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Question: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?

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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #45 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:47am
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:33am:
FRED. wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 9:56am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:17am:
Don’t get me started on Nam. Of course it was a bloody war crime. You think we followed the Geneva Convention over there?

You trumped up, flagwaving old ladies don’t have a clue about Nam. Don’t get me started.



Nam  = You mean Vietnam

Were you there  Wink Wink



You're bloody right I've been there. And I know how to spell Vietnam, you goose.

Stop talking out of your arse. If you think bombing a nation of rice farmers back to the stone age does not constitute a war crime - and, just to be on the safe side, popping into the countries next door and bombing the sh!t out of them as well - you're a bigger dill than most the other nuts in this thread.

And that's saying something. Look at them.

Sure. The Amerikan-backed Diem invited us all in to defend South Vietnam - it was a bit embarrassing for Menzies to send in the troops before he got the letter, but who's going to complain? And tell me this - which Cambodian and Laotian leaders invited us in to blow them up?

The Yanks dropped more TNT on Cambodia than they did in the entire second world war. It was known as Nixon's secret war. How can you drop more ammo than WWII on a tiny country in South East Asia and keep it a secret?

It was only kept secret from the Amerikan voters, but they're easily conned. How many of them can spell Vietnam?

Thanks for the spelling lesson, son. Maybe your next lesson can be about what constitutes a war crime.

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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #46 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:50am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:33am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:20am:
There were many events in the war which would be considered war crimes but our involvment in the war itself was quite legitimate.

Our involvment was on request from the legitimate government which had been invaded.



But what did kids in villages have to do with it?


Kids in villages get killed in all wars, dingbat. Roll Eyes

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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #47 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:52am
 
FriYAY wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:50am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:33am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:20am:
There were many events in the war which would be considered war crimes but our involvment in the war itself was quite legitimate.

Our involvment was on request from the legitimate government which had been invaded.



But what did kids in villages have to do with it?


Kids in villages get killed in all wars, dingbat. Roll Eyes




Does that make it right?


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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #48 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:55am
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:33am:
FRED. wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 9:56am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:17am:
Don’t get me started on Nam. Of course it was a bloody war crime. You think we followed the Geneva Convention over there?

You trumped up, flagwaving old ladies don’t have a clue about Nam. Don’t get me started.



Nam  = You mean Veitnam

Were you there  Wink Wink



You're bloody right I've been there. And I know how to spell Vietnam, you goose.

Stop talking out of your arse. If you think bombing a nation of rice farmers back to the stone age does not constitute a war crime - and, just to be on the safe side, popping into the countries next door and bombing the sh!t out of them as well - you're a bigger dill than most the other nuts in this thread.

And that's saying something. Look at them.

Sure. The Amerikan-backed Diem invited us all in to defend South Vietnam - it was a bit embarrassing for Menzies to send in the troops before he got the letter, but who's going to complain? And tell me this - which Cambodian and Laotian leaders invited us in to blow them up?

The Yanks dropped more TNT on Cambodia than they did in the entire second world war. It was known as Nixon's secret war. How can you drop more ammo than WWII on a tiny country in South East Asia and keep it a secret?

It was only kept secret from the Amerikan voters, but they're easily conned. How many of them can spell Vietnam?

Thanks for the spelling lesson, son. Maybe your next lesson can be about what constitutes a war crime.


TYPO OK FFS   

So maybe you went there after the event thing have changed from what they were when the North invaded. Just ask the Vietnamese boat people

That's if they will talk to you  Johnny come lately   Angry
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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #49 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 12:23pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:33am:
You're bloody right I've been there


The question was "were you there" [during the war] not whether you've been there....

Bobby. wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:52am:
Does that make it right?


If the combatants hide amongst their own civilian population they put their own civilian population at risk.

Is that right?  You tell me?



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Reply #50 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 12:41pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:52am:
FriYAY wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:50am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:33am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:20am:
There were many events in the war which would be considered war crimes but our involvment in the war itself was quite legitimate.

Our involvment was on request from the legitimate government which had been invaded.



But what did kids in villages have to do with it?


Kids in villages get killed in all wars, dingbat. Roll Eyes




Does that make it right?


http://classicalpursuits.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Vietnam_girl_napalm...


