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Reply #90 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:30pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:02pm:
about what % of muslims in a place like pakistan , do you reckon, would try to physically harm you if you said something derogatory about the prophet?


You're basing an entire world view on the hypothetical response you'd get in a crowded Pakistani mosque if you insulted their prophet?

Why stop at Muslims? Football hooligans, heavy-metal fans, neo-Nazi rallies, the gay Mardi Gras, the Myer Boxing Day sale, the old boy's Lutheran church picnic (if it rains), Yadda's Karmic Khristian crowd on Religionofpeace.org...


You haven't watched the news lately have you Karnal? (BTW, nice to see you return to making sense at least)

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well, with the exception of football hooligans, i think, whilst i mite get some abuse thrown my way for insulting the mardi gras crowd or the lutheran picnic. i would not be in fear of my life.


Muslims have even taken soccer hooliganism to a whole new level.


You're right, FD. I haven't seen the news lately. How did you know that?

Muslim soccer hooligans? Good show.

They can give the poms some of their own back.
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Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform
Reply #91 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:34pm
 
Look at that - I just excused Moslem violence. Whoops!

Now that was an internet response.

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Reply #92 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:34pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:18pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:12pm:
interesting, i never would have thought that.  so why did they get all hot under the collar when some film makers made that silly youtube clip.  surely a simple "pull your heads in" would be a more appropriate response


Good question. Why do people get all hot under the collar on the internet?

The old boy's an exception - he has important things to get hot about. I forget what they are, but we excuse him because he's an unassimilated cheese-head. We like to accommodate, you see.

There is no standard Muslim culture, set or laws or values. Arabs seem to be hotheads - maybe they eat a lot of cheese. South East Asians are generally polite and easy going, whatever religion they are.

Including Yadda's Malaysians.

Iranians are very welcoming and friendly to foreigners, as are Turks (so I'm told). Turkey's one of the biggest tourist destinations in Europe right now - particularly for middle-aged women who want to get laid. Former Soviet Muslims seem just like Russians to me - although I'm sure there are differences. They seem to have a similar taste in clothes, particularly tracksuits - and underpants at the beach.

Pakistanis and Indian Muslims can be quite intellectual - as distinct from Hindus, who are all colour and emotion.

And before anyone makes out I'm categorizing (I am), some of these nationalities have told me this about themselves.

But yes, why do people on the internet go on murderous tirades so easily?

My guess is that it's safe. You can say what you want and you don't have to back it up. Yadda would never carry on like he does to a group of Muslims. Like most people, he'd have grave doubts about actually implementing the sort of things he says. Like most, I think pulling the trigger or pressing the button would be a very hard step for Yadda to take.

The only reason we can be like this on the internet is we're isolated from the consequences of our words. If the consequence is right there in your face, people talk differently. We choose our words and tone depending on the response we receive from our audience.

My guess is the most extremist posters on the net are the most lonely - but this is just a hunch.

The "behead all those who insult the prophet" line is an internet thing to say. As soon as the woman who made that sign was confronted with an angry response, she backed down. She pretended she didn't know what she was saying.

Crap. She just had no idea she'd provoke such anger - she forgot that she wasn't on the internet anymore.




good response,  learned something, i did.
perhaps the highlighted text is why drone strikes from a computer screen in  nevada are a bad idea. Wink
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Reply #93 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:53pm
 
Well, from a US military point of view, they're a good idea. No PTSD, no backchat from the locals, no shots being deliberately fired in the wrong direction by "virgin" soldiers who don't want to kill.

This was a huge problem in Vietnam. They had statistics on it.

It's fine for the US now because no one's got drones aimed at them or their friends. The problem is, war being what it is, the enemy is eventually going to get their hands on them. When China and Russia get serious about drones, the US will hardly be able to play the high moral ground.

Drones are dangerous because they have real consequences. I'm not sure what the consequences of internet extremism are. The standard of the current political debate, I guess, is one.

