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Jan 11th, 2013 at 9:55am
 
AN interest-free housing project aimed at the Muslim community and boasting 100 per cent halal housing has sparked a major row, with critics labelling it a discriminatory plan that could lead to a Muslim enclave.

Qartaba Homes' plan offers "100 per cent Halal housing to the growing Muslim community of Australia" in the heart of the northwestern Sydney suburb of Riverstone.
While the company has insisted people from all religious backgrounds are free to take up the offer, it advises that the loans are "100 per cent Halal" and a "chance to escape Riba (interest)" because interest is a sin under Islamic law.
Qartaba Homes director Khurram Jawaid said it was the real estate deal of a lifetime, open to Australians of all faiths and backgrounds, but the state MP for Hawkesbury Ray Williams said the project was divisive.
"I can only imagine the repercussions if a developer were to advertise a new Judeo-Christian housing estate; they would be hung, drawn and quartered," Mr Williams said.



AUSTRALIA'S multicultural society is an example of how people from diverse backgrounds can combine to build a peaceful, strong nation.

"I hardly think the advertisement for a 100 per cent halal Muslim housing community is inclusive; it's very divisive and I'm sure it will be viewed that way by the majority of fair-minded Australians."Blacktown councillor Alan Pendleton said the community was concerned it could turn into an enclave.
"There's great concern about ... what they consider could be an enclave. (There's a belief) you have to be a Muslim, otherwise they won't sell you a site," Mr Pendleton said.
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The proposed development is on land bordered by
Riverstone Rd, McCulloch St and Cranbourne St with the company planning to subdivide the land, along with a smaller parcel in Gordon St, Schofields."Our philosophy is interest-free, pay as you own," Mr Jawaid said.
"You don't have to go to a bank or a financial institution.
"It's open to everyone.
"From the business point of view, we can't do it that way (Muslims only)."
While subdivision plans have yet to be presented to Blacktown Council, the company has already "booked out" virtually all of the proposed 150 lots in Riverstone and 30 in Schofields.
Land parcels range from 400sq m to 800sq m and are being offered at $85,000 plus charges, including a booking deposit of 30-35 per cent and a 24-30 month interest-free payment plan.
Blacktown Council is investigating the deal, with the mayor Len Robinson saying there is no application before council for a subdivision, but pre-lodgment plans have been given to council.
The company has bought the land from various owners, but Mr Jawaid said Muslim take-up of the offer was "not that overwhelming".
The aim is for work to be finished by 2014, but go-ahead is needed from Blacktown Council and Sydney Water, which has yet to connect the land to the water network.
A spokesperson for Fair Trading Minister Anthony Roberts said
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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:49am
 
Divisive? Look who's saying that - the Liberal MP for Hawkesbury. I wonder if he's after a nice Camden-style grassroots campaign a la Fred Nile. There's political gold in them hills.

I'm not fond of the idea of gated communities or ethnic compounds, but I've never seen Muslims (of the Arab variety) be too picky about who lives next door.

Anyway, the Muslim take-up of the offer "was not overwhelming", so it doesn't look like it's going to take off anytime soon.

It would seem that Muslims - devout or otherwise - are taking advantage of the current low interest rates like everyone else.

As much as I hate the idea of real estate exclusiveness, I can't see how anyone could ban Muslims, Jews or Christians creating their own housing developments. If I remember rightly, Pauline Hanson made a big fuss about how she didn't want Muslims moving into the Queensland home she was selling.

It was all spin. There's not much the government can do about who you choose to sell your property to, or who you choose to live with. If I want to shack up with a whole bunch of Muslim-sympathizers, I believe I'm entitled to by law.

The MP for Hawkesbury knows all this. He's just getting his name out there. "Divisive".

Exactly.
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Big Dave wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 9:55am:
AUSTRALIA'S multicultural society is an example of how people from diverse backgrounds can combine to build a peaceful, strong nation.


Lie.

The building was done as an almost monocultural nation.  The Ngongo ooogabongos and Achmed Farouqs who have arrived recently have merely taken advantage of what was built by honkies before them.
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Reply #4 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:03am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:57am:


Gated communities are for whites. They're a symptom of "white flight" to the suburbs. You move out to the "nice" suburbs, but before long, the nig-nogs follow you out there so you need to find a nice big estate to fence off and keep them all out. Problem solved.

Andrei Hicks says he lives in a gated community.

Robert Paulson would live in one, but his suburb is exclusively white anyway.
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Reply #5 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:07am
 
If we can have private schools for our children, why shouldn't we keep them safe from the tinted races in our own gated communities?

They do in Amerika and South Effrica. Why can't we do it here?
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Karnal wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:07am:
If we can have private schools for our children, why shouldn't we keep them safe from the tinted races in our own gated communities?

They do in Amerika and South Effrica. Why can't we do it here?



The real estate is cheaper in Muselmania.
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Reply #7 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:09am
 
I've never heard in my whole life an Australian suburb sold to people of a certain religion. I live near Riverstone and it's a working class area that hasn't ever adapted any sort of enclave. The dude selling the land has tried to make it exclusive by only offering sharia loans (no interest). So basically you have to be a muslim to get a sharia loan from him. I don't want this crap in my area and I'm sure many people out my why don't want it either.
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Reply #8 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:10am
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:03am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:57am:


Gated communities are for whites. They're a symptom of "white flight" to the suburbs. You move out to the "nice" suburbs, but before long, the nig-nogs follow you out there so you need to find a nice big estate to fence off and keep them all out. Problem solved.

Andrei Hicks says he lives in a gated community.

Robert Paulson would live in one, but his suburb is exclusively white anyway.



