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Reply #75 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:23pm
 
whats the problem yadda? Isn't this the best solution? The "final solution" you might say. You of all people know only too well what the muslim hordes are scheming to do to all non-muslims - every minute of every day.

Its self defense Yadda - either kill or be killed.

Karnal is merely taking your argument to its logical conclusion no?
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #76 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:30pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:02pm:
about what % of muslims in a place like pakistan , do you reckon, would try to physically harm you if you said something derogatory about the prophet?


You're basing an entire world view on the hypothetical response you'd get in a crowded Pakistani mosque if you insulted their prophet?

Why stop at Muslims? Football hooligans, heavy-metal fans, neo-Nazi rallies, the gay Mardi Gras, the Myer Boxing Day sale, the old boy's Lutheran church picnic (if it rains), Yadda's Karmic Khristian crowd on Religionofpeace.org...
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Reply #77 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:32pm
 
sprintcyclist wrote:
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I am on gandalfs side here.
give credit where credit is due.
well done gandalf, you have spoken on soemthing you believe could be improved.
I do not expect you to 'committ suicide' to prove you disagree with anything.


Thanks sprint, I do appreciate that  Smiley
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #78 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:23pm:
whats the problem yadda? Isn't this the best solution? The "final solution" you might say. You of all people know only too well what the muslim hordes are scheming to do to all non-muslims - every minute of every day.

Its self defense Yadda - either kill or be killed.

Karnal is merely taking your argument to its logical conclusion no?


Not just the illogical conclusion, but actual calls to arms from Yadda and the old boy on a number of occasions.
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Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform
Reply #79 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:39pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:23pm:
whats the problem yadda? Isn't this the best solution? The "final solution" you might say. You of all people know only too well what the muslim hordes are scheming to do to all non-muslims - every minute of every day.

Its self defense Yadda - either kill or be killed.

Karnal is merely taking your argument to its logical conclusion no?






FACT;
ISLAM, gives moslems the sanction to murder other human beings, who do not believe what they believe.



FACT;
Moslems choose to belong to, and to associate themselves with, ISLAM.





What is the problem gandalf?

Just tell us all gandalf, why do you choose to embrace a philosophy which declares that it is 'lawful' for you to slaughter other human beings, who do not believe what you believe ?

Why do you choose to belong to, and to associate yourself with, ISLAM, gandalf ?



Do you deny that ISLAM declares that it is 'lawful' for you as a moslem, to slaughter other human beings, who do not believe what you believe ?

How low can you go, gandalf, in your support for ISLAM ?







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"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #80 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:40pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:36pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:23pm:
whats the problem yadda? Isn't this the best solution? The "final solution" you might say. You of all people know only too well what the muslim hordes are scheming to do to all non-muslims - every minute of every day.

Its self defense Yadda - either kill or be killed.

Karnal is merely taking your argument to its logical conclusion no?


Not just the illogical conclusion, but actual calls to arms from Yadda and the old boy on a number of occasions.




You got ref's ???

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #81 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:41pm
 
No, Y. You know them.

Why should Gandalf have to justify his choice of religion? Have you gone totally bonkers?
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Reply #82 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:50pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:41pm:
No, Y. You know them.






I know them ???

I know,   ......that the moon is made of green cheese.

And i know, that you are a person who has no sincere opinions of his own which he is willing to reveal in this public forum.

Weak, low, person.i Quote:

Why should Gandalf have to justify his choice of religion? Have you gone totally bonkers?



Because, ISLAM is a death cult.

And so, i want to know, why does gandalf CHOOSE to associate himself, with a death cult ??????

It is a reasonable question to ask!




FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260
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Reply #83 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:53pm
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:50pm:
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Why should Gandalf have to justify his choice of religion? Have you gone totally bonkers?



Because, ISLAM is a death cult.





CORRECTION;
Because, ISLAM is a MURDEROUS death cult.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #84 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:57pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:30pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:02pm:
about what % of muslims in a place like pakistan , do you reckon, would try to physically harm you if you said something derogatory about the prophet?


You're basing an entire world view on the hypothetical response you'd get in a crowded Pakistani mosque if you insulted their prophet?

