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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: 2013 Australian heat wave has no precedent. Reply #450 - Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 6:30pm MOTR wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 6:29pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 6:21pm: Is the whole climate change thing not becoming just a tadd boring now.... Unfortunately we can't just wish it away, Andrei. So you are trying to bor it to death. That'll work
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Reply #451 - Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 9:10pm

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It is not that common for the Australian-average temperature to exceed 39°C for even two days in a row. A run of three days above 39°C has occurred on only three occasions, and a run of four days just once, in 1972.

The current heat wave has seen a sequence of Australian temperatures above 39°C of seven days, and above 38°C of 11 days straight.

What are the odds of this without climate change?

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Reply #452 - Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 9:47pm

MOTR wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 9:10pm:

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It is not that common for the Australian-average temperature to exceed 39°C for even two days in a row. A run of three days above 39°C has occurred on only three occasions, and a run of four days just once, in 1972.

The current heat wave has seen a sequence of Australian temperatures above 39°C of seven days, and above 38°C of 11 days straight.

What are the odds of this without climate change?

Dont know. Ask a weather man what lack of h2o, a slow country wide high, a lack of a tropical low and the jetstream staying low will do and were those weather events caused by co2. The answer about the co2 will be a definitive no.

Ask if they stuck around for 11 days, could it cause a record heat wave. Answer would be yes.

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Reply #453 - Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 10:53pm

New papers are destroying the co2 doomsday cult

First paper black carbon takes almost 50% off of co2 current warming of the earth.

Second paper tells us that
they found a very low climate sensitivity to co2

Third paper tells us Ocean-driven warming along the western Antarctic Peninsula needs to be considered as part of a natural centennial timescale cycle of climate variability

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/23/new-study-ocean-driven-warming-along-the-w...

Fourth paper tells us Solar Activity At End Of 20th Century Was At Highest Levels Of Past 9,000 Years

http://climaterealists.com/?id=11006

Back to the drawing board and this time, dont bring your closed minded doomsday cult and sack any and all of your leaders.

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Reply #454 - Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 11:31pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 9:47pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 9:10pm:

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]It is not that common for the Australian-average temperature to exceed 39°C for even two days in a row. A run of three days above 39°C has occurred on only three occasions, and a run of four days just once, in 1972.

The current heat wave has seen a sequence of Australian temperatures above 39°C of seven days, and above 38°C of 11 days straight.

What are the odds of this without climate change?

Dont know. Ask a weather man what lack of h2o, a slow country wide high, a lack of a tropical low and the jetstream staying low will do and were those weather events caused by co2. The answer about the co2 will be a definitive no.

Ask if they stuck around for 11 days, could it cause a record heat wave. Answer would be yes. [/quote]

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Well I know you like stating the obvious, but, you do miss the point don't you.??

Read the quote in BOLD, above, get over your obsession .... with co2 ... I frankly don't understand it at all.

MOTR quite correctly asks... would this unprecedented occurrence have become reality, if AGW wasn't a major factor..... a major factor, I'll repeat it.

We LIVE in a carbon world......we are inextricably linked to carbon-based 'everything' ....... it is not surprising therefore, that when the balances fail , for WHATEVER reason, it's most likely that carbon is at its base.

]Ask if they stuck around for 11 days, could it cause a record heat wave. Answer would be yes[ I mean give us a break... Roll Eyes

The Earth has it's regulatory processes to deal with natural dangers...eg hyper sunspot activity....

SHE doesn't have any special way of dealing with US. So SHE , perhaps less adaptable than us , can bring to bear only those defences SHE rules.
WE have taken TOO MANY liberties, and SHE seeks only to redress the balance. Be assured we will not like it.!!

She will go on, BUT its pretty likely, if we don't DO something, that we won't go on with HER.

So CULT THAT !! proglollingaroundstoned. Cheesy

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Reply #455 - Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 11:37pm

Emma wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 11:31pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 9:47pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 9:10pm:

It is not that common for the Australian-average temperature to exceed 39°C for even two days in a row. A run of three days above 39°C has occurred on only three occasions, and a run of four days just once, in 1972.

The current heat wave has seen a sequence of Australian temperatures above 39°C of seven days, and above 38°C of 11 days straight.

What are the odds of this without climate change?