No Ding, it makes it a fact.
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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #51 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 1:43pm
 
FRED. wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:55am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:33am:
FRED. wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 9:56am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:17am:
Don’t get me started on Nam. Of course it was a bloody war crime. You think we followed the Geneva Convention over there?

You trumped up, flagwaving old ladies don’t have a clue about Nam. Don’t get me started.



Nam  = You mean Veitnam

Were you there  Wink Wink



You're bloody right I've been there. And I know how to spell Vietnam, you goose.

Stop talking out of your arse. If you think bombing a nation of rice farmers back to the stone age does not constitute a war crime - and, just to be on the safe side, popping into the countries next door and bombing the sh!t out of them as well - you're a bigger dill than most the other nuts in this thread.

And that's saying something. Look at them.

Sure. The Amerikan-backed Diem invited us all in to defend South Vietnam - it was a bit embarrassing for Menzies to send in the troops before he got the letter, but who's going to complain? And tell me this - which Cambodian and Laotian leaders invited us in to blow them up?

The Yanks dropped more TNT on Cambodia than they did in the entire second world war. It was known as Nixon's secret war. How can you drop more ammo than WWII on a tiny country in South East Asia and keep it a secret?

It was only kept secret from the Amerikan voters, but they're easily conned. How many of them can spell Vietnam?

Thanks for the spelling lesson, son. Maybe your next lesson can be about what constitutes a war crime.


TYPO OK FFS   

So maybe you went there after the event thing have changed from what they were when the North invaded. Just ask the Vietnamese boat people

That's if they will talk to you  Johnny come lately   Angry


The event thing have changed from what they were when the North invaded? The war's over, son. You can stop talking in code.

Supporting the boat people now, are you? You'll be defending all those Afghani and Iraqi refugees next.

Read your history. Vietnam was divided when the commies kicked out France in 1954. It was a crisis solution. The Yanks were still in Korea and didn't want to get involved, so they quietly backed the Catholic, anti-commie Diem after he came to power in the newly established Republic of Vietnam.

Diem was there because the Yanks wanted him there. He couldn't fight Ho Chi Minh's Russian-backed army on his own. He was what was known in the day as an Amerikan puppet. You might have heard of them - there's a few still hanging out on this board. They're like those Japanese soldiers in the Pacific who refuse to believe the war's over.
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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #52 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 1:48pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 12:23pm:
If the combatants hide amongst their own civilian population they put their own civilian population at risk.

Is that right?  You tell me?


What, that the Vietnamese didn't come over here to fight us?

You tell me.
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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #53 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 1:56pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 1:43pm:
FRED. wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:55am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 11:33am:
FRED. wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 9:56am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:17am:
Don’t get me started on Nam. Of course it was a bloody war crime. You think we followed the Geneva Convention over there?

You trumped up, flagwaving old ladies don’t have a clue about Nam. Don’t get me started.



Nam  = You mean Veitnam

Were you there  Wink Wink



You're bloody right I've been there. And I know how to spell Vietnam, you goose.

Stop talking out of your arse. If you think bombing a nation of rice farmers back to the stone age does not constitute a war crime - and, just to be on the safe side, popping into the countries next door and bombing the sh!t out of them as well - you're a bigger dill than most the other nuts in this thread.

And that's saying something. Look at them.

Sure. The Amerikan-backed Diem invited us all in to defend South Vietnam - it was a bit embarrassing for Menzies to send in the troops before he got the letter, but who's going to complain? And tell me this - which Cambodian and Laotian leaders invited us in to blow them up?

The Yanks dropped more TNT on Cambodia than they did in the entire second world war. It was known as Nixon's secret war. How can you drop more ammo than WWII on a tiny country in South East Asia and keep it a secret?

It was only kept secret from the Amerikan voters, but they're easily conned. How many of them can spell Vietnam?

Thanks for the spelling lesson, son. Maybe your next lesson can be about what constitutes a war crime.


TYPO OK FFS   

So maybe you went there after the event thing have changed from what they were when the North invaded. Just ask the Vietnamese boat people

That's if they will talk to you  Johnny come lately   Angry


The event thing have changed from what they were when the North invaded? The war's over, son. You can stop talking in code.

