.

1992:
Oakhurst tornado
Early in the afternoon, another supercell developed around the town of Maryborough, around 300 km north of Brisbane. It developed rapidly also, and at 2:30pm a number of reports sent to the Bureau of Meteorology reported a tornado had touched down in Oakhurst, a rural area 80 km south of Maryborough. However, due to the low population density in the area the reported damage was sparse, with one house destroyed, several others unroofed and hundreds of trees were snapped.
Upon investigation and analysis of measurements and the damage caused by the tornado, it was given a rating of 'F3' on the Fujita scale. This was one of the most powerful tornadoes ever recorded in Australia, and the scale indicated the tornado may have produced winds of between 252 and 300 kilometres per hour.

Bucca tornado
Only minutes after the Oakhurst tornado, another supercell developed to the south-west of Bundaberg, around 400 km north of Brisbane and 150 km north of the Oakhurst tornado. It strengthened and moved in a north-east direction, causing severe damage to Bullyard and Bucca areas with giant hailstones, described as the size of a "cricket ball".
The supercell then spawned a tornado in the Bucca and Kolan area. According to reports by meteorologists, the tornado was so strong and the effects caused on the area it hit were so extreme that household appliances were displaced, small objects were embedded in trees and house walls, and "a 3-tonne truck body was carried 300 metres across the ground". However, as with Oakhurst, the rural nature of the area affected limited the damage caused by the tornado.
Examination by a severe weather team from the Bureau of Meteorology examined the damage in the Bucca and Kolan region and recorded it as an 'F4' on the Fujita scale. This corresponds to the tornado being able to produce winds between 331 and 417 kilometres per hour and of 'devastating' intensity. This is the first tornado ever to be recorded as an F4 in Australian history

"A tornado passes near the far north Queensland town of Atherton
Posted Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:47am AEDT"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-02-17/a-tornado-passes-near-the-far-north-queens...

"Townsville - Tornado EF2 March 20th 2012 Ch7News"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGhEjTiPtps

Darling Downs November 17th 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFeLkNtpF5c&feature=player_embedded

Is that enough, or would you like me to mention 1968, when the town of Killarney QLD was hit by a tornado???


Just because you can't remember tornadoes in QLD, doesn't mean they've never happened there..
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Reply #57 - Jan 27th, 2013 at 1:14pm
 
Emma wrote on Jan 27th, 2013 at 2:03am:
don't think so Gizmoid...

you must live in an alternate reality.... 

I'm talking about now  -  2013.. 

yes it flooded in Bris and all over QLD in 2010 and 2011.... 

but I don't recall any tornadoes  reported... and what else are you referring to?  I mean  they've had RECORD-BREAKING rainfall totals up North...  whether thats

most rain in an hr
most rain in a day
most rain in 24 hrs in a particular area
most rain in an hr in a particular area...

why do you dispute these facts?? 





What records, and where? And why do we care if a record is broken? it doesn't mean anything more than the simple fact that a new record was written. So What?

What proof is there that its anything more than an isolated weather event? dispute that fact if you like.
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Reply #58 - Jan 27th, 2013 at 4:30pm
 
Emma wrote on Jan 20th, 2013 at 8:36pm:
Fair enough Muso...  that's understood..

I was using the term as shorthand to reference extreme cold.. 
not very accurate sorry about that.. it's poetic licence  Smiley

Yeh, science has to be more careful tho: that's why there is something called NOMENCLATURE-->> NAMING SYSTEMS!

The free-market liars argue black is white by playing with definitions and repeating it until the poor victims of democracy turn away in disgust and confusion!

-->it's a totally natural process,... giving us Kubler Ross's curve to acceptance- over- time!
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Reply #59 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 8:46pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 27th, 2013 at 8:55am:
Ok, then we'll try it this way.

1992:
Oakhurst tornado
Early in the afternoon, another supercell developed around the town of Maryborough, around 300 km north of Brisbane. It developed rapidly also, and at 2:30pm a number of reports sent to the Bureau of Meteorology reported a tornado had touched down in Oakhurst, a rural area 80 km south of Maryborough. However, due to the low population density in the area the reported damage was sparse, with one house destroyed, several others unroofed and hundreds of trees were snapped.
Upon investigation and analysis of measurements and the damage caused by the tornado, it was given a rating of 'F3' on the Fujita scale. This was one of the most powerful tornadoes ever recorded in Australia, and the scale indicated the tornado may have produced winds of between 252 and 300 kilometres per hour.

Bucca tornado
Only minutes after the Oakhurst tornado, another supercell developed to the south-west of Bundaberg, around 400 km north of Brisbane and 150 km north of the Oakhurst tornado. It strengthened and moved in a north-east direction, causing severe damage to Bullyard and Bucca areas with giant hailstones, described as the size of a "cricket ball".
The supercell then spawned a tornado in the Bucca and Kolan area. According to reports by meteorologists, the tornado was so strong and the effects caused on the area it hit were so extreme that household appliances were displaced, small objects were embedded in trees and house walls, and "a 3-tonne truck body was carried 300 metres across the ground". However, as with Oakhurst, the rural nature of the area affected limited the damage caused by the tornado.
Examination by a severe weather team from the Bureau of Meteorology examined the damage in the Bucca and Kolan region and recorded it as an 'F4' on the Fujita scale. This corresponds to the tornado being able to produce winds between 331 and 417 kilometres per hour and of 'devastating' intensity. This is the first tornado ever to be recorded as an F4 in Australian history

"A tornado passes near the far north Queensland town of Atherton
Posted Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:47am AEDT"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-02-17/a-tornado-passes-near-the-far-north-queens...

"Townsville - Tornado EF2 March 20th 2012 Ch7News"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGhEjTiPtps

Darling Downs November 17th 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFeLkNtpF5c&feature=player_embedded

Is that enough, or would you like me to mention 1968, when the town of Killarney QLD was hit by a tornado???


Just because you can't remember tornadoes in QLD, doesn't mean they've never happened there..


It's a question of frequency and intensity. Extreme weather events like tornados are becoming more frequent. All the examples you provided bar one, have been in comparatively recent times.  Before January 2011, when was the last severe flood in Brisbane? 1974. After 2011, when was the next one?
2013.

It wouldn't surprise me if the pattern of extreme weather events continues in the next few years.
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