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Reply #75 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:00pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

... CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect.

Let me guess: you think this is a "fact"?
Roll Eyes

Please tell us what scientific principles you think were ignored in developing the hypotheses which make up AGW theory and what scientific principles you think were ignored in the collection of the vast body of empirical evidence which supports these hypotheses.

I'll take that as a "yes" then.

And you alarmists wonder why we don't take any notice of you Roll Eyes

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Reply #76 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:03pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

... CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect.

Let me guess: you think this is a "fact"?

Its is an undesputed fact th at we are releasing co2 into the atmosphere.

Deniers problem is they cant explain away where its going.

WTF is a harmful concentration of CO2? Just what level of CO2 concentration is deemed to be harmful comrade Poindexters?

What is being harmed by the "harmful concentrations" of CO2?

Are you being attacked by harmful clouds of CO2 when you go outside.... Grin

That's just a theory with dicey circumstanial evidence and nowhere near being anywhere close to a FACT.... Roll Eyes

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #77 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

... CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect.

Let me guess: you think this is a "fact"?
Roll Eyes

Please tell us what scientific principles you think were ignored in developing the hypotheses which make up AGW theory and what scientific principles you think were ignored in the collection of the vast body of empirical evidence which supports these hypotheses.

I'll take that as a "yes" then.

And you alarmists wonder why we don't take any notice of you Roll Eyes

Don't keep running away Greggey. Please tell us what scientific principles you think were ignored in developing the hypotheses which make up AGW theory and what scientific principles you think were ignored in the collection of the vast body of empirical evidence which supports these hypotheses.

You made a statement - why can't you explain it?

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #78 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:06pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

... CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect.

Let me guess: you think this is a "fact"?

Its is an undesputed fact th at we are releasing co2 into the atmosphere.

Deniers problem is they cant explain away where its going.

WTF is a harmful concentration of CO2? Just what level of CO2 concentration is deemed to be harmful comrade Poindexters?

What is being harmed by the "harmful concentrations" of CO2?

Are you being attacked by harmful clouds of CO2 when you go outside.... Grin

That's just a theory with dicey circumstanial evidence and nowhere near being anywhere close to a FACT.... Roll Eyes

A harmful level of CO2 in the atmosphere is a level which causes negative impacts on human society and ecosystems.
The harm being caused is the result of the changes in temperature and hydrological cycles and their impacts on human society and ecosystems.

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #79 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:08pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

... CO2 which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels is occurring at harmful concentrations in the atmosphere by contributing to an advanced greenhouse effect.

Let me guess: you think this is a "fact"?

Its is an undesputed fact th at we are releasing co2 into the atmosphere.

Deniers problem is they cant explain away where its going.

WTF is a harmful concentration of CO2? Just what level of CO2 concentration is deemed to be harmful comrade Poindexters?

What is being harmed by the "harmful concentrations" of CO2?

Are you being attacked by harmful clouds of CO2 when you go outside.... Grin

Are you using the "alien attack" defense ?
ha, ha, ha.

Co2 is a known greenhouse gas. Its a cold hard fact it warms our earth. Harmful concentrations are double, triple, or quadruple concentrations of what it was in 1990. Those concentrations will impact our lifestyle to varing degrees.

Is that simple enough for you.

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #80 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:09pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

WTF is a harmful concentration of CO2? Just what level of CO2 concentration is deemed to be harmful comrade Poindexters?

It's whatever level the leaders of their cult say.

They have complete faith in those at the top and refuse to question anything they say.

Whatever arbitrary number the leaders come up with is good enough for the AGW disciples.

It's a faith based cult. Little else.

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #81 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:30pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

Are you using the "alien attack" defense ?
ha, ha, ha.

Actually that's your line. The CO2 Boogie Man is after you kids..... Wink

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

Co2 is a known greenhouse gas

Back to that again. So is water vapour. There's a schitt load more water vapour in the atmosphere than CO2.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

It's whatever level the leaders of their cult say

Exactly.......but I'd like the Rabbit & Jolly to elaborate why anything over 1990 CO2 concentrations is considered harmful?

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

Its a cold hard fact it warms our earth

It's a

cold

fact that it

warms

our Earth? Grin

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

Harmful concentrations are double, triple, or quadruple concentrations of what it was in 1990. Those concentrations will impact our lifestyle to varing degrees.

Says who? What was so "cool" [pun intended] about the concentrations in 1990? WTF made them the benchmark?

