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Reply #15 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:15pm

I think you will find that most job seekers do not consider themselves "idle". How do you know it doesn't take all day anyway? Apparently the hoops centerlink makes you jump through take some time. Its stressful too so i would think that when they are done with a day of job seeking they dont want to go out and do manual labour - they want to rest and eat (if they have any food).

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Reply #16 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:24pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

I think you will find that most job seekers do not consider themselves "idle". How do you know it doesn't take all day anyway? Apparently the hoops centerlink makes you jump through take some time. Its stressful too so i would think that when they are done with a day of job seeking they dont want to go out and do manual labour - they want to rest and eat (if they have any food).

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So you argue that the unemployed are spending 8hrs per day 5 days per week looking for work or jumping centrelink hoops eh?

Well what the hey... it's a free country... you can choose to believe what ever you want to.

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Reply #17 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:29pm

Sappho wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

I think you will find that most job seekers do not consider themselves "idle". How do you know it doesn't take all day anyway? Apparently the hoops centerlink makes you jump through take some time. Its stressful too so i would think that when they are done with a day of job seeking they dont want to go out and do manual labour - they want to rest and eat (if they have any food).

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So you argue that the unemployed are spending 8hrs per day 5 days per week looking for work or jumping centrelink hoops eh?

Well what the hey... it's a free country... you can choose to believe what ever you want to.

So Spot, since they are spending soooo much time looking for work, there seems to be an argument that they should be spending that time at their Job Service Provider instead of doing it from home. That would save them some money on paper, internet, phone etc... and get them that meal your worried about.

Also, they'd be closer to Centrelink so the hoops are not so cumbersome.

So do you approve of full time job search training at the Job Agency SOB?

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Reply #18 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:04pm

Sappho wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

I think you will find that most job seekers do not consider themselves "idle". How do you know it doesn't take all day anyway? Apparently the hoops centerlink makes you jump through take some time. Its stressful too so i would think that when they are done with a day of job seeking they dont want to go out and do manual labour - they want to rest and eat (if they have any food).

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So you argue that the unemployed are spending 8hrs per day 5 days per week looking for work or jumping centrelink hoops eh?

Well what the hey... it's a free country... you can choose to believe what ever you want to.

So if it takes 7 hours you think they should be working for free for the other hour? Why? For punishment?

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Reply #19 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:09pm

Sappho wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Sappho wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

I think you will find that most job seekers do not consider themselves "idle". How do you know it doesn't take all day anyway? Apparently the hoops centerlink makes you jump through take some time. Its stressful too so i would think that when they are done with a day of job seeking they dont want to go out and do manual labour - they want to rest and eat (if they have any food).

SOB

So you argue that the unemployed are spending 8hrs per day 5 days per week looking for work or jumping centrelink hoops eh?

Well what the hey... it's a free country... you can choose to believe what ever you want to.

So Spot, since they are spending soooo much time looking for work, there seems to be an argument that they should be spending that time at their Job Service Provider instead of doing it from home. That would save them some money on paper, internet, phone etc... and get them that meal your worried about.

Also, they'd be closer to Centrelink so the hoops are not so cumbersome.

So do you approve of full time job search training at the Job Agency SOB?

I dont understand what you are suggesting. Are you saying ppl should spend all day @ centerlink? Why? Some kind of punishment?

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Reply #20 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:12pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Sappho wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

I think you will find that most job seekers do not consider themselves "idle". How do you know it doesn't take all day anyway? Apparently the hoops centerlink makes you jump through take some time. Its stressful too so i would think that when they are done with a day of job seeking they dont want to go out and do manual labour - they want to rest and eat (if they have any food).

SOB

So you argue that the unemployed are spending 8hrs per day 5 days per week looking for work or jumping centrelink hoops eh?

Well what the hey... it's a free country... you can choose to believe what ever you want to.

So if it takes 7 hours you think they should be working for free for the other hour? Why? For punishment?

SOB

Oh so it takes 7 hrs per day 5 days per week? Ok then, so I guess you'd agree with me that iff (if and only if) that is the case then they should be doing their Job Search from their job search agency within a full time (7hrs per day 5 days per week) job search training program so they can access all the resources they need cost free, so that they can be closer to centrelink and the hoops they put them through.... so that they can save their money, etc, etc.... Surely you see the benefits?

Otherwise, WFD is not a one hour per day 5 day per week program... so no I am not recommending that at all. WFD can only work if it is accepted that the unemployed are not engaged in full time looking for work... you reject that claim... we are now exploring the consequences and potentials of your claim that the unemployed are looking for work full time (7hrs per day 5 days per week).

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Reply #21 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:13pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:55am:

... wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:29am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 6:51am:

Actually i think its always been this way just a lil bit worse as the years go by. single ppl without kids are even worse off i think because they get nothing @ all. I have a friend who went off the single parent payment just before newman came into power in QLD. They worked with her and helped her get a job and "training" then newman sacked everyone. She hasnt even had a proper interview since because she is over 55 and only has the tr4aining she had on that job.