Just as video games do not, in themselves, create violent people, I doubt internet extremism does either. It is possible to walk around with ideas like Yadda and the old boy and be completely harmless.

Still, every time a war comes round, it gets more and more dehumanized. The more you dehumanize the enemy, the easier they are to kill.

Paradoxically, the US military's response to Vietnam's dud shooters was putting human silhouettes on the targets during weapons training. This desensitized recruits to the reality of battle, and raised the "kill-ratio" enough to have kept using them ever since.

Yadda's Madrid bombing photos are designed to do a similar thing - create enough anger in his audience to justify his position on Muslims. Yadda is attempting to humanize the victims in that bombing. It's an ill-judged move because it's very hard to humanize the dead. Much better to promote empathy with a humanized object like a child's teddy bear, a sandal, or a set of rosary beads.

The old boy, on the other hand, intends to caricaturize (and in the process) dehumanize Muslims with his Danish Mohammed cartoon. Cartoons of the enemy have always been used to beat the war drum - Walt Disney's sinister Tojo in WWII, or press cartoonists' fat Kaiser in WWI. It's propaganda - an old strategy. Still, the internet is all about propaganda.

It's funny how some see it as a form of free speech.
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Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform
Reply #94 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 8:01pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:53pm:

Just as video games do not, in themselves, create violent people, I doubt internet extremism does either.

It is possible to walk around with ideas like Yadda and the old boy and be completely harmless.






I am Yadda.

Am i harmless ?

I am over 60 years old.

I am over 60 years old, and i have never been to goal.

And i have never been charged [or convicted] with a criminal offence.

Am i harmless ?

Yes, i'm like a little harmless lamb, aren't i!







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Still, every time a war comes round, it gets more and more dehumanized.

The more you dehumanize the enemy, the easier they are to kill
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Oh, is that so, K ???

I wonder where you gleaned that wisdom from ?

Hmmmm?



"Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures."
Koran 98.6

THE INFERENCE ?
Those who reject ISLAM are not even human beings....YOU MAY, AND SHOULD, KILL THEM!



"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

THE INFERENCE ?
Those who reject ISLAM are SATANISTS and are the wicked and the oppressors of the weak....YOU MAY, AND SHOULD, KILL THEM!i Quote:
Yadda's Madrid bombing photos are designed to......create enough anger in his audience to justify his position on Muslims. Yadda is attempting to humanize the victims in that bombing. It's an ill-judged move because it's very hard to humanize the dead. Much better to promote empathy with a humanized object like a child's teddy bear, a sandal, or a set of rosary beads.



Wrong.

Yadda's Madrid bombing photos are designed to,    ....bring people back to reality.

To remind all people
of just how ruthless and murderous ALL moslems potentially are.

ALL moslems ?

AGAIN,
FACT;
ISLAM, gives moslems the sanction to murder other human beings, who do not believe what they believe.



FACT;
Moslems choose to belong to, and to associate themselves with, ISLAM.


All moslems choose to associate themselves with the evil which ISLAM is.

All moslems, who say "I am a moslem.", are choosing to associate themselves with the religious violence which ISLAM promotes in the world - a religious violence which ISLAM calls, 'religious devotion'.

LOOK HERE ----->
THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/







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It's funny how some see it as a form of free speech.



Yes, it is funny how some can see, exposing the TRUTH about ISLAM [and about moslem intents], as a expression of free speech.
/sarc off

It is a pity that people like yourself cannot, K.

Want to put people like me in goal, perhaps ???






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K,

Persons who choose to who follow an evil supremacist philosophy [ISLAM], a philosophy which promotes intimidation, vicious violence, rape, murder, banditry and brigandry as being 'righteous' and 'lawful' [so long as these 'affections' are inflicted upon those outside of their own 'camp'], so as to promote their own exclusive worldview, of their own supremacist fantasies,
.....THEY are the ones who get a 'pass' from you.


