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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Under What PM Was The Most Wasteful Spending. Reply #45 - Jan 11^th, 2013 at 6:11pm Everybody has a right to social security...John Howard devoted his time in office victimizing the underprivileged and robbing them of the little they had...that is his legacy...spite and meanness. And that is why I spy on his ideological progeny so closely..
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Reply #46 - Jan 12^th, 2013 at 6:16am

adelcrow wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

Under Howard the economy was flat for his first few terms and only got into gear when China opened up its economy and started growing at a break neck speed.
Without Labors reforms and Chinas boom Howard would've led a very flat economy with his only solutions being record taxation, new taxes and massive cuts to health, education, infrastructure etc etc etc.
And it will be more of the same when Abbott rises to power so be prepared for our public institutions to be run down and for spending on roads, bridges, flood mitigation etc etc to be slashed.

Better a flat economy than a nose-diving one struggling to keep its head above water due to increasing debt and a Reserve Bank providing life support in the form of very low interest rates. Yeah, I'd rather a flat economy with minimal growth and no debt as opposed to the soaring debt and low consumer confidence/spending that we are seeing now thanks to Swan's economic incompetence. That fool couldn't balance the books of a kids' lemonade stand!

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58665 Here Gender:	Re: Under What PM Was The Most Wasteful Spending. Reply #47 - Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:16am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 1:58pm: We were better off under Howard though. (the select few were) You can't disagree he didn't look after us. First time I have agreed with you in a while, Howard didn't look after all of us. In fact even Howard agreed with that assesment.
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Reply #48 - Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:25am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 6:16am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

Under Howard the economy was flat for his first few terms and only got into gear when China opened up its economy and started growing at a break neck speed.
Without Labors reforms and Chinas boom Howard would've led a very flat economy with his only solutions being record taxation, new taxes and massive cuts to health, education, infrastructure etc etc etc.
And it will be more of the same when Abbott rises to power so be prepared for our public institutions to be run down and for spending on roads, bridges, flood mitigation etc etc to be slashed.

Better a flat economy than a nose-diving one struggling to keep its head above water due to increasing debt and a Reserve Bank providing life support in the form of very low interest rates. Yeah, I'd rather a flat economy with minimal growth and no debt as opposed to the soaring debt and low consumer confidence/spending that we are seeing now thanks to Swan's economic incompetence. That fool couldn't balance the books of a kids' lemonade stand!

The economic downturn we have seen has been due to the impact of the GFC - nothing else.

As Australia prospered from a booming world economy it suffers under a world economic collapse.

It is not difficult to understand.

The valid measure is the fact that we have out performed much of the rest of the world in this period, sure somewhat due to our starting position but also some of our problems were generated there as well. Our economy was geared to get into trouble in any sort of downturn.

Money spent differently in the previous term could have made a big difference to our position today, fact is that in retrospect it is apparent that Costello (Howard) could have positioned our economic situation much better in terms of a less favourable world economic climate.

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Reply #49 - Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:50am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 6:16am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

Under Howard the economy was flat for his first few terms and only got into gear when China opened up its economy and started growing at a break neck speed.
Without Labors reforms and Chinas boom Howard would've led a very flat economy with his only solutions being record taxation, new taxes and massive cuts to health, education, infrastructure etc etc etc.
And it will be more of the same when Abbott rises to power so be prepared for our public institutions to be run down and for spending on roads, bridges, flood mitigation etc etc to be slashed.

Better a flat economy than a nose-diving one struggling to keep its head above water due to increasing debt and a Reserve Bank providing life support in the form of very low interest rates. Yeah, I'd rather a flat economy with minimal growth and no debt as opposed to the soaring debt and low consumer confidence/spending that we are seeing now thanks to Swan's economic incompetence. That fool couldn't balance the books of a kids' lemonade stand!

The economic downturn we have seen has been due to the impact of the GFC - nothing else.

As Australia prospered from a booming world economy it suffers under a world economic collapse.

It is not difficult to understand.

The valid measure is the fact that we have out performed much of the rest of the world in this period, sure somewhat due to our starting position but also some of our problems were generated there as well. Our economy was geared to get into trouble in any sort of downturn.

Money spent differently in the previous term could have made a big difference to our position today, fact is that in retrospect it is apparent that Costello (Howard) could have positioned our economic situation much better in terms of a less favourable world economic climate.

The GFC has been over for ages now. Can't use that for an excuse anymore, numpty!

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Reply #50 - Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:58am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

We were better off under Howard though.

You can't disagree he didn't look after us.

Howard only look after the high and middle income earners. He didn't govern for all Australian, for example how many tax cuts did they get and how many times did the pension go up not counting the CPI increase.

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Reply #51 - Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:59am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:50am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 6:16am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

Under Howard the economy was flat for his first few terms and only got into gear when China opened up its economy and started growing at a break neck speed.
Without Labors reforms and Chinas boom Howard would've led a very flat economy with his only solutions being record taxation, new taxes and massive cuts to health, education, infrastructure etc etc etc.
And it will be more of the same when Abbott rises to power so be prepared for our public institutions to be run down and for spending on roads, bridges, flood mitigation etc etc to be slashed.