Dont know. Ask a weather man what lack of h2o, a slow country wide high, a lack of a tropical low and the jetstream staying low will do and were those weather events caused by co2. The answer about the co2 will be a definitive no.

Ask if they stuck around for 11 days, could it cause a record heat wave. Answer would be yes.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Well I know you like stating the obvious, but, you do miss the point don't you.??

Read the quote in BOLD, above, get over your obsession .... with co2 ... I frankly don't understand it at all.

MOTR quite correctly asks... would this unprecedented occurrence have become reality, if AGW wasn't a major factor..... a major factor, I'll repeat it.

We LIVE in a carbon world......we are inextricably linked to carbon-based 'everything' ....... it is not surprising therefore, that when the balances fail , for WHATEVER reason, it's most likely that carbon is at its base.

]Ask if they stuck around for 11 days, could it cause a record heat wave. Answer would be yes[ I mean give us a break... Roll Eyes

The Earth has it's regulatory processes to deal with natural dangers...eg hyper sunspot activity....

SHE doesn't have any special way of dealing with US. So SHE , perhaps less adaptable than us , can bring to bear only those defences SHE rules.
WE have taken TOO MANY liberties, and SHE seeks only to redress the balance. Be assured we will not like it.!!

She will go on, BUT its pretty likely, if we don't DO something, that we won't go on with HER.

So CULT THAT !! proglollingaroundstoned. Cheesy

You did a good job on it yourself. No need for me to help cult it.

Gaia god speaking through you I notice. Good luck with that. I have a straight jacket here for ya.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: 2013 Australian heat wave has no precedent. Reply #456 - Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 11:48pm You did a good job on it yourself. Like I said, you do love stating the obvious.. nevertheless, I thank you.
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Re: 2013 Australian heat wave has no precedent.
Reply #458 - Jan 24^th, 2013 at 6:30am

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 10:53pm:

New papers are destroying the co2 doomsday cult

First paper black carbon takes almost 50% off of co2 current warming of the earth.

Second paper tells us that
they found a very low climate sensitivity to co2

Third paper tells us Ocean-driven warming along the western Antarctic Peninsula needs to be considered as part of a natural centennial timescale cycle of climate variability

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/23/new-study-ocean-driven-warming-along-the-w...

Fourth paper tells us Solar Activity At End Of 20th Century Was At Highest Levels Of Past 9,000 Years

http://climaterealists.com/?id=11006

Back to the drawing board and this time, dont bring your closed minded doomsday cult and sack any and all of your leaders.

You seem pretty intent on trawling the denier blogs for an explanation for a warming that you actually deny, progs. It's pretty easy to cherry pick the bits that you like and ignore the rest of the paper.

I haven't had a good look at the last paper, but the authors of most of the papers you post here have come to a different conclusion to you.

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Reply #459 - Jan 24^th, 2013 at 7:28am

WASHINGTON, Jan. 23, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ – A group of 20 ex-NASA scientists have concluded that the science used to support the man-made climate change hypothesis is not settled and no convincing physical evidence exists to support catastrophic climate change forecasts.

Seems all the catastrophic man made you know what is indeed bulltish, who would have thunk it.

Have a sticky over at notrickszone for more, cant link before you ask.

Thankfully some of the scientists avoided the Kool-Aid so freely supped at the cult of AGW

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Reply #460 - Jan 24^th, 2013 at 7:41am

V BRider wrote on Jan 24^th, 2013 at 7:28am:

WASHINGTON, Jan. 23, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ – A group of 20 ex-NASA scientists have concluded that the science used to support the man-made climate change hypothesis is not settled and no convincing physical evidence exists to support catastrophic climate change forecasts.

Seems all the catastrophic man made you know what is indeed bulltish, who would have thunk it.

Have a sticky over at notrickszone for more, cant link before you ask.

Thankfully some of the scientists avoided the Kool-Aid so freely supped at the cult of AGW

None of these former NASA scientists will submit their findings for peer review.....NASA has invited them to join the debate but the deniers have refused to support there claims with scientific evidence that can be scrutinised and peer reviewed!!!

Roll Eyes

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/nasa-global-warming-letter-astronauts_n...

What does NASA say?