Are there any gated communities in Melbourne with no darkies allowed?
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Reply #9 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:26am
 
Big Dave wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:09am:
I've never heard in my whole life an Australian suburb sold to people of a certain religion. I live near Riverstone and it's a working class area that hasn't ever adapted any sort of enclave. The dude selling the land has tried to make it exclusive by only offering sharia loans (no interest). So basically you have to be a muslim to get a sharia loan from him. I don't want this crap in my area and I'm sure many people out my why don't want it either.


I wouldn't want an exclusively religious housing estate in my area either (even though we have more Muslims where I live than anywhere else in Sydney).

Did you read the article? The development is about finance. Paying interest on loans is against Muslims' religion. It used to be against Christians' religion once too, but we gave up on that one.

Since we did, financial services have grown to become the biggest business in the world, but I digress.

The land is sold to be financed without interest - that's the marketing angle. It's got nothing to do with keeping the infidels out.
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Reply #10 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:28am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:10am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:03am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:57am:


Gated communities are for whites. They're a symptom of "white flight" to the suburbs. You move out to the "nice" suburbs, but before long, the nig-nogs follow you out there so you need to find a nice big estate to fence off and keep them all out. Problem solved.

Andrei Hicks says he lives in a gated community.

Robert Paulson would live in one, but his suburb is exclusively white anyway.



Are there any gated communities in Melbourne with no darkies allowed?


I don't think there are any in the whole of Australia. If there were, Honkie would be living there for sure.

But that's the difference between Australia and South Effrika. Our "gates" are more subtle than theirs.
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Reply #11 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:34am
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:28am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:10am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:03am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:57am:


Gated communities are for whites. They're a symptom of "white flight" to the suburbs. You move out to the "nice" suburbs, but before long, the nig-nogs follow you out there so you need to find a nice big estate to fence off and keep them all out. Problem solved.

Andrei Hicks says he lives in a gated community.

Robert Paulson would live in one, but his suburb is exclusively white anyway.



Are there any gated communities in Melbourne with no darkies allowed?


I don't think there are any in the whole of Australia. If there were, Honkie would be living there for sure.

But that's the difference between Australia and South Effrika. Our "gates" are more subtle than theirs.



It would be good to have a gated suburb where the Sudanese gangs
couldn't wander around as though they own the streets.
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Reply #12 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:36am
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:28am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:10am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:03am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:57am:


Gated communities are for whites. They're a symptom of "white flight" to the suburbs. You move out to the "nice" suburbs, but before long, the nig-nogs follow you out there so you need to find a nice big estate to fence off and keep them all out. Problem solved.

Andrei Hicks says he lives in a gated community.

Robert Paulson would live in one, but his suburb is exclusively white anyway.



Are there any gated communities in Melbourne with no darkies allowed?


I don't think there are any in the whole of Australia. If there were, Honkie would be living there for sure.

But that's the difference between Australia and South Effrika. Our "gates" are more subtle than theirs.



On one side of a main road that I live near there are no c00ns.  On the other, they're everyhwere.  It's quite uncanny how the road acts as a barrier like a rabbit proof fence, but I fear that one day they'll figure out how to cross the road, and my property value will plummet.
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Karnal wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:26am:
Big Dave wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:09am:
I've never heard in my whole life an Australian suburb sold to people of a certain religion. I live near Riverstone and it's a working class area that hasn't ever adapted any sort of enclave. The dude selling the land has tried to make it exclusive by only offering sharia loans (no interest). So basically you have to be a muslim to get a sharia loan from him. I don't want this crap in my area and I'm sure many people out my why don't want it either.


I wouldn't want an exclusively religious housing estate in my area either (even though we have more Muslims where I live than anywhere else in Sydney).

Did you read the article? The development is about finance. Paying interest on loans is against Muslims' religion. It used to be against Christians' religion once too, but we gave up on that one.

Since we did, financial services have grown to become the biggest business in the world, but I digress.

The land is sold to be financed without interest - that's the marketing angle. It's got nothing to do with keeping the infidels out.
You are the one that doesn't read karnal. This is the first line- AN interest-free housing project aimed at the Muslim community . The whole crux of the story isn't about bank, economics, money, mana , the world bank etc etc etc. It's about a company selling land to only muslims. How can Joe Blow apply for a sharia loan? They won't get it because they aren't muslims.
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Reply #14 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 12:39pm
 
Big Dave wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 12:24pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:26am:
Big Dave wrote on Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:09am:
I've never heard in my whole life an Australian suburb sold to people of a certain religion. I live near Riverstone and it's a working class area that hasn't ever adapted any sort of enclave. The dude selling the land has tried to make it exclusive by only offering sharia loans (no interest). So basically you have to be a muslim to get a sharia loan from him. I don't want this crap in my area and I'm sure many people out my why don't want it either.


I wouldn't want an exclusively religious housing estate in my area either (even though we have more Muslims where I live than anywhere else in Sydney).

Did you read the article? The development is about finance. Paying interest on loans is against Muslims' religion. It used to be against Christians' religion once too, but we gave up on that one.

Since we did, financial services have grown to become the biggest business in the world, but I digress.

The land is sold to be financed without interest - that's the marketing angle. It's got nothing to do with keeping the infidels out.



You are the one that doesn't read karnal. This is the first line- AN interest-free housing project aimed at the Muslim community . The whole crux of the story isn't about bank, economics, money, mana , the world bank etc etc etc. It's about a company selling land to only muslims. How can Joe Blow apply for a sharia loan? They won't get it because they aren't muslims.





If this is true, would it even be legal in Australia ?

Wouldn't that be an instance of active discrimination [against non-moslem Australians], on the basis of a persons religious beliefs ?


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