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Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform
Reply #105 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 11:52am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 7:18am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 9:41pm:

The moral equivalence being played here of internet extremism and bombings is very ordinary.

Internet extremism????

Is this the latest slogan of the trendy left to silence any opposition?

i can see your point mistie.

however, i'm surprised at the number of home invasions and assaults i see in my line of work which are the result of a falling out on facebook. people seem to get more upset about comments on social media because they sit at home and stew on it before collecting a "posse" and heading off to the perpetrators address. amazing new phenomena. but you're right, i side tracked the issue a little discussing the internet and bombings.

still , it has been an informative discussion.

whilst karnal assures me i could insult the prophet and just be shown tolerance in a muslim country as an outsider, how would i go having a swim in saudi arabia with my missus in a thong bikini.

actually she's probably a bit past that and locking her up may be an appropriate response Cheesy

You're right, that is an amazing new phenomena. I've never heard of that before. I think the sociologists are a bit behind the times then.

It sounds very lowbrow. No wonder many people don't make much of themselves when such little things can turn them into raging clowns.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95295 Gender:	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #106 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 12:23pm As a social scientist, I can assure you: we are completely behind the times. We prefer not to stigmatize people as "lowbrow". We like to use the term "lower socio-economic" to describe the lower orders.
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Reply #107 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 10:59am:

You know I find that quote really funny Yadda -since it comes right after:

do not be too eager to deal out death and judgment - for even the very wise cannot see all ends

food for thought?

Food for thought?

Dictionary;

hypocrisy = = the practice of claiming to have higher standards or beliefs than is the case.

gandalf,

Q.

As a moslem,

do you know what it is, for ISLAM to judge, and, to condemn others, who are not moslems [......and even to judge those 'wrong kind' of moslems who are not moslems in the same mould, as your own sect] ?

A.
To a moslem, it is a righteous act.i+++

Jahiliyya = = the un-ISLAMIC lifestyle

Quote:

"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE"
"It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya which are current in the world or to co-exist in the same land together with a jahili system........"

SAYYID QUTB - ISLAMIC scholar
http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html

OR, Google;
"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" SAYYID QUTB

The 'Jahiliyya' lifestyle is totally incompatible with ISLAM.

And in fact, to devout moslems, the mere *existence* of non-moslem communities is viewed as insulting to the authority of Allah.
...because you see, moslems 'deserve' to have 'authority', to rule the whole world, for Allah.

Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia...

Quote:

"....Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia law, without which Islam cannot exist;"
"...true Islam is a complete system with no room for any element of Jahiliyya"
"...all aspects of Jahiliyya...are "evil and corrupt" "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_contemporary_society

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And;
'We shouldn't judge others'
- right, gandalf ?????

"...A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi

Who, or what is a harbi ???

Harbi is an Arabic/ISLAMIC word, it means "one under a declaration of war".

i.e.
As per ISLAM;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

A 'harbi' can be any non-moslem,
...BUT MOST DEFINITELY, A HARBI IS ANYONE WHO REJECTS ISLAM's RIGHT TO RULE, OVER ALL OF MANKIND.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #108 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:25pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

As a social scientist, I can assure you: we are completely behind the times.

We prefer not to stigmatize people as "lowbrow". We like to use the term "lower socio-economic" to describe the lower orders.

i have trouble with the term social scientist karnal, even though i work in that field.. so much of it seems "not very scientific" i'd call it a social "artist"

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Reply #109 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:30pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 10:59am:

You know I find that quote really funny Yadda -since it comes right after:

do not be too eager to deal out death and judgment - for even the very wise cannot see all ends

food for thought?

Food for thought?

Dictionary;

hypocrisy = = the practice of claiming to have higher standards or beliefs than is the case.

gandalf,

Q.

As a moslem,

do you know what it is, for ISLAM to judge, and, to condemn others, who are not moslems [......and even to judge those 'wrong kind' of moslems who are not moslems in the same mould, as your own sect] ?

A.
To a moslem, it is a righteous act.i+++

Jahiliyya = = the un-ISLAMIC lifestyle

Quote:

"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE"
"It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya which are current in the world or to co-exist in the same land together with a jahili system........"

SAYYID QUTB - ISLAMIC scholar
http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html

OR, Google;
"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" SAYYID QUTB

The 'Jahiliyya' lifestyle is totally incompatible with ISLAM.

And in fact, to devout moslems, the mere *existence* of non-moslem communities is viewed as insulting to the authority of Allah.
...because you see, moslems 'deserve' to have 'authority', to rule the whole world, for Allah.

Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia...

Quote:

"....Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia law, without which Islam cannot exist;"
"...true Islam is a complete system with no room for any element of Jahiliyya"
"...all aspects of Jahiliyya...are "evil and corrupt" "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_contemporary_society

+++

And;
'We shouldn't judge others'
- right, gandalf ?????

"...A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi

Who, or what is a harbi ???

Harbi is an Arabic/ISLAMIC word, it means "one under a declaration of war".

i.e.
As per ISLAM;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

A 'harbi' can be any non-moslem,
...BUT MOST DEFINITELY, A HARBI IS ANYONE WHO REJECTS ISLAM's RIGHT TO RULE, OVER ALL OF MANKIND.

How about this one, Mistie?

Ordinary enough for you?

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Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform
Reply #111 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:33pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

As a social scientist, I can assure you: we are completely behind the times.