Greater CO2 concentration will perhaps impact our lifestyle by maybe increasing crop yields, providing more arable land. This sounds like a positive impact to me. Maybe we should be actively increasing CO2 concentrations?

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Reply #82 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

WTF is a harmful concentration of CO2? Just what level of CO2 concentration is deemed to be harmful comrade Poindexters?

It's whatever level the leaders of their cult say.

They have complete faith in those at the top and refuse to question anything they say.

Whatever arbitrary number the leaders come up with is good enough for the AGW disciples.

It's a faith based cult. Little else.

Don't keep running away Greggey. Please tell us what scientific principles you think were ignored in developing the hypotheses which make up AGW theory and what scientific principles you think were ignored in the collection of the vast body of empirical evidence which supports these hypotheses.

You made a statement - why can't you explain it?

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #83 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:36pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

Exactly.......but I'd like the Rabbit & Jolly to elaborate why anything over 1990 CO2 concentrations is considered harmful?

Anything over 1990 CO2 concentrations is considered more harmful than 1990 concentrations.

It is harmful because it is affecting climate and hydrological systems which in turn have negative impacts on human society and ecosystems.

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #84 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:44pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:32pm:

Don't keep running away Greggey. Please tell us what scientific principles you think were ignored in developing the hypotheses which make up AGW theory and what scientific principles you think were ignored in the collection of the vast body of empirical evidence which supports these hypotheses.

What about the scientific fact that the earth has warmed and cooled in the past without the assistance of anthropogenic assistance to CO2 concentrations.

What about the scientific fact that the Earth is in an interglacial warming period right now. The Holocene. CO2 concentrations are just following as a circumstance of the natural warming and confused alarmist ape decendents use this circumstantial logic to draw the conclusion that it is their own doing? Cheesy

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #86 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:45pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:32pm:

You made a statement - why can't you explain it?

What statement was that, Bunny?

THis one Greggery:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 3:40pm:

And the AGW hypothesis ignores scientific principles,

Please tell us what scientific principles you think were ignored in developing the hypotheses which make up AGW theory and what scientific principles you think were ignored in the collection of the vast body of empirical evidence which supports these hypotheses.

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Reply #87 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:55pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:44pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:32pm:

Don't keep running away Greggey. Please tell us what scientific principles you think were ignored in developing the hypotheses which make up AGW theory and what scientific principles you think were ignored in the collection of the vast body of empirical evidence which supports these hypotheses.

What about the scientific fact that the earth has warmed and cooled in the past without the assistance of anthropogenic assistance to CO2 concentrations.

What about it?
Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:44pm:

What about the scientific fact that the Earth is in an interglacial warming period right now. The Holocene. CO2 concentrations are just following as a circumstance of the natural warming and confused alarmist ape decendents use this circumstantial logic to draw the conclusion that it is their own doing? Cheesy

No, CO2 concentrations are not just following as a circumstance of the natural warming. Not in the last 150 years anyway. The increases in that time are almost entirely to the burning of fossil fuels, and this can be measured by analysing the C12/C13 ratio of carbon in the atmosphere
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/figure-2-3.html

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #88 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:58pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:45pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:32pm:

You made a statement - why can't you explain it?

What statement was that, Bunny?

THis one Greggery:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 3:40pm:

And the AGW hypothesis ignores scientific principles,

Is that what you're all worked up over?

Sorry about that old man.

It should have read: And followers of the AGW hypothesis ignore scientific principles.

The hypothesis itself follows scientific principles.

The disciples, however, seem to ignore science when discussing the issue. They're more concerned with emotion and consensus.

My problem is with the brainwashed, unscientific cult members: not the formulation of their little hypothesis.

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Re: The effects of co2 on plant growth
Reply #89 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 3:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:45pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 2:32pm:

You made a statement - why can't you explain it?

What statement was that, Bunny?

THis one Greggery:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 3:40pm:

And the AGW hypothesis ignores scientific principles,

Is that what you're all worked up over?

Sorry about that old man.

It should have read: And followers of the AGW hypothesis ignore scientific principles.

The hypothesis itself follows scientific principles.

The disciples, however, seem to ignore science when discussing the issue. They're more concerned with emotion and consensus.

My problem is with the brainwashed, unscientific cult members: not the formulation of their little hypothesis.

So after avoiding the question on about 12 seperate occasions, you finally start back-peddling.

Tell me Greggery - you seem to think that I am one of the brainwashed, unscientific cult members.

What scientific princilpes have I ignored Greggery?

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