Australian Politics Forum - Abbott's $62 a tonne carbon price.

MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Abbott's $62 a tonne carbon price. Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 11:55am Both major parties have set the same target on carbon emissions. Why on earth would you pick the most expensive way to get there. I guess by going the most expensive route you get to shift the burden from the polluters to the taxpayers. How economic liberals can support such a clear case of corporate welfare beggars belief.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Abbott's $62 a tonne carbon price. Reply #1 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:02pm Do you not think you are just a tad obsessed with Australia's tiny total emissions??
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25941 Gender:	Re: Abbott's $62 a tonne carbon price. Reply #2 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:04pm Just plucking random crapola from thin air again, eh?
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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: Abbott's $62 a tonne carbon price. Reply #3 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:07pm MOTR is doing a Gillard and trying to deflect from the corruption and criminal behaviour of her party. not working MOTR!!!!
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Re: Abbott's $62 a tonne carbon price.
Reply #4 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:15pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Do you not think you are just a tad obsessed with Australia's tiny total emissions??

The reality is that both major parties have accepted that we have a moral responsibility to reduce our emissions. Abbott is making us pay more and is effectively shifting the burden from the polluters to the taxpayer. What's worse, is that he's also destroying the price signal that will make future reductions so much cheaper.

It's just dumb policy.

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Reply #5 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:19pm

MOTR wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Do you not think you are just a tad obsessed with Australia's tiny total emissions??

The reality is that both major parties have accepted that we have a moral responsibility to reduce our emissions. Abbott is making us pay more and is effectively shifting the burden from the polluters to the taxpayer. What's worse, is that he's also destroying the price signal that will make future reductions so much cheaper.

It's just dumb policy.

You're so good at demonstrating how little you understand of this issue! Grin

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Abbott's $62 a tonne carbon price. Reply #6 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:19pm gold_medal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:07pm: MOTR is doing a Gillard and trying to deflect from the corruption and criminal behaviour of her party. not working MOTR!!!! I'll take that as a white flag.
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Reply #7 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:32pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:19pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Do you not think you are just a tad obsessed with Australia's tiny total emissions??

The reality is that both major parties have accepted that we have a moral responsibility to reduce our emissions. Abbott is making us pay more and is effectively shifting the burden from the polluters to the taxpayer. What's worse, is that he's also destroying the price signal that will make future reductions so much cheaper.

It's just dumb policy.

You're so good at demonstrating how little you understand of this issue! Grin

Go on, goldie. Have a go at explaining why Abbott's direct action policy is good policy.

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Reply #8 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:39pm

MOTR wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:32pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:19pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Do you not think you are just a tad obsessed with Australia's tiny total emissions??

The reality is that both major parties have accepted that we have a moral responsibility to reduce our emissions. Abbott is making us pay more and is effectively shifting the burden from the polluters to the taxpayer. What's worse, is that he's also destroying the price signal that will make future reductions so much cheaper.

It's just dumb policy.

You're so good at demonstrating how little you understand of this issue! Grin

Go on, goldie. Have a go at explaining why Abbott's direct action policy is good policy.

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Easy - it isn't the carbon dioxide tax that we were promised we would not get at the last election, the tax that is driving up electricity prices so much that elderly people preferred to swelter during the summer than use air conditioning, the tax that is scaring away investment in Australia and dissuading people from starting up new small businesses.

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Reply #9 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 1:10pm

Unfortunately, armchair, the economic data coming out tells a completely different story. When the Australian public goes to the poll they will know how much the carbon tax has affected their lives. Now that we've looked behind the curtains Abbott's bogey man doesn't look so scary. What will look scary is the $1300 Abbott is planning to rip from each Australian household to pay for his economically inefficient direct action strategy.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Abbott's $62 a tonne carbon price. Reply #10 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 1:31pm Blame Rudd for ratifying Kyoto If he hadn't done this - we wouldn't be in this mess
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Reply #11 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 1:36pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:19pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Do you not think you are just a tad obsessed with Australia's tiny total emissions??

The reality is that both major parties have accepted that we have a moral responsibility to reduce our emissions. Abbott is making us pay more and is effectively shifting the burden from the polluters to the taxpayer. What's worse, is that he's also destroying the price signal that will make future reductions so much cheaper.

It's just dumb policy.

You're so good at demonstrating how little you understand of this issue! Grin

MOTR is right. A carbon tax is the best mechanism. Abbott may tell you what you want to hear, but it will cost you an arm and a leg.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Abbott's $62 a tonne carbon price. Reply #12 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 1:57pm A carbon tax is telling me how I should live my life. If people feel strongly in this carbon footprint lark then fine live your life how you wish. Just don't interfere and tell others how to live.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Abbott's $62 a tonne carbon price. Reply #13 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:12pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 1:57pm: A carbon tax is telling me how I should live my life. If people feel strongly in this carbon footprint lark then fine live your life how you wish. Just don't interfere and tell others how to live. Andrei, you are such a free rider.
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Reply #14 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:14pm

MOTR wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 2:12pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 1:57pm:

A carbon tax is telling me how I should live my life.

If people feel strongly in this carbon footprint lark then fine live your life how you wish.

Just don't interfere and tell others how to live.

Andrei, you are such a free rider.

I work in the oil industry.
It's us who do the most to resolve this issue.

My company is more influential than countries.

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