“NASA sponsors research into many areas of cutting-edge scientific inquiry, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate," the agency's chief scientist, Dr. Waleed Abdalati, told The Huffington Post in an email. "As an agency, NASA does not draw conclusions and issue 'claims' about research findings. We support open scientific inquiry and discussion...If the authors of this letter disagree with specific scientific conclusions made public by NASA scientists, we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature or public forums rather than restrict any discourse.”

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Reply #461 - Jan 24^th, 2013 at 7:42am

WTF???

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http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/state-follows-national-lead-over-...

THE NSW government is planning to rely heavily on the carbon tax to cut greenhouse gas emissions until 2020, despite campaigning to have it abolished.

The three-yearly NSW State of the Environment report outlines some progress in cutting emissions but concedes the state's programs mostly exist to support the federal government's climate change efforts.

''The reduction of greenhouse gas emissions will be primarily addressed through the Commonwealth's Clean Energy Futures package, rather than through effort by individual states and territories,'' it says

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Reply #462 - Jan 24^th, 2013 at 8:29am

MOTR wrote on Jan 24^th, 2013 at 6:30am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 10:53pm:

New papers are destroying the co2 doomsday cult

First paper black carbon takes almost 50% off of co2 current warming of the earth.

Second paper tells us that
they found a very low climate sensitivity to co2

Third paper tells us Ocean-driven warming along the western Antarctic Peninsula needs to be considered as part of a natural centennial timescale cycle of climate variability

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/23/new-study-ocean-driven-warming-along-the-w...

Fourth paper tells us Solar Activity At End Of 20th Century Was At Highest Levels Of Past 9,000 Years

http://climaterealists.com/?id=11006

Back to the drawing board and this time, dont bring your closed minded doomsday cult and sack any and all of your leaders.

You seem pretty intent on trawling the denier blogs for an explanation for a warming that you actually deny, progs. It's pretty easy to cherry pick the bits that you like and ignore the rest of the paper.

I haven't had a good look at the last paper, but the authors of most of the papers you post here have come to a different conclusion to you.

There there, I know (with a tear in their eye), its hard. "it cant be true, it cant be true", the cultists say.

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Re: 2013 Australian heat wave has no precedent.
Reply #463 - Jan 24^th, 2013 at 8:42am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2013 at 7:41am:

V BRider wrote on Jan 24^th, 2013 at 7:28am:

WASHINGTON, Jan. 23, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ – A group of 20 ex-NASA scientists have concluded that the science used to support the man-made climate change hypothesis is not settled and no convincing physical evidence exists to support catastrophic climate change forecasts.

Seems all the catastrophic man made you know what is indeed bulltish, who would have thunk it.

Have a sticky over at notrickszone for more, cant link before you ask.

Thankfully some of the scientists avoided the Kool-Aid so freely supped at the cult of AGW

None of these former NASA scientists will submit their findings for peer review.....NASA has invited them to join the debate but the deniers have refused to support there claims with scientific evidence that can be scrutinised and peer reviewed!!!

Roll Eyes

What does NASA say?

“NASA sponsors research into many areas of cutting-edge scientific inquiry, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate," the agency's chief scientist, Dr. Waleed Abdalati, told The Huffington Post in an email. "As an agency, NASA does not draw conclusions and issue 'claims' about research findings. We support open scientific inquiry and discussion...If the authors of this letter disagree with specific scientific conclusions made public by NASA scientists, we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature or public forums rather than restrict any discourse.”

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Peer review Grin

...is that like getting your mates to agree with you. Thats just standing around comparing farts. Pretty much sums up the credibility of "climate science" peer review.

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Re: 2013 Australian heat wave has no precedent.
Reply #464 - Jan 24^th, 2013 at 9:31am

MOTR wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 9:10pm:

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It is not that common for the Australian-average temperature to exceed 39°C for even two days in a row. A run of three days above 39°C has occurred on only three occasions, and a run of four days just once, in 1972.

The current heat wave has seen a sequence of Australian temperatures above 39°C of seven days, and above 38°C of 11 days straight.

What are the odds of this without climate change?

the 'australian average temperature' is not something that has been religiously recorded the for last 100 years. Suddenly, this figure that no one has ever heard of before appears. and how many people recall a week of very hot weather from their pasts? all of us.

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