Whereas, those persons who expose the error [in ourselves] of toleration of such a philosophy, are those who are 'irrational', and 'crazy', and full of 'hatred' - according to you.

Sure.

You are the rational one K.          Tongue



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #95 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 8:59pm
 
Thanks, Y.
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Reply #96 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:41pm
 
The moral equivalence being played here of internet extremism and bombings is very ordinary.

Internet extremism????

Is this the latest slogan of the trendy left to silence any opposition?
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Reply #97 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:55pm
 
Who mentioned bombings? We were discussing the Malaysian prime minister’s views on hommersexiality.

Ordinary, eh Mistie?

What do you think of Yadda’s post above?
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Reply #98 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 7:18am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:41pm:
The moral equivalence being played here of internet extremism and bombings is very ordinary.

Internet extremism????

Is this the latest slogan of the trendy left to silence any opposition?


i can see your point mistie.

however, i'm surprised at the number of home invasions and assaults i see in my line of work which are the result of a falling out on facebook.  people seem to get more upset about comments on social media because they sit at home and stew on it before collecting a "posse" and heading off to the perpetrators address.  amazing new phenomena.  but you're right, i side tracked the issue a little discussing the internet and bombings.

still , it has been an informative discussion.

whilst karnal assures me i could insult the prophet and just be shown tolerance in a muslim country as an outsider, how would i go having a swim in saudi arabia with my missus in a thong bikini. 

actually she's probably a bit past that and locking her up may be an appropriate response Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #99 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 8:33am
 
I’m sure they have hotel swimming pools in Saudi Arabia, Aquascoot.

The way they get around the strict laws there is blockout curtains and walled compounds.

We don’t need strict laws here. People are happy to live this way on their own accord.

Freewill, you see?
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Reply #100 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 8:46am
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 8:33am:
I’m sure they have hotel swimming pools in Saudi Arabia, Aquascoot.

The way they get around the strict laws there is blockout curtains and walled compounds.

We don’t need strict laws here. People are happy to live this way on their own accord.

Freewill, you see?





Saudi Arabia.

Aaaaaaaaahhhhh,   .....a place in the sun!

Allah's blessed land.

If only Australians would use block-out curtains too!

How blessed Australians would be.i


Google;
saudi maid abuse



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #101 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:29am
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:50pm:
And so, i want to know, why does gandalf CHOOSE to associate himself, with a death cult ??????


hmmm I don't know Yadda, I've never really thought of it like that...

I guess I'm just a 'death cult' kind of a guy  Undecided
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #102 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:36am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:29am:
Yadda wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:50pm:
And so, i want to know, why does gandalf CHOOSE to associate himself, with a death cult ??????


hmmm I don't know Yadda, I've never really thought of it like that...

I guess I'm just a 'death cult' kind of a guy  Undecided






We come here to make choices gandalf.

It is our own choices, which define us, that define who, and what we are.

No ?



You, and other moslems, have made your choice gandalf.

You choose to associate yourself with what ISLAM is.

OK.

Bear it!



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Reply #103 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:47am
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:36am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:29am:
Yadda wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:50pm:
And so, i want to know, why does gandalf CHOOSE to associate himself, with a death cult ??????


hmmm I don't know Yadda, I've never really thought of it like that...

I guess I'm just a 'death cult' kind of a guy  Undecided






We come here to make choices gandalf.

It is our own choices, which define us, that define who, and what we are.

No ?



You, and other moslems, have made your choice gandalf.

You choose to associate yourself with what ISLAM is.

OK.

Bear it!








"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."

Gandalf - FOTR




gandalf,

Don't you believe [i.e. have faith] ?


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Reply #104 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 10:59am
 
You know I find that quote really funny Yadda  -since it comes right after:

do not be too eager to deal out death and judgment - for even the very wise cannot see all ends

food for thought?
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