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Re: Single Parents
Reply #46 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 7:44pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 4:58am:

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More than that... why are you doing it in a thread about single mothers on new start when they are not required to complete a job seeker diary in the first place.

If they are on the dole dont they have to do it?

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Seriously?

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Why would they be exempt?

Because they are Principle Carers and, assuming that they have a full work capacity and no exemptions, their activity test requires that they look for work, study, training, vol work (as they wish it) of up to 15 hrs per week, which equates to 4-6 work efforts per fortnight depending upon where they are located.

A 'work effort' is not a 'job interview'. Rather, it is any effort made to secure work including cold canvasing, sending a resume etc.

Many principle carer's who have been long term unemployed are encouraged to return to study as their first option as they still attract the Education Entry Payment and Pensioner Education Suppliment coupled with JET (Jobs, Education, Training) Child Care Fee Relief which makes up the difference between the full cost of child care and the Child Care Benefit... meaning such parents pay less than $1 a day for child care and before/after school care.

Those parents who are Home Schooling their children, who have large families (4 or more children), who are already meeting their activity test requirements, who are caring for a child with special needs... and a plethora of other circumstances do not need to satisfy the looking for work, study, training, vol work test.. because they are exempt or already do what they need to do.

WFD is not a compulsory program for Principle Carers. Principle Carer's are not eligible for Full Time WFD.

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Obviously your post was full of crap.

Obviously you have no idea who you are debating with!

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You never addressed my point which is still that WFD is slave labour and should be given a proper wage and called a job.

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You are aware this is a thread about single parents being put onto the dole....

Because you said that this topic is about Single Parents, I assume in an attempt to get me back on topic... and now that I'm back on topic, you have an issue with that too it seems.

WFD is off topic. It has nothing to do with Principle Carer's. So I have no need to answer your off topic question.

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You are trolling me prolly because kat isnt here to moderate.

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Not trolling you at all. Just making sure that Centrelink customers are properly informed so they won't get spooked by you and your scare mongering.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Single Parents Reply #47 - Feb 6^th, 2013 at 5:53am Well thats a relief anyway that principle carers dont have to do WFD. I wouldn't be surprised if a government tries to make it so though. SOB
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Re: Single Parents
Reply #48 - Feb 6^th, 2013 at 6:31am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 4:58am:

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They? How can it be 'they' when you said it was 'someone' you knew. 'Someone' refers to one person, and 'they' refers to more than one person.

My grammar is correct. What is wrong with you?

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When what?

You said than and now - when was then?

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More than that... why are you doing it in a thread about single mothers on new start when they are not required to complete a job seeker diary in the first place.

If they are on the dole dont they have to do it? Seriously? Why would they be exempt?

Obviously your post was full of crap. You never addressed my point which is still that WFD is slave labour and should be given a proper wage and called a job. You are trolling me prolly

because kat isnt here to moderate.

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It probably wouldn't be a good idea to rely on that being the case. Not posting, and not being around are not the same thing. I did say that I'd still be here for this board.

KAt.

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Reply #49 - Feb 6^th, 2013 at 6:23pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6^th, 2013 at 5:53am:

I wouldn't be surprised if a government tries to make it so though.

SOB

Just despicable SOB... seems if you can't scare those in most need with lies masquerading as fact, you'll scare them with an unreasonable fear of future changes.

So for the customers out there... what SOB suggests is political suicide, because in order for principle carer's to be eligible for WFD, they must first increase their work capacity from 15 hrs per week to 22 hrs per week.

Now, 22 hrs per week may sound reasonable, but, these are single parents we are talking about, and society wants its parents to parent well. That takes time to do well... time that must be taken from the work week.

Nonetheless... good parenting also entails ensuring that your children see their parents contributing economically to society, lest those children become the product of generational welfare.

15hrs per week in economic participation improves their finacial situation, the own sense of self worth and improves the opportunities of their children who can see that there is more to life than welfare.

SOB... do you have anything positive to contribute to this thread? What for example do you think of the principle carer's activity test... not as bad as you reckoned surely?

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Re: Single Parents
Reply #50 - Feb 7^th, 2013 at 5:21am

Sappho wrote on Feb 6^th, 2013 at 6:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6^th, 2013 at 5:53am:

I wouldn't be surprised if a government tries to make it so though.

SOB

Just despicable SOB... seems if you can't scare those in most need with lies masquerading as fact, you'll scare them with an unreasonable fear of future changes.

So for the customers out there... what SOB suggests is political suicide, because in order for principle carer's to be eligible for WFD, they must first increase their work capacity from 15 hrs per week to 22 hrs per week.

Now, 22 hrs per week may sound reasonable, but, these are single parents we are talking about, and society wants its parents to parent well. That takes time to do well... time that must be taken from the work week.

Nonetheless... good parenting also entails ensuring that your children see their parents contributing economically to society, lest those children become the product of generational welfare.

15hrs per week in economic participation improves their finacial situation, the own sense of self worth and improves the opportunities of their children who can see that there is more to life than welfare.

SOB... do you have anything positive to contribute to this thread? What for example do you think of the principle carer's activity test... not as bad as you reckoned surely?

I see.

Well lay your extreme paranoia to rest you have caught me out. I am actually tony abbot in disguise come here to run a fear campaign.

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Reply #51 - Feb 7^th, 2013 at 7:17am

So I was right. You have nothing positive to contribute to the thread you started. That the whole idea of your thread was to scare single parents, who have enough on their plate already.

You offer no hope.
You offer no encouragement.
You offer no truths.

This thread then was nothing more than an excercise in trolling on your part at the expense on those most vunerable in our society.

You are a low life sir! Gutter trash no less... and it's a good thing that you and your ilk do not work in Welfare.

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Re: Single Parents
Reply #52 - Feb 7^th, 2013 at 9:06am

Sappho wrote on Feb 7^th, 2013 at 7:17am:

So I was right. You have nothing positive to contribute to the thread you started. That the whole idea of your thread was to scare single parents, who have enough on their plate already.

You offer no hope.
You offer no encouragement.
You offer no truths.

This thread then was nothing more than an excercise in trolling on your part at the expense on those most vunerable in our society.

You are a low life sir! Gutter trash no less... and it's a good thing that you and your ilk do not work in Welfare.

No and if you had any sense @ all you would see i was just trying to support kats new area by posting here.

You are paranoid. Seriously you should get some meds for it. I wasnt trying to scare anyone. I posted an article and mentioned my friend. Your paranoid semantics are ridiculous though and make it impossible to have a discussion.

Ah and FYI i did work in welfare for several years. You prolly shouldn't just assume things huh?

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Single Parents Reply #53 - Feb 7^th, 2013 at 10:22am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 7^th, 2013 at 9:06am: Ah and FYI i did work in welfare for several years. LOL. of course you did. Was that before or after you were a fighter pilot?
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Single Parents Reply #54 - Feb 7^th, 2013 at 10:43am ... wrote on Feb 7^th, 2013 at 10:22am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 7^th, 2013 at 9:06am: Ah and FYI i did work in welfare for several years. LOL. of course you did. Was that before or after you were a fighter pilot? I was never a fighter pilot. SOB
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Single Parents Reply #55 - Feb 7^th, 2013 at 11:06am I know.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Single Parents Reply #56 - Feb 7^th, 2013 at 5:19pm ... wrote on Feb 7^th, 2013 at 11:06am: I know. Then why did you say i was? SOB
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Single Parents Reply #59 - Feb 8^th, 2013 at 5:05am Go away troll SOB
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