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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #255 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:47am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Yes Gizmo,
It seems that the Nuremberg trials were just victors justice as Goering said.

I would say that all wars are evil & a crime unless for self defense but even then
there has to be limits which were well exceeded in Vietnam.

The whole war was based on a false flag operation in the Gulf of Tonkin.
That alone makes it a contrived illegal war.

What are you talking about???
Vietnam was NOT based solely on the Gulf of Tonkin incident....it was about the attempted military takeover of South Vietnam by North Vietnam. The Americans were involved in an advisory capacity years before the Tonkin incident. After the USS Maddox got into a fire-fight with NVN boats, the US did increase their military involvement..

BTW, the 'false flag' Tonkin incident took place 2 DAYS after the real one..

The Tonkin incident was a contrived lie used as a pretext to get America into a war.
It is evil to do that.

so was the 911 world trade center building demolitions. Bush and co couldn't wait to go to Iraq and pilfer the oil Sad

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107162 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime? Reply #256 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:51am Nail, Quote: so was the 911 world trade center building demolitions. Bush and co couldn't wait to go to Iraq and pilfer the oil Yes Nail, just imagine what would happen if Iran invaded Iraq to get that oil? The Yanks would be so pissed.
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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #257 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:04am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Yes Gizmo,
It seems that the Nuremberg trials were just victors justice as Goering said.

I would say that all wars are evil & a crime unless for self defense but even then
there has to be limits which were well exceeded in Vietnam.

The whole war was based on a false flag operation in the Gulf of Tonkin.
That alone makes it a contrived illegal war.

What are you talking about???
Vietnam was NOT based solely on the Gulf of Tonkin incident....it was about the attempted military takeover of South Vietnam by North Vietnam. The Americans were involved in an advisory capacity years before the Tonkin incident. After the USS Maddox got into a fire-fight with NVN boats, the US did increase their military involvement..

BTW, the 'false flag' Tonkin incident took place 2 DAYS after the real one..

The Tonkin incident was a contrived lie used as a pretext to get America into a war.
It is evil to do that.

Yeah, especially considering it took place NINE YEARS after America got 'involved'...

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107162 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime? Reply #258 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:06am Gizmo - a lie is a lie. When it's used as a pretext for an illegal war then it's criminal & a war crime.
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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #259 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:07am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:51am:

Nail,
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so was the 911 world trade center building demolitions. Bush and co couldn't wait to go to Iraq and pilfer the oil

Yes Nail,
just imagine what would happen if Iran invaded Iraq again to get that oil?
The Yanks would be so pissed.

Jesus, what a dope.

Hey Einstein, it was Iraq that invaded Iran.

Tell me, who invaded Kuwait?

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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #260 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:10am

KJT1981 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:51am:

Nail,
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so was the 911 world trade center building demolitions. Bush and co couldn't wait to go to Iraq and pilfer the oil

Yes Nail,
just imagine what would happen if Iran invaded Iraq again to get that oil?
The Yanks would be so pissed.

Jesus, what a dope.

Hey Einstein, it was Iraq that invaded Iran.

Tell me, who invaded Kuwait?

Well the Iranians are becoming more powerful & will soon have nukes.

It's a possibility that they will invade Iraq.

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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #261 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:35am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

Gizmo - a lie is a lie.

When it's used as a pretext for an illegal war then it's criminal & a war crime.

Bullshit Bobby...point 1..It wasn't a lie, there really was a battle (small in truth) on August the 2nd 1964, and another reported battle (which turned out to be false) on August the 4th 1964..

The NSA reported the second one, and it's possible they just misread radar 'ghost' (echoes bouncing around because of atmospheric conditions, which was common with the older radars)

The first battle involved damage to the US ship and a fighter plane, lots of expended rounds, damage to 3 NVN torpedo boats, and 4 dead and 6 injured NVN saliors..ALL of which North Vietnam confirmed...

So it's not a 'lie to get the US involved', they'd been involved since 1955...

Please at least try to do research that involves more than listening to the first random stranger on the internet who shouts 'False Flag'......it doesn't help your case when, at the first whisper of a false flag, you seem to take your brain out and flush it down the dunny...

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107162 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime? Reply #262 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:38am But only as advisors - check your history.
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KJT1981 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1822	Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime? Reply #263 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:40am Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:38am: But only as advisors - check your history. You mean the history that Iran is going to invade Iraq AGAIN?
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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #264 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:42am

KJT1981 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

But only as advisors - check your history.

You mean the history that Iran is going to invade Iraq AGAIN?

Again - deleted - thanks for pointing out this error.

I am the only person except master Light who admits errors.

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime? Reply #265 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:51am Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:38am: But only as advisors - check your history. Check your own....The 'advisors' particpated in, and lead military operations. The term 'miltary advisor' has been a joke term for mercenary/covert operatives since before I started school...
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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #266 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:54am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

KJT1981 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

But only as advisors - check your history.

You mean the history that Iran is going to invade Iraq AGAIN?

Again - deleted - thanks for pointing out this error.

I am the only person except master Light who admits errors.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.
Neither of you ever admit errors...If Wharfy admitted errors, he'd have left this forum 2 years ago, like he promised to do if he was proven wrong (and he was shown to be wrong)

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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #267 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:08pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

KJT1981 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

But only as advisors - check your history.

You mean the history that Iran is going to invade Iraq AGAIN?

Again - deleted - thanks for pointing out this error.

I am the only person except master Light who admits errors.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.
Neither of you ever admit errors...If Wharfy admitted errors, he'd have left this forum 2 years ago, like he promised to do if he was proven wrong (and he was shown to be wrong)

Forgiven for false statements
namaste

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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #268 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:31pm

KJT1981 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:51am:

Nail,
Quote:

so was the 911 world trade center building demolitions. Bush and co couldn't wait to go to Iraq and pilfer the oil

Yes Nail,
just imagine what would happen if Iran invaded Iraq again to get that oil?
The Yanks would be so pissed.

Jesus, what a dope.

Hey Einstein, it was Iraq that invaded Iran.

Tell me, who invaded Kuwait?

And why did Iraq invade Kuwait ??

Look further. Follow the oil trail and you will find the answer Wink

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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #269 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 4:25pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

KJT1981 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:51am:

Nail,
Quote:

so was the 911 world trade center building demolitions. Bush and co couldn't wait to go to Iraq and pilfer the oil

Yes Nail,
just imagine what would happen if Iran invaded Iraq again to get that oil?
The Yanks would be so pissed.

Jesus, what a dope.

Hey Einstein, it was Iraq that invaded Iran.

Tell me, who invaded Kuwait?

And why did Iraq invade Kuwait ??

Look further. Follow the oil trail and you will find the answer Wink

Or it could have been the fact that Iraq owed Kuwait US$14 billion and didn't have the money to pay them..

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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