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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #60 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 9:53am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

To stimulate debate, some new evidence needs to be produced that contradicts the stated position. None is forthcoming, and I cant see you producing any.

Are you for real?, there is so much evidence that man made global warming is a crock of sh#t that its just amazing how anyone can not be a skeptic.

Really!!!!

there is so much evidence that man made global warming is a crock of sh#t !!!

Please show us a piece of this evidence.

Could you do that?

THanks

Wasting your breath rabbit. They all claim to know more than experts in the field, all claim to know of evidence to prove their case, but of course cant provide a thing, except maybe a link to Not-a Lord Monchkton's ramblings.

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #61 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 9:57am

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Do you deny the political agenda?

THere is no "political agenda" in the simple fact that Co2 has become a pollutant because the CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect.

It is a simple observable fact.

Atmospheric CO2 concentration is increasing. THis is a simple observable fact.
Most of the extra CO2 is a result of the burning of fossil fuels. THis is a simple observable fact.
The increasing concentration has led to an increase in downward longwave radiation and a decrease in outgoing lonwave radiation in the wavelength spectra as are absorbed by CO2 and other anthropogenic greenhouse gasses. THis is a simple observable fact.
The planet is warming. THis is a simple observable fact.

How does any imaginary "political agenda" you perceive affect any of these simple observable facts?

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #62 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 10:28am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

THere is no "political agenda"

...so why are you discussing the issue on a political forum?

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

in the simple fact that Co2 has become a pollutant because the CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect.

You've said that before but it's simply not a 'simple' fact. Exclaim

It's just an opinion.

CO2 cannot be a pollutant due to the FACT that it's critically necessary for life to exist. Producing CO2 is natural. You exhale CO2. Plants use it to make oxygen.

It is only being branded as a pollutant by eco-socialists pushing their whacko socialist agendas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-socialism
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Eco-socialism, green socialism or socialist ecology is an ideology merging aspects of Marxism, socialism, green politics, ecology and alter-globalization. Eco-socialists generally believe that the expansion of the capitalist system is the cause of social exclusion, poverty, war and environmental degradation through globalization and imperialism, under the supervision of repressive states and transnational structures.[1] Eco-socialists advocate the dismantling of capitalism and the state, focusing on common ownership of the means of production by freely associated producers and restoration of the commons.[1]

By indoctrinating gullible people into thinking CO2 is a boogie man eco-socialists can put the boot into industry and redistribute wealth with carbon taxes etc etc. That is their real agenda. Sad

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth Reply #63 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 10:37am rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 9:49am: It is contaminating an environment with man-made waste. Newsflash ... co2 is not man made.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth Reply #64 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 10:45am Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 10:37am: rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 9:49am: It is contaminating an environment with man-made waste. Newsflash ... co2 is not man made. Exception being the CO2 we exhale.
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rabbitoh07 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2783 Gender:	Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth Reply #65 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:23am Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 10:37am: rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 9:49am: It is contaminating an environment with man-made waste. Newsflash ... co2 is not man made. Newsflash ...co2 is a byproduct of burning fossil fuels. It is a man made waste.
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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #66 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:29am

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 10:28am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

in the simple fact that Co2 has become a pollutant because the CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect.

You've said that before but it's simply not a 'simple' fact. Exclaim

It's just an opinion.

No. It is a fact.

Atmospheric CO2 concentration is increasing. THis is a simple observable fact.
Most of the extra CO2 is a result of the burning of fossil fuels. THis is a simple observable fact.
The increasing concentration has led to an increase in downward longwave radiation and a decrease in outgoing lonwave radiation in the wavelength spectra as are absorbed by CO2 and other anthropogenic greenhouse gasses. THis is a simple observable fact.
The planet is warming. THis is a simple observable fact.

Co2 has become a pollutant because the CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect. THis is a simple observable fact.

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 10:28am:

CO2 cannot be a pollutant due to the FACT that it's critically necessary for life to exist. Producing CO2 is natural. You exhale CO2. Plants use it to make oxygen.

What tha?!?!?!

Many pollutants are "critically necessary for life to exist."

Soil, water, NaCl, carbon (ie. soot), nutrients such as N, P, K, etc etc etc all can be pollutants. ANd all are "critically necessary for life to exist."

Big fail.

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #67 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:31am

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 10:28am:

It is only being branded as a pollutant by eco-socialists pushing their whacko socialist agendas.

No - it is being branded a pollutant by everyone who understands what the word "pollutant" means - regardless of their politics.

Go back and look at the definition for "pollute"you provided:
to contaminate (an environment) especially with man-made waste

Co2 has become a pollutant because the CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137588 Gender:	Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth Reply #68 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:46pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:31am: ... CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect. Let me guess: you think this is a "fact"?
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth Reply #69 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:51pm ......now you've gone and put me off my friday arvo beer.......thinking about all that pollutant in my beer.............
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth Reply #70 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:52pm Nothings sacred. Now beer is a pollutant....
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth Reply #71 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:53pm Beer is causing global warming. It'll be on the hit list next.
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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #72 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

... CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect.

Let me guess: you think this is a "fact"?

Its is an undesputed fact th at we are releasing co2 into the atmosphere.

Deniers problem is they cant explain away where its going.

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #73 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

... CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect.

Let me guess: you think this is a "fact"?

Roll Eyes

Please tell us what scientific principles you think were ignored in developing the hypotheses which make up AGW theory and what scientific principles you think were ignored in the collection of the vast body of empirical evidence which supports these hypotheses.

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #74 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:57pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:52pm:

Nothings sacred.

Now beer is a pollutant.... Cheesy

Yes. It can be.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02757540902970314#preview

Do you understand now how stupid your comment:
CO2 cannot be a pollutant due to the FACT that it's critically necessary for life to exist.
was?

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