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Reply #15 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 9:56am
 
Emma wrote on Jan 24th, 2013 at 10:17pm:
please define 'victimhoods' ... that might spread a little light in the muck. Cool



Someone who is overly sensitive and believes all their problems are due to being "oppressed" by an "other."
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Reply #16 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 6:54pm
 
no no

victimhoods  means more than one..... and it's not even a proper word...hence my request for a definition... 
your poor effort doesn't do it.

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Reply #17 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:21pm
 
Emma wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 6:54pm:
no no

victimhoods  means more than one..... and it's not even a proper word...hence my request for a definition... 
your poor effort doesn't do it.




This was a catfight between feminists (Moore, Burchill) who made remarks about transsexual "women" (men who cut off their own d!cks and pretend to be women). The latter took umbridge.
At issue: they say that these feminists (a victim category) are victimising them. Trannies want to be woman victims on speed.
The women, rightly, told them to get a grip (except, being d!ckless blokes pretending to be 'women', they don't actually have anything to grip).
Who is right? Who has the proper claim to special consideration?

More importantly, can biological women withhold feminist endorsement (victimhood status) from men who happened to have cut off their d!cks and are now pretending to be even more sensitive to feminist issues than actual women.

At heart - what makes a woman? Is it really nothing more than lack of a penis???

The d!ckless wonders want to enforce this line.

The natural born women want to maintain gender difference based on BIOLOGY!
How fooking topsy-turvy is THAT??? Women insisting on biological difference!




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Reply #18 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:51pm
 
well for a start Soren
I don't see feminists as victims,..... you call them victims.

And your  posts re the issue(s) you are covering.. the trans-sexuals vs real women... and the actual protagonists you refer to, are a minute part of the reality of  life. Gender is various.

You seem confused in your apprehension of womanhood.

No woman would suggest there are not biological differences... that's simply absurd.! Why you think women don't understand this is a mystery to me. And possibly, if you think about it, to you.

Women are just as varied in their opinions as men... we are all human.... tho that broad category just isn't enough for you, it seems,  as you go on and on about women being this and that,  and its all just garbage really..

Feminists aren't victims,  altho many of them may well have been subject to physical, verbal, psychological and institutional abuse because of their gender.

You just can't lump people into comfortable groups of stereotypes...it is silly. Smiley
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Reply #19 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 8:36am
 
Feminists set themselves up as victims. Feminism is predicated on the belief women are controlled and defined by a patriarchy. The major drive of feminism is to break free of this control.
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Reply #20 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 9:33am
 
Emma wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:51pm:
Feminists aren't victims



Exactly right. But you try telling them that.
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Reply #21 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 9:36am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:21pm:
At heart - what makes a woman? Is it really nothing more than lack of a penis???



Biologically, female is defined by having the bigger sex cells (eggs are many times bigger than sperm)

Thus no eggs, you're not female and never will be.
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Reply #22 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 9:41am
 

Collectively, they'd make great rose-fertiliser.

Not much use for anything else.....
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Reply #23 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 9:15pm
 
Emma wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:51pm:
well for a start Soren
I don't see feminists as victims,..... you call them victims.

And your  posts re the issue(s) you are covering.. the trans-sexuals vs real women... and the actual protagonists you refer to, are a minute part of the reality of  life. Gender is various.

You seem confused in your apprehension of womanhood.

No woman would suggest there are not biological differences... that's simply absurd.! Why you think women don't understand this is a mystery to me. And possibly, if you think about it, to you.

Women are just as varied in their opinions as men... we are all human.... tho that broad category just isn't enough for you, it seems,  as you go on and on about women being this and that,  and its all just garbage really..

Feminists aren't victims,  altho many of them may well have been subject to physical, verbal, psychological and institutional abuse because of their gender.

You just can't lump people into comfortable groups of stereotypes...it is silly. Smiley
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Be still, my beating heart. Mind - take over for a little minute.

