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Reply #30 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:52am
 
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It identifies only two periods of Australian "fiscal profligacy" in recent years, both during John Howard's term in office - in 2003 at the start of the mining boom and during his final years in office between 2005 and 2007.


Kevin Rudd was also cruising (most popular PM) until the GFC hit and revenue plunged....The wealthfare spending and Howard era tax cuts had already been locked in and where unsustainable once revenue declined and the economy slowed down.....The budget was already in structural deficit when Rudd took office as the revenue was based on mining boom forward estimates that as we now know never eventuated and are only just now starting to recover.....The economy is doing well under a Labor Government who are still dealing with the worst recession in over 70 years!!!

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Reply #31 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 1:10pm
 
MOTR wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:34am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 8:37am:
The IMF love debt so would love labor, the debt and taxes party. The IMF love to come and take over parts of countries who cant pay their debt, like labor cant seem to pay debt, just accumulate more.

I can see why IMF would make a propaganda report that labor are so good and a party who left a country in a perfect position to get through a GFC, would be so bad. Bit like the UN who are leftists through and through.

And that is a perfect point made. Did liberals borrow money to waste. No, they left Australai rich. Labor just wasted it and borrowed more than Australia ever has.


Attaking the messenger again, progs. So the IMF is part of a conspiracy to destroy the Australian economy. You really are nuts, progs.

It is not my mission to get you up to speed on the IMF and I am pretty sure you know the end game of your ideology, but that depends on just how much of a mushroom you are.
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Reply #32 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 1:12pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:52am:
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It identifies only two periods of Australian "fiscal profligacy" in recent years, both during John Howard's term in office - in 2003 at the start of the mining boom and during his final years in office between 2005 and 2007.


Kevin Rudd was also cruising (most popular PM) until the GFC hit and revenue plunged....The wealthfare spending and Howard era tax cuts had already been locked in and where unsustainable once revenue declined and the economy slowed down.....The budget was already in structural deficit when Rudd took office as the revenue was based on mining boom forward estimates that as we now know never eventuated and are only just now starting to recover.....The economy is doing well under a Labor Government who are still dealing with the worst recession in over 70 years!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley

So labor couldn't put tax hikes on to cover the tax breaks(hmmm). I thought you were trying to say they were responsible government. Lemmings abound.
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Reply #33 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 1:34pm
 
This thread epitomises why EVERYTHING the Coalition says, and MOST of
what the 'Govt' says about the economy goes in one ear and straight out
the other.

As do SOME (not all) of the discussions here on the economy.

I look to independent assessments, and they overwhelmingly (and often
begrudgingly) acknowledge that OUR economy is one of the best.

Unlike many, it IS growing (if slowly).

There are MANY things about this country that are going pear-shaped.

The economy is not one of them.

Do I think a better job could be done?

Shyt, yes.

Are the CURRENT Opposition the ones who can/will do it?

smack, NO!!!

What I'd LIKE to see?

Peter Costcutto as PM/Treasurer, and Turnbull as Deputy.

And get rid of ALL those who rode to the front-bench on
Howard's coat-tails, and, sadly, remain there.

The WHOLE Cabinet/front-bench MUST be new blood, and
not from the extreme right of the Party.

THAT, I'd vote for. Not much else.

NOT Labor. NOT Green. NOT the Coalition as it currently stands.
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Reply #34 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 1:58pm
 
We were better off under Howard though.

You can't disagree he didn't look after us.
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Reply #35 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 2:10pm
 
In its final year in office, the Coalition boosted the AusLink national roads program by $2.3 billion and announced grants for water conservation and water buybacks worth $10 billion over 10 years.


Oh, how horrific....
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Reply #36 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 2:17pm
 
John Howard wasted the lives of a Generation of disadvantaged Australians with his crusades against social security and employment security.  I will never forgive the Government for it, nor for listening to the right wing policy groups who pushed it... Smiley
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Reply #37 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 2:21pm
 
Howard rejects IMF's 'big spender' tag

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    Howard the king of loose purse strings

Former prime minister John Howard rejects the charge that his government spent wastefully, saying that ''the reason Australia dodged the global downturn was due to the strong fiscal position of the Howard government''.

Mr Howard responded through a spokesman to an international study that found Australia's most needlessly wasteful spending took place under the John Howard-led Coalition government rather than under the Whitlam, Rudd or Gillard Labor governments.     Sad


The International Monetary Fund examined 200 years of government financial records across 55 leading economies.