Why stop at Muslims? Football hooligans, heavy-metal fans, neo-Nazi rallies, the gay Mardi Gras, the Myer Boxing Day sale, the old boy's Lutheran church picnic (if it rains), Yadda's Karmic Khristian crowd on Religionofpeace.org...


well, with the exception of football hooligans, i think, whilst i mite get some abuse thrown my way for insulting the mardi gras crowd or the lutheran picnic. i would not be in fear of my life.
i think the psychological technique is called flooding. you have something which really upsets you (say a snake) so people just keep putting rubber snakes in your life until the reaction extinguishes.
so perhaps we need to practice this technique with the muslim world.

a bit like piss christ and monty pythons "life of brian"

we need to be super insulting and carpet bomb the muslim extremists with

piss mohamed and the parody film "life of mohamed"  until they either relax and learn to accept our "sense of humor' and "art"  or they self implode.

either way, it probably beats walking on egg shells.

also karmal, i think it is a capital offense to insult the prophet in pakistan. i doubt insulting man united at old trafford would see me executed  Wink
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Reply #85 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:19pm
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:50pm:
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And i know, that you are a person who has no sincere opinions of his own which he is willing to reveal in this public forum.


I haven't seen you reveal your own beliefs on Karmic Khristianity for a while either, Y.

Still, I know you have them.

Perhaps you would like to discuss your own beliefs instead of judging and criticizing others. I'm not telling you what you should do, but you have this choice.

Just as Gandalf and everyone else here has the right to choose their own spiritual path based on their own life experience and things you don't know about - things you'll never know.

A spiritual path is not a negation of someone else's spiritual path. In fact, that path is certain to lead you nowhere. It will merely make you angry and resentful, and you'll save no souls in the process.

I can only speak for myself, but your posts are not doing any converting or saving. After all, judging people's height is hardly going to bring them around to your point of view, is it?

Anyway, I'm about average. If you want to buy me a nice T shirt, go for Small or Medium.
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Reply #86 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:38pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:57pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:30pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:02pm:
about what % of muslims in a place like pakistan , do you reckon, would try to physically harm you if you said something derogatory about the prophet?


You're basing an entire world view on the hypothetical response you'd get in a crowded Pakistani mosque if you insulted their prophet?

Why stop at Muslims? Football hooligans, heavy-metal fans, neo-Nazi rallies, the gay Mardi Gras, the Myer Boxing Day sale, the old boy's Lutheran church picnic (if it rains), Yadda's Karmic Khristian crowd on Religionofpeace.org...


well, with the exception of football hooligans, i think, whilst i mite get some abuse thrown my way for insulting the mardi gras crowd or the lutheran picnic. i would not be in fear of my life.


Believe me, a Western woman insulting the prophet in Pakistan is not very likely get stabbed or bludgeoned to death. They may well do this to a Pakistani woman, but as an outsider you're almost certain to be led away by a rescuer. This is the culture of most Central Asian countries. Outsiders are seen as guests.

Contrast this with a Pakistani spectator at one of the more white supremacist football matches in Eastern Europe. There, if the crowd are riled up, an outsider is unlikely to get away without being bashed.

I'm sure there are exceptions to this rule. You can never predict a crowd. There are definitely no-go areas in Pakistan for Westerners, particularly if a woman is not fully covered. However, this is much more likely to be because of your ransom value, not your religion.

A Westerner in most Muslim countries who rails against Islam or the Prophet is more likely to receive a blank, perplexed look than an attack. If it continues, someone would most likely - very politely - tell you to pull your head in for your own safety.

And if you ever get arrested in Pakistan - for whatever charge - give the first cop a hundred US dollars. The higher you go, the more expensive it gets.

My advice would be to respect the culture and religion of whatever country you're in - much easier.
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Reply #87 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:12pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:38pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:57pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:30pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:02pm:
about what % of muslims in a place like pakistan , do you reckon, would try to physically harm you if you said something derogatory about the prophet?


You're basing an entire world view on the hypothetical response you'd get in a crowded Pakistani mosque if you insulted their prophet?

Why stop at Muslims? Football hooligans, heavy-metal fans, neo-Nazi rallies, the gay Mardi Gras, the Myer Boxing Day sale, the old boy's Lutheran church picnic (if it rains), Yadda's Karmic Khristian crowd on Religionofpeace.org...


well, with the exception of football hooligans, i think, whilst i mite get some abuse thrown my way for insulting the mardi gras crowd or the lutheran picnic. i would not be in fear of my life.