Supporting the boat people now, are you? You'll be defending all those Afghani and Iraqi refugees next.

Read your history. Vietnam was divided when the commies kicked out France in 1954. It was a crisis solution. The Yanks were still in Korea and didn't want to get involved, so they quietly backed the Catholic, anti-commie Diem after he came to power in the newly established Republic of Vietnam.

Diem was there because the Yanks wanted him there. He couldn't fight Ho Chi Minh's Russian-backed army on his own. He was what was known in the day as an Amerikan puppet. You might have heard of them - there's a few still hanging out on this board. They're like those Japanese soldiers in the Pacific who refuse to believe the war's over.

Australia's involvement in the Vietnam War was driven largely by the rise of communism in Southeast Asia after the Second World War, and the fear of its spread which developed in Australia during the 1950s and early 1960s.[4] Following the end of the Second World War the French had sought to reassert control over French Indochina. In 1950 as the communist-backed Viet Minh, led by Ho Chi Minh, began to gain the ascendency in the First Indochina War, the Vietnamese nation had two parallel administrations; the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) (recognised by the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China), and the State of Vietnam (SoV), an associated state in the French Union (recognised by the non-communist world). In 1954, after the defeat of the French at the Battle of Dien Bien Phu, the Geneva Accords of 1954 split the country geographically, with the DRV to the north of the 17th parallel and the SoV in the south.[5]

The Geneva Accords imposed a deadline of July 1956 for the governments of the two Vietnams to hold elections, with a view to uniting the country under one government.[6] In 1955, Ngo Dinh Diem, the prime minister of the State of Vietnam, deposed the head of state Bảo Đại in a fraudulent referendum and declared himself President of the newly proclaimed Republic of Vietnam.[7] He then refused to take part in the elections, claiming that the communist north would engage in election fraud and that as a result they would win because they had more people. After this deadline passed, the military commanders in the North began preparing an invasion of the South.[6] Over the course of the late 1950s and early 1960s this invasion took root in a campaign of insurgency, subversion and sabotage in the South employing guerilla warfare tactics.[8] In September 1957, Diem visited Australia and was given strong support by both the ruling Liberal Party of Australia of Prime Minister Robert Menzies and the opposition Australian Labor Party. Diem was particularly feted by the Catholic community, as he pursued policies that discriminated in favour of the Catholic minority in his country and gave special powers to the Catholic Church.[9]

By 1962 the situation in South Vietnam had become bad enough that Diem submitted a request for assistance to the United States and its allies in order to counter the growing insurgency and the threat that it posed to South Vietnam's security. Following this the US began to send a large number of advisors to provide tactical and logistical advice to the South Vietnamese. At the same time, the US sought to increase the legitimacy of the South V
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Reply #54 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 1:57pm
 
Australia's involvement in the Vietnam War was driven largely by the rise of communism in Southeast Asia after the Second World War, and the fear of its spread which developed in Australia during the 1950s and early 1960s.[4] Following the end of the Second World War the French had sought to reassert control over French Indochina. In 1950 as the communist-backed Viet Minh, led by Ho Chi Minh, began to gain the ascendency in the First Indochina War, the Vietnamese nation had two parallel administrations; the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) (recognised by the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China), and the State of Vietnam (SoV), an associated state in the French Union (recognised by the non-communist world). In 1954, after the defeat of the French at the Battle of Dien Bien Phu, the Geneva Accords of 1954 split the country geographically, with the DRV to the north of the 17th parallel and the SoV in the south.[5]

The Geneva Accords imposed a deadline of July 1956 for the governments of the two Vietnams to hold elections, with a view to uniting the country under one government.[6] In 1955, Ngo Dinh Diem, the prime minister of the State of Vietnam, deposed the head of state Bảo Đại in a fraudulent referendum and declared himself President of the newly proclaimed Republic of Vietnam.[7] He then refused to take part in the elections, claiming that the communist north would engage in election fraud and that as a result they would win because they had more people. After this deadline passed, the military commanders in the North began preparing an invasion of the South.[6] Over the course of the late 1950s and early 1960s this invasion took root in a campaign of insurgency, subversion and sabotage in the South employing guerilla warfare tactics.[8] In September 1957, Diem visited Australia and was given strong support by both the ruling Liberal Party of Australia of Prime Minister Robert Menzies and the opposition Australian Labor Party. Diem was particularly feted by the Catholic community, as he pursued policies that discriminated in favour of the Catholic minority in his country and gave special powers to the Catholic Church.[9]

