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Jan 17^th, 2013 at 6:51am

Actually i think its always been this way just a lil bit worse as the years go by. single ppl without kids are even worse off i think because they get nothing @ all. I have a friend who went off the single parent payment just before newman came into power in QLD. They worked with her and helped her get a job and "training" then newman sacked everyone. She hasnt even had a proper interview since because she is over 55 and only has the tr4aining she had on that job.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/money/single-parents-face-double-welfare-hit/story...

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SINGLE parents forced on to the dole will have to wait up to six months for help in finding a job, a major welfare group says.

Mission Australia describes it as "a double whammy" for the tens of thousands of people the federal government transferred from the Parenting Payment to the lower Newstart Allowance on January 1.

Changes to the Job Services Australia system, that came into effect on July 1, means many of them will have to wait 26 weeks before they can access the intensive employment help they need.

Previously the waiting time was 13 weeks and the hours of assistance available under the system have been reduced from 40 to 25.

The changes worked against moving single parents onto Newstart, Mission Australia chief executive Toby Hall said.

"It's clear we're dealing with something ill-conceived," he wrote in The Australian on Monday.

"The less charitable would say it's all about delivering budget savings rather than a genuine attempt to get people off welfare."

The measure is forecast to save the government $780 million over four years.

Mr Hall says increasing Newstart by $50 a week would create an immediate mini economic stimulus as recipients spent the payment.

An increase should be complemented also by an increase in work experience funding to encourage real workplace-based activity, he says.

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Reply #2 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 8:35pm

In my experience, the Liberal party when in power offered far more assistance than does the current Labor party.

WFD for example was far more diverse than current offerings. People actually volunteered to participate. Then again, the Mutual Obligation program also offered many training opportunities including Green Corp a 'green' program, which the Labor party subsuequently reduced in size and scope. Personal Advisors worked one on one with customers experiencing boundaries to social and economic participation enabling referrals to a vast variety of progams and community services.

The Labor Govt offer little to assist those in need.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75273 Gender:	Re: Single Parents Reply #3 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 9:35pm Volunteering for Green Corp or any of the other myriad of programmes the libs had people working for, did nothing to help long term unemployed . It's just free labour.
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Reply #4 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 10:30pm

The work for the dole schemes are very good for those in long term unemployment. It helps their self-esteem, plus their bank account. The former is actually more important than the latter.
Growing up in country NSW I knew many 'unemployed losers' who hadn't worked a day in their life, nor had any money. But when the work for dole was offered, they took it up and the most significant change was their self-esteem in that they believed they were actually contributing to something and that this could lead onto other employment.

The thing is, people have to start somewhere; and if employers aren't going to give them a start, then work for the dole will.

Labor supporters just need to get this crappy idea out of their head that it's just some scheme to extract cheap labour power.

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Reply #5 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 5:33am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 10:30pm:

The work for the dole schemes are very good for those in long term unemployment. It helps their self-esteem, plus their bank account. The former is actually more important than the latter.
Growing up in country NSW I knew many 'unemployed losers' who hadn't worked a day in their life, nor had any money. But when the work for dole was offered, they took it up and the most significant change was their self-esteem in that they believed they were actually contributing to something and that this could lead onto other employment.

The thing is, people have to start somewhere; and if employers aren't going to give them a start, then work for the dole will.

Labor supporters just need to get this crappy idea out of their head that it's just some scheme to extract cheap labour power.

How exactly is it good for their pocket? They have to pay fares to get there and back!

Its slave labour. Most prolly the jobs that were sacked in the public service. They should just pay properly and call it a job.

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Reply #6 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 8:25am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 10:30pm:

The work for the dole schemes are very good for those in long term unemployment. It helps their self-esteem, plus their bank account. The former is actually more important than the latter.
Growing up in country NSW I knew many 'unemployed losers' who hadn't worked a day in their life, nor had any money. But when the work for dole was offered, they took it up and the most significant change was their self-esteem in that they believed they were actually contributing to something and that this could lead onto other employment.

The thing is, people have to start somewhere; and if employers aren't going to give them a start, then work for the dole will.

Labor supporters just need to get this crappy idea out of their head that it's just some scheme to extract cheap labour power.

They are free to volunteer at their local hospital if they want ... cheap labor is all the work for the dole is about ... councils save a fortune

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Reply #7 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:29am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 6:51am:

Actually i think its always been this way just a lil bit worse as the years go by. single ppl without kids are even worse off i think because they get nothing @ all. I have a friend who went off the single parent payment just before newman came into power in QLD. They worked with her and helped her get a job and "training" then newman sacked everyone. She hasnt even had a proper interview since because she is over 55 and only has the tr4aining she had on that job.

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Gee can anyone think why a 55 year old shouldn't be bludging off a single parent payment?