The article, and the controversy, is about women who know what it is to be women on the one hand, and men who have cut off their d!cks and so want the privileges of the oppressed and disadvantaged that comes with being a woman in a hetronormative, phallocentric, sexist society such as ours, on the other hand.

Can a d!ckless bloke be as much of a woman as you, to put it as crudely as I can.



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Reply #24 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 9:53pm
 
Ok we'll stick with the stoush of the multisexuals.

The short answer?? 

YES.

Shocked?? 

Males and females do not think the same.. agreed>?
Because???  there are different hormonal imperatives, to put it as simply as possible.
The brain works differently between males and females.. to put it simply.

It is known, I understand, that given certain circumstances during the conception and gestational period of a fetus,  typical gender determining processes can become disrupted..  and a fetus which should have been female,  is born male. For example.

Now... if that disruption resulted in the male child having the characteristics of a female child, in mind  and/or body,..  if the  child is so affected as to know there was a problem,  instinctively,  and this imbalance is actively corrected through surgery and hormone treatment,  THEN,  I see no difference... she would be as female as I.

Well thats my opinion anyway.. 
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Reply #25 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 10:05pm
 
The article, and the controversy, is about women who know what it is to be women on the one hand, and men who have cut off their d!cks and so want the privileges of the oppressed and disadvantaged that comes with being a woman in a hetronormative, phallocentric, sexist society such as ours, .....

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Good grief Charley Brown.... 
the PRIVILEGES ............................................that comes with being a woman in.........................???? Que?? 

what privileges, ?? what a joke....    Oh you mean like the privilege of being raped, like virtually all women have... like in India... THEN blamed.??

The privilege of working for unequal pay, or no pay..  ??  any more PRIVILEGES you can think of??? 

oppressed and disadvantaged,  yeah?

Like... when I hear people whinging because they think first Australians,  and now ironically newest Australians are getting much too much  .... handed on a plate/....... and I ask them.... So,  you'd really prefer to be one of them.. then,  because they have it so good.???

What a bad sad joke. Sad

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Reply #26 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 11:31pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 9:56am:
Emma wrote on Jan 24th, 2013 at 10:17pm:
please define 'victimhoods' ... that might spread a little light in the muck. Cool



Someone who is overly sensitive and believes all their problems are due to being "oppressed" by an "other."


Gee. Now where have we heard that before?

Ah, yes. We used to have a poster here, went by the name of Bolshie. Everything was caused by these chaps called leftists. War, famine, weather. They were a sort of a demonic signifier for all the evils in the world. He once called them a hydra.

He worked at a uni, Mistie.
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Reply #27 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 11:41pm
 
Emma wrote on Jan 26th, 2013 at 9:53pm:
Ok we'll stick with the stoush of the multisexuals.

The short answer?? 

YES.

Shocked?? 

Males and females do not think the same.. agreed>?
Because???  there are different hormonal imperatives, to put it as simply as possible.
The brain works differently between males and females.. to put it simply.

It is known, I understand, that given certain circumstances during the conception and gestational period of a fetus,  typical gender determining processes can become disrupted..  and a fetus which should have been female,  is born male. For example.

Now... if that disruption resulted in the male child having the characteristics of a female child, in mind  and/or body,..  if the  child is so affected as to know there was a problem,  instinctively,  and this imbalance is actively corrected through surgery and hormone treatment,  THEN,  I see no difference... she would be as female as I.

Well thats my opinion anyway.. 


What a load of biologically determinist tosh. Gender is a socially constructed ideological phenomenon. It consists of power and knowledge (to put it crudely).

We at the Faculty of Pakistani and Post Colonial Queer Studies will not truck with such empiricist, hegemonic male ideology. You really need to read Deluze, dear.

Get with the program.
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Reply #28 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 11:42pm
 
Bolshie didn't believe in victimhood. He only saw opportunities and potentialities.
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Reply #29 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 11:46pm
 
How do you get oppressed by a 'social construction'?
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