Australian Politics Forum - Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?

Kat

Gold Member

Offline

Socialism IS the answer.

Posts: 17709
Everywhere and no-where
Gender: female

Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #270 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 6:33pm

Basically, the US had three choices in Vietnam....

1/ Remain uninvolved. This would have been the correct technical response
if harsh and inhumane.

2/ Advise/support the 'North' Vietnamese, who, bottom-line, were fighting
for Vietnamese independence from France. This would have been the correct
response from a humanitarian/freedom-support point of view.

or

3/ Support the French-controlled puppet 'South' Vietnamese, thereby supporting
and perpetuating Colonial rule in Vietnam. Neither humane, nor politically desirable.

Sadly, the irrational fear and misunderstanding of communism that the USA
suffers from, no doubt combined with a bit of pocket-piddling left-over from
WW2 days, blinded the US and its allies to the fact that, IN THIS INSTANCE
the right thing to do would have been to assist HCM, not fight him.

He realised this himself, and actually asked the US for assistance to help free
Vietnam from French rule. They told him to blow it out his ass. So, just what
sort of response did they expect from him after that?

So, was 'our' involvement in Vietnam a war-crime? Well, no, not per se.

But we DID choose the wrong side, and it was entirely due to the FUD (that the
Seppolians swallow as fact) surrounding communism. Hell, even today they (AND
many of YOU) can't even distinguish between socialism and communism. No, they
are not the same thing at all.

OH, BTW, don't DARE to twist this to imply that I have anything but the utmost
respect for those who actually fought in Vietnam. On BOTH sides.

Oh, nor am I a communist.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Jan 27^th, 2013 at 7:16pm by Kat »

IP Logged

FRED.

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 3698

Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #271 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 11:52am

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Basically, the US had three choices in Vietnam....

1/ Remain uninvolved. This would have been the correct technical response
if harsh and inhumane.

2/ Advise/support the 'North' Vietnamese, who, bottom-line, were fighting
for Vietnamese independence from France. This would have been the correct
response from a humanitarian/freedom-support point of view.

or

3/ Support the French-controlled puppet 'South' Vietnamese, thereby supporting
and perpetuating Colonial rule in Vietnam. Neither humane, nor politically desirable.

Sadly, the irrational fear and misunderstanding of communism that the USA
suffers from, no doubt combined with a bit of pocket-piddling left-over from
WW2 days, blinded the US and its allies to the fact that, IN THIS INSTANCE
the right thing to do would have been to assist HCM, not fight him.

He realised this himself, and actually asked the US for assistance to help free
Vietnam from French rule. They told him to blow it out his ass. So, just what
sort of response did they expect from him after that?

So, was 'our' involvement in Vietnam a war-crime? Well, no, not per se.

But we DID choose the wrong side, and it was entirely due to the FUD (that the
Seppolians swallow as fact) surrounding communism. Hell, even today they (AND
many of YOU) can't even distinguish between socialism and communism. No, they
are not the same thing at all.

OH, BTW, don't DARE to twist this to imply that I have anything but the utmost
respect for those who actually fought in Vietnam. On BOTH sides.

Oh, nor am I a communist.

KAT
Try reading this Book "VIETNAM THE AUSTRALIAN WAR"

BY PAUL HAM Instead of trying to REWRITE HISTORY like the MORONS ON THIS SITE

Back to top

IP Logged

woody2014

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2044
NTH EAST VIC
Gender: male

Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #272 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 1:05pm

FRED. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Basically, the US had three choices in Vietnam....

1/ Remain uninvolved. This would have been the correct technical response
if harsh and inhumane.

2/ Advise/support the 'North' Vietnamese, who, bottom-line, were fighting
for Vietnamese independence from France. This would have been the correct
response from a humanitarian/freedom-support point of view.

or

3/ Support the French-controlled puppet 'South' Vietnamese, thereby supporting
and perpetuating Colonial rule in Vietnam. Neither humane, nor politically desirable.

Sadly, the irrational fear and misunderstanding of communism that the USA
suffers from, no doubt combined with a bit of pocket-piddling left-over from
WW2 days, blinded the US and its allies to the fact that, IN THIS INSTANCE
the right thing to do would have been to assist HCM, not fight him.

He realised this himself, and actually asked the US for assistance to help free
Vietnam from French rule. They told him to blow it out his ass. So, just what
sort of response did they expect from him after that?

So, was 'our' involvement in Vietnam a war-crime? Well, no, not per se.

But we DID choose the wrong side, and it was entirely due to the FUD (that the
Seppolians swallow as fact) surrounding communism. Hell, even today they (AND
many of YOU) can't even distinguish between socialism and communism. No, they
are not the same thing at all.

