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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #15 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:30pm

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:31pm:

For something so complicated you are offering a very simplistic interpretation. The Europeans did not conclude that a carbon tax had zero effect.

the europeans concluded that the carbon tax had had no effect on emmisions.
end of story.

The problem with your post was that you assumed that it MUSt have an effect. Hardly a scientific approach,

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Reply #17 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:54pm

gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:30pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:31pm:

For something so complicated you are offering a very simplistic interpretation. The Europeans did not conclude that a carbon tax had zero effect.

the europeans concluded that the carbon tax had had no effect on emmisions.
end of story.

The problem with your post was that you assumed that it MUSt have an effect. Hardly a scientific approach,

No they didn't GM. And the opening post gave some figures regarding the extent of the effect.

BTW, the approach is called economics, no science. We no not do experiments on people's way of life.

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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #18 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:05pm

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:54pm:

gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:30pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:31pm:

For something so complicated you are offering a very simplistic interpretation. The Europeans did not conclude that a carbon tax had zero effect.

the europeans concluded that the carbon tax had had no effect on emmisions.
end of story.

The problem with your post was that you assumed that it MUSt have an effect. Hardly a scientific approach,

No they didn't GM. And the opening post gave some figures regarding the extent of the effect.

BTW, the approach is called economics, no science. We no not do experiments on people's way of life.

for someone who would be normally considered bright, that is stupid. the Europeans themselves (note, not the greens nor the australian newspaper) states that the carbon tax had had no effect on emissions. i really dont care if you believe it or not because clearly that has no affect on your thinking.

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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #19 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:49pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:41pm:

If Tony rescinds the carbon tax - where will all the money for
renewable energy projects come from?

the libbos will fund more never-ever clean coal projects using borrowed money Sad

Yes Nail,
what ever happened to that solar project in Mildura?

it failed because the technology was unreliable. Now gaynail will come in and blame libbos, chevron and GWB and Howard for the failure but the simple fact is that it simply didnt work well enough to be used.

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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #20 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:08pm

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:54pm:

gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:30pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:31pm:

For something so complicated you are offering a very simplistic interpretation. The Europeans did not conclude that a carbon tax had zero effect.

the europeans concluded that the carbon tax had had no effect on emmisions.
end of story.

The problem with your post was that you assumed that it MUSt have an effect. Hardly a scientific approach,

No they didn't GM. And the opening post gave some figures regarding the extent of the effect.

BTW, the approach is called economics, no science. We no not do experiments on people's way of life.

that gave me a giggle... are you chanelling SOB at the moment?

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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #21 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:14pm

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:54pm:

gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:30pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:31pm:

For something so complicated you are offering a very simplistic interpretation. The Europeans did not conclude that a carbon tax had zero effect.

the europeans concluded that the carbon tax had had no effect on emmisions.
end of story.

The problem with your post was that you assumed that it MUSt have an effect. Hardly a scientific approach,

No they didn't GM. And the opening post gave some figures regarding the extent of the effect.

BTW, the approach is called economics, no science. We no not do experiments on people's way of life.

Economics?
You mean price and demand?

Make turning the light on so oppressive they sit in the dark?
Make taking a plane so high people don't get to see their family?

Make the cost of utilities so harsh people simply exist rather than live.

You're right it is economic cost and demand curve.
It is also complete uncaring to drive up the price of living with a tax.

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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #22 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:28pm

gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:49pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:41pm:

If Tony rescinds the carbon tax - where will all the money for
renewable energy projects come from?

the libbos will fund more never-ever clean coal projects using borrowed money Sad

Yes Nail,
what ever happened to that solar project in Mildura?

it failed because the technology was unreliable. Now gaynail will come in and blame libbos, chevron and GWB and Howard for the failure but the simple fact is that it simply didnt work well enough to be used.

It failed like most high tech projects and inventions in Australia because money is siphoned or stolen away and used to inflate a property bubble for no future benefit at all Sad

That's how f.cked up australia is where investing in some 1920's old dump is much more important than high tech investments Sad

Australia is no Germany by any stretch of the imagination Sad

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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #23 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:29pm

gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:05pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:54pm:

gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:30pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:31pm:

For something so complicated you are offering a very simplistic interpretation. The Europeans did not conclude that a carbon tax had zero effect.

the europeans concluded that the carbon tax had had no effect on emmisions.
end of story.

The problem with your post was that you assumed that it MUSt have an effect. Hardly a scientific approach,

No they didn't GM. And the opening post gave some figures regarding the extent of the effect.

BTW, the approach is called economics, no science. We no not do experiments on people's way of life.

for someone who would be normally considered bright, that is stupid. the Europeans themselves (note, not the greens nor the australian newspaper) states that the carbon tax had had no effect on emissions. i really dont care if you believe it or not because clearly that has no affect on your thinking.

That is not what they actually said GM. You are confused. You are seeing what you want to see, not what is actually there.

