Australian Politics Forum - Does the carbon tax work?

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49023 At my desk.	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #45 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 7:55pm Correct. It is kind of hard to save on a tax that does not exist. The point GM, is that the financial incentive now matches the economic reality. Previously it did not.
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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #46 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 8:58am

Does the carbon tax work?

Sure it works ...companies are spending money to reduce pollution ... it's working. Read somewhere a while back that a suger mill in Qld was updating its production processes at a cost of $400 million so as to reduce emissions ...

would this mill have spent $400 million if it didn't have to? Doubt it .... if there was no tax they would still be pumping crap into the atmosphere.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #47 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:07am Australia's emissions are 0.1% of global total. If Australia actually reduced their emission output to 0 - it would make no difference to climate change whatsoever. That's the reality. Australia is a merely a piss in the bucket compared to this country, India and China. So the carbon tax is one big whatever.
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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #48 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:43am

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Australia's emissions are 0.1% of global total.

And our population is even less than that. So what is your point? That because we can draw a small circle around ourselves we should not have to do our part? Honestly, this is one of the most idiotic arguments I have seen.

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If Australia actually reduced their emission output to 0 - it would make no difference to climate change whatsoever.

That's the reality.

No it isn't. It is a rejection of the geopolitical reality that other countries with lower per capita emissions are looking to the worst polluters, like Australia, to lead.

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #49 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:54am From what I've seen If we are setting example no ones watching.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #50 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 6:12pm Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:54am: From what I've seen If we are setting example no ones watching. Who are you and what have you seen, big shot??
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49023 At my desk.	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #51 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:27pm Perhaps he has seen an email from the Liberal party. There are plenty of foreign countries looking at how to reduce emissions. Being one of the few examples of a carbon tax, they will be looking very closely at us.
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Re: Does the carbon tax work?
Reply #52 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:30pm

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:27pm:

Perhaps he has seen an email from the Liberal party. There are plenty of foreign countries looking at how to reduce emissions. Being one of the few examples of a carbon tax, they will be looking very closely at us.

I think he's seen the insides of his mates crack pipe when he's gone to do wee wees!

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5471 Gender:	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #53 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:31pm don't heaps of countries have carbon taxes? why do we talk about how we're pioneers when heaps of european countries have done the same thing decades before us? or are their taxes different?
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #54 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:34pm JC Denton wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:31pm: don't heaps of countries have carbon taxes? why do we talk about how we're pioneers when heaps of european countries have done the same thing decades before us? or are their taxes different? INNOCENT BYSTANDER WILL BE ONLY TOO HAPPY TO TACKLE THAT ONE I'M SURE!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49023 At my desk.	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #55 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:38pm JC, most have gone down the path of cap and trade.
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5471 Gender:	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #56 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:41pm what makes cap and trade less effective than direct taxes on carbon?
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #57 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:49pm JC Denton wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:41pm: what makes cap and trade less effective than direct taxes on carbon? I'M NOT SURE IT IS LESS EFFECTIVE!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49023 At my desk.	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #58 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 8:21pm JC Denton wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:41pm: what makes cap and trade less effective than direct taxes on carbon? http://www.ozpolitic.com/green-tax-shift/green-tax-shift.html#taxes-vs-trading
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49023 At my desk.	Re: Does the carbon tax work? Reply #59 - Feb 16^th, 2013 at 2:36pm Do you agree JC?
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