Australian Politics Forum - Does the carbon tax work?

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49030 At my desk.	Does the carbon tax work? Jan 31^st, 2013 at 2:14pm Does anyone have a link to the original article in The Australian?
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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #1 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 2:20pm The real impact of the carbon tax will be when its revenue is invested into renewable projects which suplement the existing power supplies. (the carrot) The reduction seen so far would be from efficiency gains made by business to offset the tax. (the stick).
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Reply #2 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 2:49pm

If those investments cost more per unit of emissions reductions than the tax does, there is no point investing in them. If there is a point investing in them, the private sector will do it a lot faster and cheaper than the government. Just because you raise the revenue from carbon taxes does not mean you have to spend it on expensive renewable schemes.

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The reduction seen so far would be from efficiency gains made by business

Businesses and consumers. As well as plain old reductions in consumption.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #3 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 7:45pm Good thread!
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Reply #4 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 5:31pm

does anyone really believe that nonsense figure of 8.6% That came from where? Milnes backside?

no, it doesnt work. it has had zero effect anywhere it has been trialled before. given that practically no changes have been made to emitting sources eg brown coal power stations, where have these mythical cuts come from?

simple: they havent happened. just like everything else in the wonderland of climate statistics they are misinterpreted, misgathered, incompetently collected and interpreted or just plain fraudulently manufactured.

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #5 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 6:16pm Australia could emit zero emissions and it would make absolutely f*ck all difference to anything.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49030 At my desk.	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #6 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 7:07pm Actually GM, it references the Australian, hence my question about whether anyone has the article. Saying it has had zero effect anywhere is pretty stupid. There is sound economic reasoning behind it. It is always amusing to see people attempt to discard basic economics for political gain.
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woof woof Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1518 Gender:	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #7 - Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:39pm Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 6:16pm: Australia could emit zero emissions and it would make absolutely f*ck all difference to anything. That being fact, but the labor cling ons can't admitt it.
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Reply #8 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 11:58am

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 7:07pm:

Actually GM, it references the Australian, hence my question about whether anyone has the article.

Saying it has had zero effect anywhere is pretty stupid. There is sound economic reasoning behind it. It is always amusing to see people attempt to discard basic economics for political gain.

Try telling that to the Europeans whos OWN CONCLUSION is that their carbon tax had zero effect on emissions. it isnt 'basic economics' at all. it is a far more complex equation than that.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49030 At my desk.	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #9 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:31pm For something so complicated you are offering a very simplistic interpretation. The Europeans did not conclude that a carbon tax had zero effect.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104846 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #10 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:41pm If Tony rescinds the carbon tax - where will all the money for renewable energy projects come from?
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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30088 Gender:	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #11 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:43pm Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 6:16pm: Australia could emit zero emissions and it would make absolutely f*ck all difference to anything. WRONG again bysexual !! Consumers wouldn't get ripped off at the fool bowser anymore
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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30088 Gender:	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #12 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:44pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:41pm: If Tony rescinds the carbon tax - where will all the money for renewable energy projects come from? the libbos will fund more never-ever clean coal projects using borrowed money
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Reply #13 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:49pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:41pm:

If Tony rescinds the carbon tax - where will all the money for
renewable energy projects come from?

the libbos will fund more never-ever clean coal projects using borrowed money Sad

Yes Nail,
what ever happened to that solar project in Mildura?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #14 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:01pm Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:43pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 6:16pm: Australia could emit zero emissions and it would make absolutely f*ck all difference to anything. WRONG again bysexual !! Consumers wouldn't get ripped off at the fool bowser anymore 70c per liter for me big man ....
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