It identifies only two periods of Australian "fiscal profligacy" in recent years, both during Mr Howard's term in office - in 2003 at the start of the mining boom and during his final years in office between 2005 and 2007.

Mr Howard defended his record on Friday, saying that government spending as a percentage of GDP declined during his term.


Finance minister Penny Wong says the IMF has endorsed Labor's stimulus spending.

''According to none other than the Governor of the Reserve Bank, Australia's fiscal position is the envy of the developed world,'' the former prime minister's spokesman said.

But the Grattan Institute economist, Saul Eslake, argues that Mr Howard's statement about spending declining as a percentage of GDP, while technically true, is irrelevant and misleading.     Huh

''The Howard government in its last two terms was rolling in cash,'' Mr Eslake said.

Mr Howard rode two booms - in mining and household spending - and as a result raked in ''extraordinary'' amounts of income during its last two terms.

During that period, Mr Eslake said, the Howard government increased spending ''in real terms'' at a faster rate than any other government since the Whitlam years.

Mr Eslake did say, however, that he was ''gobsmacked'' the IMF did not judge Gough Whitlam's government as profligate.

''That they didn't regard the 40 per cent plus increase in government spending in 1974 to 1975 under the Whitlam government as profligate . . . [that's] far worse than anything the Howard government undertook,'' Mr Eslake said.

The Minister for Finance, Penny Wong, said the IMF study endorsed the current Labor government's ''responsible spending decisions'' while diminishing Mr Howard's record.

''The study shows the Howard government clearly missed opportunities to effectively use the mining boom and strong global economic conditions to invest in Australia's future, and it debunks the myth spouted by Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey that the Howard government exercised spending restraint,'' Ms Wong said.     Sad

''Rather than investing in key infrastructure projects like the National Broadband Network, which this government is rolling out . . . the Howard government made spending decisions that made the budget unsustainable''.     Sad

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/howard-rejects-imfs-big-spender-tag-20130111-2ck3z.html#ixzz2HdYlUUHn
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Reply #38 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 2:40pm
 
Wow, go figure. If ever the following term should be used, it is now.

The fix is in


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Reply #39 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 2:44pm
 
Howard was a great economic manager..we had interest rate increases DURING the election campaign..thats how in control of the economy he was  Grin
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Reply #40 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 4:54pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 1:58pm:
We were better off under Howard though.

You can't disagree he didn't look after us.

Lol, DR HOWARD was the weakest link!

He will be remembered for what exactly??? Watching money roll in from exports whilst pretending his govt controls interest rates... what a joke!

Andrie, even you have to see that makes him a laffing stock for the history books to eat alive!!
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Reply #41 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 4:57pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 2:44pm:
Howard was a great economic manager..we had interest rate increases DURING the election campaign..thats how in control of the economy he was  Grin

DR HOWARD WATCHED MONEY ROLL IN FROM EXPORTS WHILST PRETEDNING HIS GOVT CONTROLLED INTEREST RATES, LOL: IF THAT AINT CANNON FODDER FOR THE HISTORIANS I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!

HOWARD LOVERS ARE SO FULL OF HOT SHAME.....
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Reply #42 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 5:43pm
 
THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD.
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Reply #43 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 5:50pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:52am:
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It identifies only two periods of Australian "fiscal profligacy" in recent years, both during John Howard's term in office - in 2003 at the start of the mining boom and during his final years in office between 2005 and 2007.


Kevin Rudd was also cruising (most popular PM) until the GFC hit and revenue plunged....The wealthfare spending and Howard era tax cuts had already been locked in and where unsustainable once revenue declined and the economy slowed down.....The budget was already in structural deficit when Rudd took office as the revenue was based on mining boom forward estimates that as we now know never eventuated and are only just now starting to recover.....The economy is doing well under a Labor Government who are still dealing with the worst recession in over 70 years!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley


to misquote Keating: 'the recession we never had'

how did Rudd deal with the worst recession in 70 years since that was 1983? hasnt been a recession in australia since keating.
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Reply #44 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 6:09pm
 
I see the conga line of suckholes are in meltdown damage control and long whine is being his usual liar but the facts are here, read em and weep fools. As much as you all lie whine and misrepresent the facts say the lying little rodent wasted sh it loads more than Gillard. Grin Grin Grin
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