We prefer not to stigmatize people as "lowbrow". We like to use the term "lower socio-economic" to describe the lower orders.

i have trouble with the term social scientist karnal, even though i work in that field.. so much of it seems "not very scientific" i'd call it a social "artist"

I'm just winding Mistie up. If Mistie can "work" for the Acadame, I can be a social scientist.

You're right. I'm a social artist.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95295 Gender:	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #112 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:35pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:33pm: I find Yadda's posts hard to follow because of the odd formatting he uses. I find them hard to follow because they're complete crap.
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Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform
Reply #113 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:42pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:33pm:

I find Yadda's posts hard to follow because of the odd formatting he uses.

I find them hard to follow because they're complete crap.

That is coz i am an infidel.

If i was a moslem, my posts would make complete sense.

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Reply #114 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:56pm

Y, Abu, Gandalf and Falah (completely different people with different beliefs) have never judged me or anyone else on this board for not being a Muslim - including you. In fact, they all tolerate you and are reasonably polite in response to your ludicrous posts.

But you're content to judge them solely because of their religion without knowing anything about them at all.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, Y.

Anything else and you're putting yourself above God.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #115 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 2:32pm I disagree on Abu and Falah; Gandalf seems a little bit more level headed those those two though. Abu was forever denigrating Australia and the west. Not long before his departure he was cheering on the Taliban soldiers over the Australian troops. Abu deserved all he got as far as I am concerned.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95295 Gender:	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #116 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 2:34pm Come now, Mistie. You denigrate Australia and the West all the time. But I've never seen you denigrate someone solely because of their religion.
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Reply #117 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 2:53pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Y, Abu, Gandalf and Falah (completely different people with different beliefs) have never judged me or anyone else on this board for not being a Muslim - including you. In fact, they all tolerate you and are reasonably polite in response to your ludicrous posts.

But you're content to judge them solely because of their religion without knowing anything about them at all.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, Y.

Anything else and you're putting yourself above God.

Do you know that abu calls people that aren't muslims??? kafur. I suppose that's you karnal. Go through his posts on aussiemuslim. He called a bloke that was dressed as a nun a cross dressing fag the other week. It's all on aussiemuslim. Some of the stuff he wrote on here about stoning women and OBL is pretty interesting too. He's a very judgemental person. Especially if you aren't a muslim. Falah is an extremist and his posts are disgusting. Especially blaming our bushfires and floods on our military involvements. His posts on our servicemen our revolting also. You need to pull your head out of your bum karnal. Get on aussiemuslim and read their posts.

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Reply #118 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 3:20pm

Big Dave wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Y, Abu, Gandalf and Falah (completely different people with different beliefs) have never judged me or anyone else on this board for not being a Muslim - including you. In fact, they all tolerate you and are reasonably polite in response to your ludicrous posts.

But you're content to judge them solely because of their religion without knowing anything about them at all.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, Y.

Anything else and you're putting yourself above God.

Do you know that abu calls people that aren't muslims??? kafur. I suppose that's you karnal. Go through his posts on aussiemuslim. He called a bloke that was dressed as a nun a cross dressing fag the other week. It's all on aussiemuslim. Some of the stuff he wrote on here about stoning women and OBL is pretty interesting too. He's a very judgemental person. Especially if you aren't a muslim. Falah is an extremist and his posts are disgusting. Especially blaming our bushfires and floods on our military involvements. His posts on our servicemen our revolting also. You need to pull your head out of your bum karnal. Get on aussiemuslim and read their posts.

I agree completely. I'm not a fan of some of Abu or Falah's more fruity ideas either. Falah can't stand me - but not because I'm a kuffir.

Falah just doesn't like smartarses - a prejudice he shares with you, I'm sure.

So unfair.

Been on Aussiemuslim, Big Dave?

Y, we've got another Muslim here. Better get onto him.

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Reply #119 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 5:38pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 3:20pm:

Big Dave wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Y, Abu, Gandalf and Falah (completely different people with different beliefs) have never judged me or anyone else on this board for not being a Muslim - including you. In fact, they all tolerate you and are reasonably polite in response to your ludicrous posts.

But you're content to judge them solely because of their religion without knowing anything about them at all.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, Y.

Anything else and you're putting yourself above God.

Do you know that abu calls people that aren't muslims??? kafur. I suppose that's you karnal. Go through his posts on aussiemuslim. He called a bloke that was dressed as a nun a cross dressing fag the other week. It's all on aussiemuslim. Some of the stuff he wrote on here about stoning women and OBL is pretty interesting too. He's a very judgemental person. Especially if you aren't a muslim. Falah is an extremist and his posts are disgusting. Especially blaming our bushfires and floods on our military involvements. His posts on our servicemen our revolting also. You need to pull your head out of your bum karnal. Get on aussiemuslim and read their posts.

I agree completely. I'm not a fan of some of Abu or Falah's more fruity ideas either. Falah can't stand me - but not because I'm a kuffir.

Falah just doesn't like smartarses - a prejudice he shares with you, I'm sure.

So unfair.

Been on Aussiemuslim, Big Dave?

Y, we've got another Muslim here. Better get onto him.

I'm interested in knowing things. More fruity ideas??? That's a nice way of putting it. Most muslims are good people. But these people are highly political and on another level from your aussie political forum type people. Their whole deal is this- to turn muslims away from australian society because their think their interpretation is islam will be corrupted. The whole aussiemuslim website is - they are doing this to us and they are doing that. Falah is 90% of their posts.

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