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Reply #8 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:31am

Under the Liberal government, WFD included projects like, working on community radio, community art, admin roles in community access centres, child care and of course labouring which what Labor has turned the program into almost exclusively.

As Kat points out, WFD does help long term unemployed through improving the person's self esteem, helping them learn a routine, understanding the work ethic, providing them with a current referee, and a valid certificate... But not if it is the ruins of a program that Labor has made WFD

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Reply #9 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:46am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 5:33am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 10:30pm:

The work for the dole schemes are very good for those in long term unemployment. It helps their self-esteem, plus their bank account. The former is actually more important than the latter.
Growing up in country NSW I knew many 'unemployed losers' who hadn't worked a day in their life, nor had any money. But when the work for dole was offered, they took it up and the most significant change was their self-esteem in that they believed they were actually contributing to something and that this could lead onto other employment.

The thing is, people have to start somewhere; and if employers aren't going to give them a start, then work for the dole will.

Labor supporters just need to get this crappy idea out of their head that it's just some scheme to extract cheap labour power.

How exactly is it good for their pocket? They have to pay fares to get there and back!

Its slave labour. Most prolly the jobs that were sacked in the public service. They should just pay properly and call it a job.

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This is the difference between yourself and myself; where you see exploitation, I see opportunities.

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Reply #10 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:55am

... wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:29am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 6:51am:

Actually i think its always been this way just a lil bit worse as the years go by. single ppl without kids are even worse off i think because they get nothing @ all. I have a friend who went off the single parent payment just before newman came into power in QLD. They worked with her and helped her get a job and "training" then newman sacked everyone. She hasnt even had a proper interview since because she is over 55 and only has the tr4aining she had on that job.

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Gee can anyone think why a 55 year old shouldn't be bludging off a single parent payment?

Shes a single parent. Is there an age limit?

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Reply #11 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:56am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:46am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 5:33am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 10:30pm:

The work for the dole schemes are very good for those in long term unemployment. It helps their self-esteem, plus their bank account. The former is actually more important than the latter.
Growing up in country NSW I knew many 'unemployed losers' who hadn't worked a day in their life, nor had any money. But when the work for dole was offered, they took it up and the most significant change was their self-esteem in that they believed they were actually contributing to something and that this could lead onto other employment.

The thing is, people have to start somewhere; and if employers aren't going to give them a start, then work for the dole will.

Labor supporters just need to get this crappy idea out of their head that it's just some scheme to extract cheap labour power.

How exactly is it good for their pocket? They have to pay fares to get there and back!

Its slave labour. Most prolly the jobs that were sacked in the public service. They should just pay properly and call it a job.

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This is the difference between yourself and myself; where you see exploitation, I see opportunities.

So exploitation is okay then?

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Reply #12 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 11:00am

Job advertisements have dropped for 10 months... back to back... with the overall drop in jobs advertised being 18%

In light of that... I do not think that the current WFD program is exploitation or opportunity... Rather, it is a program could once again be a valuable tool for that pool of unemployed who, due to a ligitimate lack of jobs, will experience longer periods of unemployment.

It is a valuable tool, because if properly facilitated, as the Liberal party did, ensuring variety of work experience that engages the community in meaningful ways... it would reduce the level of idleness experienced by the unemployed.

And incase you didn't know... idleness is very bad for humans.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Single Parents Reply #13 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 11:06am If someone is looking for work that doesnt mean they are "idle" you know. Making them do slave labour can make them have less time to actually job search. SOB
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Reply #14 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:09pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 11:06am:

If someone is looking for work that doesnt mean they are "idle" you know. Making them do slave labour can make them have less time to actually job search.

Pfft... looking for work for is not a full time task. Many hours are left idle per day. Also, working at the local community radio or on the local art project, or learning how an office runs in the local neighbourhood house... as examples of WFD under Liberal party... are not examples of slave labour... but are examples of valuable experience gained in meaningful ways.

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I made some very important points which you have missed, and subsequently, your reply is irrelevent. So, I have highlighted the important points you missed to help you understand better the view I have expressed.

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Job advertisements have dropped for 10 months... back to back...

with the overall drop in jobs advertised being 18%

In light of that... I do not think that the current WFD program is exploitation or opportunity...

Rather, it is a program could once again be a valuable tool for that pool of unemployed

who, due to a ligitimate lack of jobs, will experience longer periods of unemployment.

It is a valuable tool,

because if properly facilitated, as the Liberal party did,

ensuring variety of work experience that engages the community in meaningful ways...

it would reduce the level of idleness experienced by the unemployed.

And incase you didn't know... idleness is very bad for humans.

Otherwise, looking for work in such a climate is very disheartening, so good to have community engagement to maintain a sense of self worth.

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