OH, BTW, don't DARE to twist this to imply that I have anything but the utmost
respect for those who actually fought in Vietnam. On BOTH sides.

Oh, nor am I a communist.

KAT
Try reading this Book "VIETNAM THE AUSTRALIAN WAR"

BY PAUL HAM Instead of trying to REWRITE HISTORY like the MORONS ON THIS SITE

That's a good book freddy But they wont read it to dumb Angry

Back to top

THE DUMB LEFTIES ON THIS BOARD DONT KNOW IF THERE WINDING THEIR ARSE OR SCRATCHING THEIR WATCH

IP Logged

Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107162 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime? Reply #273 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:08pm Fred, Quote: Instead of trying to REWRITE HISTORY like the MORONS ON THIS SITE As if Fred is a genius - what a joke.
Back to top	IP Logged

FRED. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3698	Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime? Reply #274 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:14pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:08pm: Fred, Quote: Instead of trying to REWRITE HISTORY like the MORONS ON THIS SITE As if Fred is a genius - what a joke. Smart enough not get bugger ked up the ar se by rustynails pillow biter
Back to top	IP Logged

KJT1981 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1822	Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime? Reply #275 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:16pm FRED. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:08pm: Fred, Quote: Instead of trying to REWRITE HISTORY like the MORONS ON THIS SITE As if Fred is a genius - what a joke. Smart enough not get bugger ked up the ar se by rustynails pillow biter Fred, you are awful!
Back to top	IP Logged

Bobby.

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 107162
Melbourne
Gender: male

Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #276 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:22pm

FRED. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

Fred,
Quote:

Instead of trying to REWRITE HISTORY like the MORONS ON THIS SITE

As if Fred is a genius - what a joke. Grin

Smart enough not get bugger ked up the ar se by rustynails pillow biter Grin

That's disgusting Fred - I should report you to a moderator.

Back to top

IP Logged

Swagman

Gold Member

Offline

Beware of cheap imitations......

Posts: 15095
Illawarra NSW
Gender: male

Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #277 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:26pm

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Basically, the US had three choices in Vietnam....

1/ Remain uninvolved. This would have been the correct technical response
if harsh and inhumane.

2/ Advise/support the 'North' Vietnamese, who, bottom-line, were fighting
for Vietnamese independence from France. This would have been the correct
response from a humanitarian/freedom-support point of view.

or

3/ Support the French-controlled puppet 'South' Vietnamese, thereby supporting
and perpetuating Colonial rule in Vietnam. Neither humane, nor politically desirable.

Sadly, the irrational fear and misunderstanding of communism that the USA
suffers from, no doubt combined with a bit of pocket-piddling left-over from
WW2 days, blinded the US and its allies to the fact that, IN THIS INSTANCE
the right thing to do would have been to assist HCM, not fight him.

He realised this himself, and actually asked the US for assistance to help free
Vietnam from French rule. They told him to blow it out his ass. So, just what
sort of response did they expect from him after that?

So, was 'our' involvement in Vietnam a war-crime? Well, no, not per se.

But we DID choose the wrong side, and it was entirely due to the FUD (that the
Seppolians swallow as fact) surrounding communism. Hell, even today they (AND
many of YOU) can't even distinguish between socialism and communism. No, they
are not the same thing at all.

OH, BTW, don't DARE to twist this to imply that I have anything but the utmost
respect for those who actually fought in Vietnam. On BOTH sides.

Oh, nor am I a communist.

.....hindsight vision is always 20/20.

It was the middle of the Cold War. Half of Europe was under the Commie yolk And communism was the new Nazism. It had to be checked where ever it raised its hammer and sickle.

Back to top

IP Logged

Sir lastnail

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 30111
Gender: male

Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #278 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:31pm

FRED. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

Fred,
Quote:

Instead of trying to REWRITE HISTORY like the MORONS ON THIS SITE

As if Fred is a genius - what a joke. Grin

Smart enough not get bugger ked up the ar se by rustynails pillow biter Grin

hey fred weren't you one of the ones that got effected by agent orange ?

you can tell by all of your two word responses on this forum !

Back to top

In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

IP Logged

FRED.

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 3698

Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #279 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:42pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

FRED. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

Fred,
Quote:

Instead of trying to REWRITE HISTORY like the MORONS ON THIS SITE

As if Fred is a genius - what a joke. Grin

Smart enough not get bugger ked up the ar se by rustynails pillow biter Grin

hey fred weren't you one of the ones that got effected by agent orange ?

you can tell by all of your two word responses on this forum !

WOW that makes you a clever Little POO PUSHER Grin

Back to top

IP Logged

FriYAY

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 7395

Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #280 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 3:12pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Yes Gizmo,
It seems that the Nuremberg trials were just victors justice as Goering said.

