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Reply #60 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:26pm

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 2:47pm:

... wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 10:59am:

You know what we need? A war.

That'll thin out the number of men male herblings who have nothing better to do than bitch and whine about previous conflicts transgressing some nominal "laws".

Unfortunately Wesley, historically, the opposite is true....the 'male herblings' either don't go to war, or fail the entrance medicals for draft....end result, they stay home and breed, so you end up with more of them and less normal people...

Yeah but the face of warfare has changed now - perhaps target jazz festivals, protest rallies and recycled clothing stores with drone strikes, rather than battling it out in the trenches.

Hmm that might work..Of course only against the West..

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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #61 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:33pm

FRED. wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

Nice quote there, son. What's it about?

Read it

What are you getting at? It says Australia and the Yanks got involved in an Indochinese civil war because they thought the commies might come down here. Is that meant to excuse our intervention in some way?

What a dill. Yet another goose trying to justify the worst, most bloody, and most useless war in our history. You dithering old windbags are the reason we always follow Uncle into whatever blue he gets us into. In Nam though, you can thank the Catholics - Menzies and the Labor Party competing for the anti-commie Mick vote.

That blue-rinse, horn-rimmed rosary set might seem harmless with their cake stalls and pictures of the pope above the bed, but they're the hardest bunch of biddies around. If you ever cross a nun, you'll know exactly what I mean.

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Reply #62 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:36pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:33pm:

That blue-rinse, horn-rimmed rosary set might seem harmless with their cake stalls and pictures of the pope above the bed, but they're the hardest bunch of biddies around. If you ever cross a nun, you'll know exactly what I mean.

ahh I think we're getting to the root of your pathology karnal. You shouldn't really blame those nuns for trying to cane the faggot and the smartarse out of you, they were only trying to do the world a favour.

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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #63 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:36pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:33pm:

FRED. wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

Nice quote there, son. What's it about?

Read it

What are you getting at? It says Australia and the Yanks got involved in an Indochinese civil war because they thought the commies might come down here. Is that meant to excuse our intervention in some way?

What a dill. Yet another goose trying to justify the worst, most bloody, and most useless war in our history. You dithering old windbags are the reason we always follow Uncle into whatever blue he gets us into. In Nam though, you can thank the Catholics - Menzies and the Labor Party competing for the anti-commie Mick vote.

That blue-rinse, horn-rimmed rosary set might seem harmless with their cake stalls and pictures of the pope above the bed, but they're the hardest bunch of biddies around. If you ever cross a nun, you'll know exactly what I mean.

what is your problem? it was only 20 years previously that the USA cam to OUR resuce in the pacific. perhaps we felt we owed them?

or perhaps we felt that repelling comunist invaders BEFORE they reached out shore was a good idea.

It's easy to say the vietnam war was a fiasco AFTER the event.

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Reply #64 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:51pm

Yeah - you're right, Longy. We should have seen it coming. Maybe we should have helped out the French when they were in a losing battle to keep their Asian colonies. Or maybe we should have supported Ho Chi Minh when he went to the Yanks for help - before he went to Russia and became a communist.

Nam was all about politics. Don't like the French, don't like the commos. But hey, backing Uncle and getting the Catholic vote is worth 500-odd Australian lives.

Foresight, eh?

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Reply #65 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:53pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

Yeah - you're right, Longy. We should have seen it coming. Maybe we should have helped out the French when they were in a losing battle to keep their Asian colonies. Hey - maybe we should have supported Ho Chi Minh when he went to the Yanks for help - before he went to Russia and became a communist.

Foresight, eh?

your bitterness is transparent if still inexplicable.

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96695	Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime? Reply #66 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:55pm I wonder why that is. Maybe it's got something to do with you knuckleheads beating the drum for other people's kids to get shot at. The problem with you lot is you don't know when you're licked. You need to learn to say uncle a lot quicker, Longy. Try saying that with a mouth of lollies.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime? Reply #67 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:01pm Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:55pm: I wonder why that is. Maybe it's got something to do with having been there, I don't know. Why did you change this post Karnal? It's not like you to have any qualms about lying.
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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #68 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:02pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

I wonder why that is. Maybe it's got something to do with you knuckleheads beating the drum for other people's kids to get shot at.

Your problem is, you don't know when you're licked. You need to learn to say uncle a lot quicker, Longy.

your posts are often difficult to follow but this is worse than usual. who is 'beating the drum'? I dont see anyone here advocating war. So how about tryinff an explanation in more than 50 words?

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Reply #69 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:04pm

... wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

I wonder why that is. Maybe it's got something to do with having been there, I don't know.

Why did you change this post Karnal?

It's not like you to have any qualms about lying.

You're right. I have no qualms at all about my time in Nam.

I changed it to make my point. Don't like what I post, son? Want to report it to the moderator?

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Reply #70 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:06pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:04pm:

... wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

I wonder why that is. Maybe it's got something to do with having been there, I don't know.

Why did you change this post Karnal?

It's not like you to have any qualms about lying.

You're right. I have no qualms at all about my time in Nam.

I changed it to make my point. Don't like what I post, son? Want to report it to the moderator?

why dont you step out of character and post directly and understandably.

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Reply #71 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:06pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:04pm:

... wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

I wonder why that is. Maybe it's got something to do with having been there, I don't know.

Why did you change this post Karnal?

It's not like you to have any qualms about lying.

You're right. I have no qualms at all about my time in Nam.

I changed it to make my point. Don't like what I post, son? Want to report it to the moderator?

It's not like you to have a point either.

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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #72 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:10pm

FriYAY wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

FriYAY wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

There were many events in the war which would be considered war crimes but our involvment in the war itself was quite legitimate.

Our involvment was on request from the legitimate government which had been invaded.

But what did kids in villages have to do with it?

Kids in villages get killed in all wars, dingbat. Roll Eyes

Does that make it right?

No Ding, it makes it a fact.

It makes it a war crime.

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Reply #73 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:14pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

FriYAY wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 25^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

There were many events in the war which would be considered war crimes but our involvment in the war itself was quite legitimate.

Our involvment was on request from the legitimate government which had been invaded.

But what did kids in villages have to do with it?

Kids in villages get killed in all wars, dingbat. Roll Eyes

Does that make it right?

No Ding, it makes it a fact.

It makes it a war crime.

http://classicalpursuits.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Vietnam_girl_napalm...

the above photo could be described as child pornography. if u had any other photo of a naked 9yo girl in distress you would get arrested

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Re: Was the Vietnam war a War Crime?
Reply #74 - Jan 25^th, 2013 at 4:15pm

A girl running away after being burnt by napalm?

That is the most famous photo from the whole Vietnam war.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/06/2012686934226968.html

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Published on Jun 8, 2012

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Forty years ago a single photograph of a nine-year-old girl, her body scarred by napalm, helped swell opposition to
the Vietnam war.

The US-made product, a thickening agent mixed with petroleum or other fuel, and reaching temperatures of 1,200
degrees Celcius, was used as a weapon during the war.

The Associated Press photograph of Kim Phuc Phan Ti, who became known as the 'napalm girl' showed how the chemical burned its victims to the bone.

Kim survived and, still bearing the scars of war, she now resides near Toronto where she is a UNESCO ambassador
and an activist for the youngest victims of wars.

Al Jazeera's Daniel Lak reports from Toronto.

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yes 12 (42.9%) no 15 (53.6%) not sure 1 (3.6%) Total votes: 28 « Created by: Bobby. on: Jan 25^th, 2013 at 8:27am »