Better a flat economy than a nose-diving one struggling to keep its head above water due to increasing debt and a Reserve Bank providing life support in the form of very low interest rates. Yeah, I'd rather a flat economy with minimal growth and no debt as opposed to the soaring debt and low consumer confidence/spending that we are seeing now thanks to Swan's economic incompetence. That fool couldn't balance the books of a kids' lemonade stand!

The economic downturn we have seen has been due to the impact of the GFC - nothing else.

As Australia prospered from a booming world economy it suffers under a world economic collapse.

It is not difficult to understand.

The valid measure is the fact that we have out performed much of the rest of the world in this period, sure somewhat due to our starting position but also some of our problems were generated there as well. Our economy was geared to get into trouble in any sort of downturn.

Money spent differently in the previous term could have made a big difference to our position today, fact is that in retrospect it is apparent that Costello (Howard) could have positioned our economic situation much better in terms of a less favourable world economic climate.

The GFC has been over for ages now. Can't use that for an excuse anymore, numpty!

With comments like that one, it is apparent who the numpty is!

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Reply #52 - Jan 12^th, 2013 at 8:24am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 6:16am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

Under Howard the economy was flat for his first few terms and only got into gear when China opened up its economy and started growing at a break neck speed.
Without Labors reforms and Chinas boom Howard would've led a very flat economy with his only solutions being record taxation, new taxes and massive cuts to health, education, infrastructure etc etc etc.
And it will be more of the same when Abbott rises to power so be prepared for our public institutions to be run down and for spending on roads, bridges, flood mitigation etc etc to be slashed.

Better a flat economy than a nose-diving one struggling to keep its head above water due to increasing debt and a Reserve Bank providing life support in the form of very low interest rates. Yeah, I'd rather a flat economy with minimal growth and no debt as opposed to the soaring debt and low consumer confidence/spending that we are seeing now thanks to Swan's economic incompetence. That fool couldn't balance the books of a kids' lemonade stand!

The economic downturn we have seen has been due to the impact of the GFC - nothing else.

As Australia prospered from a booming world economy it suffers under a world economic collapse.

It is not difficult to understand.

The valid measure is the fact that we have out performed much of the rest of the world in this period, sure somewhat due to our starting position but also some of our problems were generated there as well. Our economy was geared to get into trouble in any sort of downturn.

Money spent differently in the previous term could have made a big difference to our position today, fact is that in retrospect it is apparent that Costello (Howard) could have positioned our economic situation much better in terms of a less favourable world economic climate.

seriously.... do you think it is even logically possible to have an economy that doesnt suffer in a downturn?

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Reply #53 - Jan 12^th, 2013 at 8:24am

John S wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

We were better off under Howard though.

You can't disagree he didn't look after us.

Howard only look after the high and middle income earners. He didn't govern for all Australian, for example how many tax cuts did they get and how many times did the pension go up not counting the CPI increase.

FIVE tax cuts and EVERYBODY got approx the same percentage. thats called fairness.

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Reply #54 - Jan 12^th, 2013 at 8:29am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 8:24am:

John S wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

We were better off under Howard though.

You can't disagree he didn't look after us.

Howard only look after the high and middle income earners. He didn't govern for all Australian, for example how many tax cuts did they get and how many times did the pension go up not counting the CPI increase.

FIVE tax cuts and EVERYBODY got approx the same percentage. thats called fairness.

Did the pensions go up FIVE times by the same percentage?

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Reply #55 - Jan 12^th, 2013 at 8:59am

John S wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 8:24am:

John S wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

We were better off under Howard though.

You can't disagree he didn't look after us.

Howard only look after the high and middle income earners. He didn't govern for all Australian, for example how many tax cuts did they get and how many times did the pension go up not counting the CPI increase.

FIVE tax cuts and EVERYBODY got approx the same percentage. thats called fairness.

Did the pensions go up FIVE times by the same percentage?

it had CPI increases which maintain the value of the pension. the tax cuts were also not dissimilar to tax indexation by the amount of the CPI.

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Reply #56 - Jan 12^th, 2013 at 9:33am

gold_medal wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 8:59am:

John S wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 8:24am:

John S wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

We were better off under Howard though.

You can't disagree he didn't look after us.

Howard only look after the high and middle income earners. He didn't govern for all Australian, for example how many tax cuts did they get and how many times did the pension go up not counting the CPI increase.

FIVE tax cuts and EVERYBODY got approx the same percentage. thats called fairness.

Did the pensions go up FIVE times by the same percentage?

it had CPI increases which maintain the value of the pension. the tax cuts were also not dissimilar to tax indexation by the amount of the CPI.

Income earners got pay increase as well as tax cuts.

If you scroll back up and see my reply #50 I did say not including CPI increase to the pensions

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