I would say that all wars are evil & a crime unless for self defense but even then
there has to be limits which were well exceeded in Vietnam.

The whole war was based on a false flag operation in the Gulf of Tonkin.
That alone makes it a contrived illegal war.

What are you talking about???
Vietnam was NOT based solely on the Gulf of Tonkin incident....it was about the attempted military takeover of South Vietnam by North Vietnam. The Americans were involved in an advisory capacity years before the Tonkin incident. After the USS Maddox got into a fire-fight with NVN boats, the US did increase their military involvement..

BTW, the 'false flag' Tonkin incident took place 2 DAYS after the real one..

The Tonkin incident was a contrived lie used as a pretext to get America into a war.
It is evil to do that.

so was the 911 world trade center building demolitions. Bush and co couldn't wait to go to Iraq and pilfer the oil Sad

It amazes me that someone didn't walk up to the people setting those massive buildings up for demolition and ask WTF they were doing planting explosives all over the dam place.

Back to top

IP Logged

KJT1981 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1822	Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime? Reply #281 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 3:29pm so was the 911 world trade center building demolitions. Bush and co couldn't wait to go to Iraq and pilfer the oil Well nails, that removes all doubt that you are an idiot. Hope you and bobby have a happy life. BTW, does your wife know about bobby?
Back to top	IP Logged

gizmo_2655

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male

Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #282 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 3:49pm

FriYAY wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 3:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Yes Gizmo,
It seems that the Nuremberg trials were just victors justice as Goering said.

I would say that all wars are evil & a crime unless for self defense but even then
there has to be limits which were well exceeded in Vietnam.

The whole war was based on a false flag operation in the Gulf of Tonkin.
That alone makes it a contrived illegal war.

What are you talking about???
Vietnam was NOT based solely on the Gulf of Tonkin incident....it was about the attempted military takeover of South Vietnam by North Vietnam. The Americans were involved in an advisory capacity years before the Tonkin incident. After the USS Maddox got into a fire-fight with NVN boats, the US did increase their military involvement..

BTW, the 'false flag' Tonkin incident took place 2 DAYS after the real one..

The Tonkin incident was a contrived lie used as a pretext to get America into a war.
It is evil to do that.

so was the 911 world trade center building demolitions. Bush and co couldn't wait to go to Iraq and pilfer the oil Sad

It amazes me that someone didn't walk up to the people setting those massive buildings up for demolition and ask WTF they were doing planting explosives all over the dam place.

Yeah, I've always wondered about that.
I read a comment from demolition expert about how long it would take to wire up the Towers....something like 9 months and 300 kilometres of cabling. Odd that no-one tripped over it going into work that morning..

Back to top

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat

IP Logged

Sir lastnail

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 30111
Gender: male

Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #283 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 3:51pm

KJT1981 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

so was the 911 world trade center building demolitions. Bush and co couldn't wait to go to Iraq and pilfer the oil

Well nails, that removes all doubt that you are an idiot. Hope you and bobby have a happy life. BTW, does your wife know about bobby?

well if george wanker bush says something then it must be true Grin

Back to top

In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

IP Logged

FriYAY

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 7395

Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #284 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 4:03pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 3:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Yes Gizmo,
It seems that the Nuremberg trials were just victors justice as Goering said.

I would say that all wars are evil & a crime unless for self defense but even then
there has to be limits which were well exceeded in Vietnam.

The whole war was based on a false flag operation in the Gulf of Tonkin.
That alone makes it a contrived illegal war.

What are you talking about???
Vietnam was NOT based solely on the Gulf of Tonkin incident....it was about the attempted military takeover of South Vietnam by North Vietnam. The Americans were involved in an advisory capacity years before the Tonkin incident. After the USS Maddox got into a fire-fight with NVN boats, the US did increase their military involvement..

BTW, the 'false flag' Tonkin incident took place 2 DAYS after the real one..

The Tonkin incident was a contrived lie used as a pretext to get America into a war.
It is evil to do that.

so was the 911 world trade center building demolitions. Bush and co couldn't wait to go to Iraq and pilfer the oil Sad

It amazes me that someone didn't walk up to the people setting those massive buildings up for demolition and ask WTF they were doing planting explosives all over the dam place.

Yeah, I've always wondered about that.
I read a comment from demolition expert about how long it would take to wire up the Towers....something like 9 months and 300 kilometres of cabling. Odd that no-one tripped over it going into work that morning..

They must have done it when everyone was at smoko.

Back to top

IP Logged

Poll
Question: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
yes 12 (42.9%) no 15 (53.6%) not sure 1 (3.6%) Total votes: 28 « Created by: Bobby. on: Jan 25^th, 2013 at 8:27am »