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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Get used to record-breaking heat Reply #60 - Jan 30^th, 2013 at 6:26pm yahoooooooo got power back.... three days..no power, no tap water, no power no water pumps no loo-flushing except by buckets of captured rain water, no showers.. No Computer, no TV... no cooling fans or air con..... I'm with Muso We have had three 1in 100 yr weather events in 3 yrs... !!!! That is EXTREME...
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Rider Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2669 OnTheRoad Gender:	Re: Get used to record-breaking heat Reply #61 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:20pm oh deary...only thing EXTREME here is the dial on my BULLSHIT meter spinning out of control. its called isolated weather events, no pattern, no conspiracy theory, no need to deny it, just call it what it is, the WEATHER.
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Reply #62 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:40pm

Rider wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:20pm:

oh deary...only thing EXTREME here is the dial on my BULLSHIT meter spinning out of control.

its called isolated weather events, no pattern, no conspiracy theory, no need to deny it, just call it what it is, the WEATHER.

The only thing extreme in your post is the dial on you denier-meter.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137545 Gender:	Re: Get used to record-breaking heat Reply #63 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:48pm Rider wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:20pm: its called isolated weather events, no pattern, no conspiracy theory, no need to deny it, just call it what it is, the WEATHER. Yep. However, the AGW alarmists have a tough time distinguishing between weather & climate, and local & global.
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Rider Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2669 OnTheRoad Gender:	Re: Get used to record-breaking heat Reply #64 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:54pm Oh Doctor..... is there no stopping the BS meter today??
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Reply #65 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 4:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:20pm:

its called isolated weather events, no pattern, no conspiracy theory, no need to deny it, just call it what it is, the WEATHER.

Yep.

However, the AGW alarmists have a tough time distinguishing between weather & climate, and local & global.

You measure climate through weather.

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Re: Get used to record-breaking heat
Reply #66 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 4:28pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:20pm:

its called isolated weather events, no pattern, no conspiracy theory, no need to deny it, just call it what it is, the WEATHER.

Yep.

However, the AGW alarmists have a tough time distinguishing between weather & climate, and local & global.

You measure climate through weather.

Weather events are never climate. Weather observed over a large timeframe is climate. Unless you join a doomsday cult, then weather events (hot) are the new climate when it suites. When the weather event doesnt suit (cold), then you call it climate change induced weather event.

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Reply #67 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 4:32pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:20pm:

its called isolated weather events, no pattern, no conspiracy theory, no need to deny it, just call it what it is, the WEATHER.

Yep.

However, the AGW alarmists have a tough time distinguishing between weather & climate, and local & global.

You measure climate through weather.

Weather events are never climate. Weather observed over a timeframe is climate..

Thats what I said. You measure climate through weather.

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Reply #68 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 4:48pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 4:32pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 3:20pm:

its called isolated weather events, no pattern, no conspiracy theory, no need to deny it, just call it what it is, the WEATHER.

Yep.

However, the AGW alarmists have a tough time distinguishing between weather & climate, and local & global.

You measure climate through weather.

Weather events are never climate. Weather observed over a timeframe is climate..

Thats what I said. You measure climate through weather.

But you were referring to someone calling out weather events are not the new climate. Play with words, just like you are doing with flannery's words, but it by no means makes you correct.

Climate is weather over a long period of time. You are right. Just wrong to reply to the post you did.

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Reply #69 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 9:25pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Weather events are never climate. Weather observed over a large timeframe is climate. Unless you join a doomsday cult, then weather events (hot) are the new climate when it suites. When the weather event doesnt suit (cold), then you call it climate change induced weather event.

That's the point. Nobody is claiming that the globe will heat totally uniformly. In some cases (for example melting sea ice) whole ocean currents will change causing local cooling effects.

Nobody is claiming anything different to that. The predicted changes in climate (temperature and precipitation) are highly variable on a global scale. You need to read Chapter 11 to find out what is actually being predicted and to find out what you're supposed to be disagreeing with. The problem is that you start to look foolish when you argue against something when you don't know the detail of what you claim to disagree with.

Your claims that cold weather events are inconsistent with your highly simplified strawman of a worldwide conspiracy (that includes the BoM and CSIRO among others) are nothing short of laughable.

If you want to disagree, you'll need to do your homework to see exactly what you're supposed to disagree with, with due reference to the Gospel according to Watts.

Here. If there is something you don't understand, just ask.

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch11.html

I don't see the point of arguing with the faithful, so I'll leave it to Dr Jolly.

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Reply #70 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 10:37pm

muso wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 9:25pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Weather events are never climate. Weather observed over a large timeframe is climate. Unless you join a doomsday cult, then weather events (hot) are the new climate when it suites. When the weather event doesnt suit (cold), then you call it climate change induced weather event.

That's the point. Nobody is claiming that the globe will heat totally uniformly. In some cases (for example melting sea ice) whole ocean currents will change causing local cooling effects.

Nobody is claiming anything different to that. The predicted changes in climate (temperature and precipitation) are highly variable on a global scale. You need to read Chapter 11 to find out what is actually being predicted and to find out what you're supposed to be disagreeing with. The problem is that you start to look foolish when you argue against something when you don't know the detail of what you claim to disagree with.

Your claims that cold weather events are inconsistent with your highly simplified strawman of a worldwide conspiracy (that includes the BoM and CSIRO among others) are nothing short of laughable.

If you want to disagree, you'll need to do your homework to see exactly what you're supposed to disagree with, with due reference to the Gospel according to Watts.

Here. If there is something you don't understand, just ask.

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch11.html

I don't see the point of arguing with the faithful, so I'll leave it to Dr Jolly.

Oh the irony....

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Get used to record-breaking heat Reply #71 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 10:46pm define irony Gizmoid.
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Rider Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2669 OnTheRoad Gender:	Re: Get used to record-breaking heat Reply #72 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 7:34am oh I like this game.. define unmitigated alarmist claptrap or maybe swindling tax payer funded grant dependent science flunkies I've got more
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Get used to record-breaking heat Reply #73 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 10:40am Emma wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 10:46pm: define irony Gizmoid. The irony of one of a believer in ACC( one of the 'faithful)', using the term 'faithful' (with all it's religious connotations) as a reason to not bother arguing with a skeptic...
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Reply #74 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 4:36pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 10:37pm:

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I don't see the point of arguing with the faithful, so I'll leave it to Dr Jolly.

Oh the irony....

There is no faith involved. I understand the science. It's my field.

Do you have faith when you believe that the earth orbits the sun?

It's a good theory, but it has not been proven by a long shot.

Maybe you believe that the Earth follows a straight line in distorted space time? That's another good theory, but it hasn't been proven either.

Maybe you believe that two parallel lines never meet? This time, you'd be wrong. They meet at infinity. Now that can be proven because it's pure mathematics.

In science, saying that something hasn't been proven is disingenuous. It's not really saying anything useful.

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