Believe me, a Western woman insulting the prophet in Pakistan is not very likely get stabbed or bludgeoned to death. They may well do this to a Pakistani woman, but as an outsider you're almost certain to be led away by a rescuer. This is the culture of most Central Asian countries. Outsiders are seen as guests.

Contrast this with a Pakistani spectator at one of the more white supremacist football matches in Eastern Europe. There, if the crowd are riled up, an outsider is unlikely to get away without being bashed.

I'm sure there are exceptions to this rule. You can never predict a crowd. There are definitely no-go areas in Pakistan for Westerners, particularly if a woman is not fully covered. However, this is much more likely to be because of your ransom value, not your religion.

A Westerner in most Muslim countries who rails against Islam or the Prophet is more likely to receive a blank, perplexed look than an attack. If it continues, someone would most likely - very politely - tell you to pull your head in for your own safety.

And if you ever get arrested in Pakistan - for whatever charge - give the first cop a hundred US dollars. The higher you go, the more expensive it gets.

My advice would be to respect the culture and religion of whatever country you're in - much easier.



interesting, i never would have thought that.  so why did they get all hot under the collar when some film makers made that silly youtube clip.  surely a simple "pull your heads in" would be a more appropriate response
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Reply #88 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:40pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:30pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:02pm:
about what % of muslims in a place like pakistan , do you reckon, would try to physically harm you if you said something derogatory about the prophet?


You're basing an entire world view on the hypothetical response you'd get in a crowded Pakistani mosque if you insulted their prophet?

Why stop at Muslims? Football hooligans, heavy-metal fans, neo-Nazi rallies, the gay Mardi Gras, the Myer Boxing Day sale, the old boy's Lutheran church picnic (if it rains), Yadda's Karmic Khristian crowd on Religionofpeace.org...


You haven't watched the news lately have you Karnal? (BTW, nice to see you return to making sense at least)

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well, with the exception of football hooligans, i think, whilst i mite get some abuse thrown my way for insulting the mardi gras crowd or the lutheran picnic. i would not be in fear of my life.


Muslims have even taken soccer hooliganism to a whole new level.
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Reply #89 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:18pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:12pm:
interesting, i never would have thought that.  so why did they get all hot under the collar when some film makers made that silly youtube clip.  surely a simple "pull your heads in" would be a more appropriate response


Good question. Why do people get all hot under the collar on the internet?

The old boy's an exception - he has important things to get hot about. I forget what they are, but we excuse him because he's an unassimilated cheese-head. We like to accommodate, you see.

There is no standard Muslim culture, set or laws or values. Arabs seem to be hotheads - maybe they eat a lot of cheese. South East Asians are generally polite and easy going, whatever religion they are.

Including Yadda's Malaysians.

Iranians are very welcoming and friendly to foreigners, as are Turks (so I'm told). Turkey's one of the biggest tourist destinations in Europe right now - particularly for middle-aged women who want to get laid. Former Soviet Muslims seem just like Russians to me - although I'm sure there are differences. They seem to have a similar taste in clothes, particularly tracksuits - and underpants at the beach.

Pakistanis and Indian Muslims can be quite intellectual - as distinct from Hindus, who are all colour and emotion.

And before anyone makes out I'm categorizing (I am), some of these nationalities have told me this about themselves.

But yes, why do people on the internet go on murderous tirades so easily?

My guess is that it's safe. You can say what you want and you don't have to back it up. Yadda would never carry on like he does to a group of Muslims. Like most people, he'd have grave doubts about actually implementing the sort of things he says. Like most, I think pulling the trigger or pressing the button would be a very hard step for Yadda to take.

The only reason we can be like this on the internet is we're isolated from the consequences of our words. If the consequence is right there in your face, people talk differently. We choose our words and tone depending on the response we receive from our audience.

My guess is the most extremist posters on the net are the most lonely - but this is just a hunch.

The "behead all those who insult the prophet" line is an internet thing to say. As soon as the woman who made that sign was confronted with an angry response, she backed down. She pretended she didn't know what she was saying.

Crap. She just had no idea she'd provoke such anger - she forgot that she wasn't on the internet anymore.
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