By 1962 the situation in South Vietnam had become bad enough that Diem submitted a request for assistance to the United States and its allies in order to counter the growing insurgency and the threat that it posed to South Vietnam's security. Following this the US began to send a large number of advisors to provide tactical and logistical advice to the South Vietnamese. At the same time, the US sought to increase the legitimacy of the South Vietnamese government by instituting the Many Flags program, hoping to counter the communist propaganda that South Vietnam was merely a US puppet state[10] and to involve as many nations as possible. Thus Australia, as an ally of the United States with obligations under the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) and ANZUS Pacts, and in the hope of shoring up its alliance with the US, became involved in the Vietnam War.[11] Between 1962 and 1972 it would send almost 60,000 personnel to Vietnam, including ground troops, naval forces and air assets and would contribute large amounts of material to the war effort.[3]

[edit] Australia's military involvement

[edit] Australian Advisors, 1962–1965





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Reply #55 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 1:57pm
 
Nice quote there, son. What's it about?
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Reply #56 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 1:59pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 1:57pm:
Nice quote there, son. What's it about?



Read it
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Reply #57 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 2:40pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 9:34am:
KJT1981 wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:33am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:12am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 7:43am:
The US didn't start it.


That's not the point. They used agent orange on innocent village people.

There's still live bombs on the ground today blowing the legs of children clean off.


Do the yanks send the military to clean up their filth? No! It's left to the ex servicemen and charities to locate and destroy them.

America is guilty of war crimes and not just in Vietnam. 

They should stay out of other countries affairs, there would be so much less death and destruction.

It's funny how the old Aussie boys stick up for America, when they wanted to use our soldiers for their Agent Orange experiments.



For someone that claims a uni degree you aren't real bright pansi. Agent Orange is a herbicide it is not used on "innocent village people".

So gas is used to power homes, so it wasn't used on the Jews.

Bullets are for hunting, they're never used to kill people.


There are live bombs and mines scattered through out many countries pansi including England. Should the Germans go in to help clean them up?


Check out landmines. Who laid the landmines in Sri Lanka, along the Thailand Burma border, El Salvador, Rwanda, The Falkland Islands.

Afghanistan, Angola and Cambodia have suffered 85 per cent of the world's land-mine casualties and they weren't laid by the USA.

As usual pansi you are talking through the wrong orifice.



Absolute lies. Cluster bombs???? dropped by the North Vietnamese?????

Agent Orange was a herbicide lol!!!! why were America trying to save the crops in the middle of a war lol!!!

Stick to Vietnam, that's the country of topic here.

You are trolling again, so I won't be responding to your idiotic posts.


Agent Orange is a herbicide....no it wasn't used to' save crops', it was used to kill off the jungle vegetation, to make the enemy troops ( the Viet Cong ) easier to find..
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Reply #58 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 2:47pm
 
... wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 10:59am:
You know what we need?  A war.

That'll thin out the number of men male herblings who have nothing better to do than bitch and whine about previous conflicts transgressing some nominal "laws".


Unfortunately Wesley, historically, the opposite is true....the 'male herblings' either don't go to war, or fail the entrance medicals for draft....end result, they stay home and breed, so you end up with more of them and less normal people...
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Reply #59 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 3:23pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 2:47pm:
... wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 10:59am:
You know what we need?  A war.

That'll thin out the number of men male herblings who have nothing better to do than bitch and whine about previous conflicts transgressing some nominal "laws".


Unfortunately Wesley, historically, the opposite is true....the 'male herblings' either don't go to war, or fail the entrance medicals for draft....end result, they stay home and breed, so you end up with more of them and less normal people...



Yeah but the face of warfare has changed now - perhaps target jazz festivals, protest rallies and recycled clothing stores with drone strikes, rather than battling it out in the trenches.
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