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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #24 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:35pm

Nail,
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It failed like most high tech projects and inventions in Australia because money is siphoned or stolen away and used to inflate a property bubble for no future benefit at all That's how f.cked up australians are

Australia is no Germany by any stretch of the imagination

Hear hear Nail,
Longweekend has no idea about renewable energy.
These projects are expensive to set up.
Without a carbon tax feeding into them very few businesses
would be able to go to the bank with a viable business model.

The fact is that if we rely on the Libbos we'll be burning stinking coal forever
until our atmosphere resembles Beijing city & the planet is a hothouse -
that's what Longweekend & his mate Tony want.

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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #25 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:42pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:28pm:

gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:49pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:41pm:

If Tony rescinds the carbon tax - where will all the money for
renewable energy projects come from?

the libbos will fund more never-ever clean coal projects using borrowed money Sad

Yes Nail,
what ever happened to that solar project in Mildura?

it failed because the technology was unreliable. Now gaynail will come in and blame libbos, chevron and GWB and Howard for the failure but the simple fact is that it simply didnt work well enough to be used.

It failed like most high tech projects and inventions in Australia because money is siphoned or stolen away and used to inflate a property bubble for no future benefit at all Sad

That's how f.cked up australia is where investing in some 1920's old dump is much more important than high tech investments Sad

Australia is no Germany by any stretch of the imagination Sad

lunatic... it failed because it simply didnt work.

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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #26 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:35pm:

Nail,
Quote:

It failed like most high tech projects and inventions in Australia because money is siphoned or stolen away and used to inflate a property bubble for no future benefit at all That's how f.cked up australians are

Australia is no Germany by any stretch of the imagination

Hear hear Nail,
Longweekend has no idea about renewable energy.
These projects are expensive to set up.
Without a carbon tax feeding into them very few businesses
would be able to go to the bank with a viable business model.

The fact is that if we rely on the Libbos we'll be burning stinking coal forever
until our atmosphere resembles Beijing city & the planet is a hothouse -
that's what Longweekend & his mate Tony want.

which is my point dimwit. Without a taxpayer subsidy, they are unviable.

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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #27 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:48pm

gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:35pm:

Nail,
Quote:

It failed like most high tech projects and inventions in Australia because money is siphoned or stolen away and used to inflate a property bubble for no future benefit at all That's how f.cked up australians are

Australia is no Germany by any stretch of the imagination

Hear hear Nail,
Longweekend has no idea about renewable energy.
These projects are expensive to set up.
Without a carbon tax feeding into them very few businesses
would be able to go to the bank with a viable business model.

The fact is that if we rely on the Libbos we'll be burning stinking coal forever
until our atmosphere resembles Beijing city & the planet is a hothouse -
that's what Longweekend & his mate Tony want.

which is my point dimwit. Without a taxpayer subsidy, they are unviable.

Longweekend - you're a half wit.
What about the cost of pollution?

How else will we reduce pollution?

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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #28 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:49pm

gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:28pm:

gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:49pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:41pm:

If Tony rescinds the carbon tax - where will all the money for
renewable energy projects come from?

the libbos will fund more never-ever clean coal projects using borrowed money Sad

Yes Nail,
what ever happened to that solar project in Mildura?

it failed because the technology was unreliable. Now gaynail will come in and blame libbos, chevron and GWB and Howard for the failure but the simple fact is that it simply didnt work well enough to be used.

It failed like most high tech projects and inventions in Australia because money is siphoned or stolen away and used to inflate a property bubble for no future benefit at all Sad

That's how f.cked up australia is where investing in some 1920's old dump is much more important than high tech investments Sad

Australia is no Germany by any stretch of the imagination Sad

lunatic... it failed because it simply didnt work.

wrong again f,.ckhead !!

Solar funding round leaves Mildura in the dark

Date
November 12, 2012

http://www.theage.com.au/business/carbon-economy/solar-funding-round-leaves-mild...

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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #29 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:50pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:48pm:

gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 3:35pm:

Nail,
Quote:

It failed like most high tech projects and inventions in Australia because money is siphoned or stolen away and used to inflate a property bubble for no future benefit at all That's how f.cked up australians are

Australia is no Germany by any stretch of the imagination

Hear hear Nail,
Longweekend has no idea about renewable energy.
These projects are expensive to set up.
Without a carbon tax feeding into them very few businesses
would be able to go to the bank with a viable business model.

The fact is that if we rely on the Libbos we'll be burning stinking coal forever
until our atmosphere resembles Beijing city & the planet is a hothouse -
that's what Longweekend & his mate Tony want.

which is my point dimwit. Without a taxpayer subsidy, they are unviable.

Longweekend - you're a half wit.
What about the cost of pollution?

How else will we reduce pollution?

you are assumign CO2 is a pollutant. It isnt and increasing numbers of people are begining to agree.

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