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Gee can anyone think why a 55 year old shouldn't be bludging off a single parent payment?

Shes a single parent. Is there an age limit?

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I think it's reasonable that they be cut off before their kids turn 30, don't you?

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Reply #22 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 2:39pm

... wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:55am:

... wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:29am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 6:51am:

Actually i think its always been this way just a lil bit worse as the years go by. single ppl without kids are even worse off i think because they get nothing @ all. I have a friend who went off the single parent payment just before newman came into power in QLD. They worked with her and helped her get a job and "training" then newman sacked everyone. She hasnt even had a proper interview since because she is over 55 and only has the tr4aining she had on that job.

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Gee can anyone think why a 55 year old shouldn't be bludging off a single parent payment?

Shes a single parent. Is there an age limit?

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I think it's reasonable that they be cut off before their kids turn 30, don't you?

Obviously if she just went off it her kid just turned 8.

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Reply #23 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 2:44pm

Sappho wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Sappho wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

I think you will find that most job seekers do not consider themselves "idle". How do you know it doesn't take all day anyway? Apparently the hoops centerlink makes you jump through take some time. Its stressful too so i would think that when they are done with a day of job seeking they dont want to go out and do manual labour - they want to rest and eat (if they have any food).

SOB

So you argue that the unemployed are spending 8hrs per day 5 days per week looking for work or jumping centrelink hoops eh?

Well what the hey... it's a free country... you can choose to believe what ever you want to.

So if it takes 7 hours you think they should be working for free for the other hour? Why? For punishment?

SOB

Oh so it takes 7 hrs per day 5 days per week? Ok then, so I guess you'd agree with me that iff (if and only if) that is the case then they should be doing their Job Search from their job search agency within a full time (7hrs per day 5 days per week) job search training program so they can access all the resources they need cost free, so that they can be closer to centrelink and the hoops they put them through.... so that they can save their money, etc, etc.... Surely you see the benefits?

Otherwise, WFD is not a one hour per day 5 day per week program... so no I am not recommending that at all. WFD can only work if it is accepted that the unemployed are not engaged in full time looking for work... you reject that claim... we are now exploring the consequences and potentials of your claim that the unemployed are looking for work full time (7hrs per day 5 days per week).

See you just repeated it again. Why should they spend all that time @ centerlink? Why not do it @ home? Hmm?

And why do you think all job seekers are idle? Were you idle when you were a job seeker?

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Reply #24 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 2:58pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 2:44pm:

Sappho wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Sappho wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

I think you will find that most job seekers do not consider themselves "idle". How do you know it doesn't take all day anyway? Apparently the hoops centerlink makes you jump through take some time. Its stressful too so i would think that when they are done with a day of job seeking they dont want to go out and do manual labour - they want to rest and eat (if they have any food).

SOB

So you argue that the unemployed are spending 8hrs per day 5 days per week looking for work or jumping centrelink hoops eh?

Well what the hey... it's a free country... you can choose to believe what ever you want to.

So if it takes 7 hours you think they should be working for free for the other hour? Why? For punishment?

SOB

Oh so it takes 7 hrs per day 5 days per week? Ok then, so I guess you'd agree with me that iff (if and only if) that is the case then they should be doing their Job Search from their job search agency within a full time (7hrs per day 5 days per week) job search training program so they can access all the resources they need cost free, so that they can be closer to centrelink and the hoops they put them through.... so that they can save their money, etc, etc.... Surely you see the benefits?

Otherwise, WFD is not a one hour per day 5 day per week program... so no I am not recommending that at all. WFD can only work if it is accepted that the unemployed are not engaged in full time looking for work... you reject that claim... we are now exploring the consequences and potentials of your claim that the unemployed are looking for work full time (7hrs per day 5 days per week).

See you just repeated it again. Why should they spend all that time @ centerlink? Why not do it @ home? Hmm?

Why do you want the unemployed on welfare spending money they cannot afford to spend on looking for work when they could do it for nothing at the Job Service Provider? Do you want to increase their suffering needlessly?

As for centrelink, I don't actually know what these hoops are to which you refer... you will have to clarify what you mean... or your lack of knowing which is more to the case.

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Reply #25 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 3:05pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 2:39pm:

... wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:55am:

... wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:29am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 6:51am:

Actually i think its always been this way just a lil bit worse as the years go by. single ppl without kids are even worse off i think because they get nothing @ all. I have a friend who went off the single parent payment just before newman came into power in QLD. They worked with her and helped her get a job and "training" then newman sacked everyone. She hasnt even had a proper interview since because she is over 55 and only has the tr4aining she had on that job.

SOB

Gee can anyone think why a 55 year old shouldn't be bludging off a single parent payment?

Shes a single parent. Is there an age limit?

SOB

I think it's reasonable that they be cut off before their kids turn 30, don't you?

Obviously if she just went off it her kid just turned 8.

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Which means she was at least 47 when she had her kid? I don't think so mate. I call BS.

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Reply #27 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 3:34pm

Sappho wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 2:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 2:44pm:

Sappho wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Sappho wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

I think you will find that most job seekers do not consider themselves "idle". How do you know it doesn't take all day anyway? Apparently the hoops centerlink makes you jump through take some time. Its stressful too so i would think that when they are done with a day of job seeking they dont want to go out and do manual labour - they want to rest and eat (if they have any food).

SOB

So you argue that the unemployed are spending 8hrs per day 5 days per week looking for work or jumping centrelink hoops eh?

Well what the hey... it's a free country... you can choose to believe what ever you want to.

So if it takes 7 hours you think they should be working for free for the other hour? Why? For punishment?

SOB

Oh so it takes 7 hrs per day 5 days per week? Ok then, so I guess you'd agree with me that iff (if and only if) that is the case then they should be doing their Job Search from their job search agency within a full time (7hrs per day 5 days per week) job search training program so they can access all the resources they need cost free, so that they can be closer to centrelink and the hoops they put them through.... so that they can save their money, etc, etc.... Surely you see the benefits?

Otherwise, WFD is not a one hour per day 5 day per week program... so no I am not recommending that at all. WFD can only work if it is accepted that the unemployed are not engaged in full time looking for work... you reject that claim... we are now exploring the consequences and potentials of your claim that the unemployed are looking for work full time (7hrs per day 5 days per week).

See you just repeated it again. Why should they spend all that time @ centerlink? Why not do it @ home? Hmm?

Why do you want the unemployed on welfare spending money they cannot afford to spend on looking for work when they could do it for nothing at the Job Service Provider? Do you want to increase their suffering needlessly?

As for centrelink, I don't actually know what these hoops are to which you refer... you will have to clarify what you mean... or your lack of knowing which is more to the case.

What can they do for nothing @ the service provider? Look for a job? They prolly do i dont know do you know? I doubt its a good idea to have everyone in that lil office though. They would need more staff and computers.

As for hoops well last i heard job seekers were supposed to provide evidence of 10 job interviews per fortnight in order to get a check. Thats 1 per day. Interviews! They have to find them then get ready for them and get to them etc.

You are aware this is a thread about single parents being put onto the dole suddenly and all @ once (what was the number 10k of them?). There are not that many jobs out there. These ppl cant do shift work either. They have to be rigid in their criteria for a job because they have to care for children.

BTW thats a bit dishonest trying to twist things ar5ound so it looks like im saying the opposite of what i say. Please refrain from that. Oh and how about answering my question too - why should they go to centerlink all day? Whats your reason?

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Reply #28 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 3:40pm

... wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 3:05pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 2:39pm:

... wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:55am:

... wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:29am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 6:51am:

Actually i think its always been this way just a lil bit worse as the years go by. single ppl without kids are even worse off i think because they get nothing @ all. I have a friend who went off the single parent payment just before newman came into power in QLD. They worked with her and helped her get a job and "training" then newman sacked everyone. She hasnt even had a proper interview since because she is over 55 and only has the tr4aining she had on that job.

SOB

Gee can anyone think why a 55 year old shouldn't be bludging off a single parent payment?

Shes a single parent. Is there an age limit?

SOB

I think it's reasonable that they be cut off before their kids turn 30, don't you?

Obviously if she just went off it her kid just turned 8.

SOB

Which means she was at least 47 when she had her kid? I don't think so mate. I call BS.

Actually the kid is 10. She didnt go off the pension because of the new law it was because she wanted to get a job and the kid was old enough. I just asked her. And yes she had the kid @ an older than usual age. Thing is because of the new thing she cant get back on the pension.

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Reply #29 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 3:53pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 3:34pm:

As for hoops well last i heard job seekers were supposed to provide evidence of 10 job interviews per fortnight in order to get a check. Thats 1 per day. Interviews! They have to find them then get ready for them and get to them etc.

Do you have evidence of that? No!
Can you get evidence of that? No!

And why don't you have or can't you get evidence? Because it is not true.

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You are aware this is a thread about single parents being put onto the dole suddenly and all @ once (what was the number 10k of them?). There are not that many jobs out there. These ppl cant do shift work either. They have to be rigid in their criteria for a job because they have to care for children.

Yet most of them are working part time already. So your pitiful attitutude towards these people is unnecessary and unwelcome. A more positive attitude towards their plight is welcomed by them and by those, such as myself, who work in welfare.

You can't do peeps... attitude destroyers is what you are.

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Oh and how about answering my question too - why should they go to centerlink all day? Whats your reason?

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When you can show me where i said that they should go to Centrelink all day, I will answer the question.

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