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Feb 12th, 2013 at 1:30am
 
We  know about the Siberian impact of the early 20th Century.

We know that just a yr or so ago, a large asteroid passed by the Earth,  within the Moon's orbit.  CLOSE CALL, astronomically speaking.!!

NOW we know that an asteroid,  first noticed in 2012....  !!!!  is about to pass us within the next week. !!!

THIS one is tracked and predicted to pass by the Earth, inside the range of our satellites!!.

And YES ..Humans  ... we only picked it out last yr, from the spacial background.

I'm with Light... 
we are mere atoms, in this Cosmos,
and maybe loud music is our only practical response.

 



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Reply #1 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 4:37am
 
The moon is apparently pockmarked and asteroids hit the earth a lot too but we have been here there have been few. It has to happen sometime hey. The atmosphere protects us somewhat from the smaller ones because they burn up.

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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 5:05am
 
Don't worry, guys. If an asteroid really was going to hit us I pretty sure NASA has a plan involving sending a dozen roughnecks to intercept it after just a few days of training them, and they'll be fine even though it usually takes years of training GeForce an astronaut is even considered for a seat on a mission. We've probably have the prototype spacecraft they need out at Area 51 or someshit so we can loft the oilworkers, a couple of hand built, never been tested outside of a lab drills, and a pair of multimegaton class thermonuclear weapons on like two weeks notice. Probably get that down to a week notice if we can find a smokin' hot betty whose dad is the singer of an iconic rock group to boink the secondary team lead.  There's probably gonna be a metric f*ckload of US flags that'll need to get waved in order to provide extra lift to the rockets or something...

No, wait. That's the plot to Armageddon.
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Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 11:52am
 
Crapageddon more like it  Grin
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Reply #4 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 2:08pm
 
The alternate plan calls for the emergency election of Morgan Freeman to President followed a multiyear black bag project to covertly build a 500m long starship that's main drive works by exploding thermonuclear weapons and riding the shockwave. Despite being built in Low Earth Orbit no one will notice an orbital construction project involving the combined space agencies of every nation on earth, until a relatively unknown reporter stumbles across it while trying to catch the secretary of state schtuping his secretary. Despite trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of man-hours devoted to the project half the object the ship was sent to intercept and destroy makes it to Earth and utterly ruins the poo of everyone with in 100km of an Atlantic coastline.

We call this "Operation: Jerry Bruckheimer was already contracted to direct the other plan."
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Reply #5 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 2:20pm
 
Emma wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 1:30am:
We  know about the Siberian impact of the early 20th Century.

We know that just a yr or so ago, a large asteroid passed by the Earth,  within the Moon's orbit.  CLOSE CALL, astronomically speaking.!!

NOW we know that an asteroid,  first noticed in 2012....  !!!!  is about to pass us within the next week. !!!

THIS one is tracked and predicted to pass by the Earth, inside the range of our satellites!!.

And YES ..Humans  ... we only picked it out last yr, from the spacial background.

I'm with Light... 
we are mere atoms, in this Cosmos,
and maybe loud music is our only practical response.




An asteroid could hit the earth at any moment & wipe out all human civilisation.
Still - that is very unlikely to happen in anyone's lifetime.
I think we get a large hit about every 60 million years.
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Reply #6 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 5:29pm
 
Fun Fact: The my annual departmental travel budget is about eight times the size of the budget NASA allocates to Near Earth Object detection.

Fun Fact II: Even if NASA increased that budget by an order of magnitude and mapped out every object in the solar system from the Sun's corona to the Kyper Belt there's f*ck all we could to intercept and destroy/divert an object we confirmed as heading for Earth. Even with a two decade heads up there isn't really anything we could do.
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Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 6:34pm
 
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The moon is apparently pockmarked and asteroids hit the earth a lot too but we have been here there have been few. It has to happen sometime hey. The atmosphere protects us somewhat from the smaller ones because they burn up.

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A. Has the presence of the moon through the ages meant that the Earth was...

1.less exposed to meteoroid impact (because they hit the moon instead or were subject to the slingshot effect of the moon's gravity),

2. more exposed (because of the larger gravitational target)
or

3. There was no net difference because the two effects cancelled out.

In your answer, take into account that the Moon's orbit  has gradually drifted away further from the Earth and that the numbers of meteoroids decreased dramatically in the first billion years of the solar system.

B. Develop an iterative, multi-variable hillclimbing based  algorithm to demonstrate that the meaning of life is actually 42.

(Show all calculations)   Grin
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Reply #8 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:00pm
 
The difference would be negligible.
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Reply #9 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:58pm
 
That's what I think too, yet for a while a few astronomers were claiming that the presence of the moon resulted in more cometary impacts in the early solar system and was largely responsible for the thickness of the Earth's atmosphere today. (from comet captures and collisions).

The gravitational profile was also greater when the moon was closer to the Earth, which happened to be at the time when cometary collisions were more likely. In other words, the Earth and Moon acted as a more effective comet catching system when they were closer together.
 
This brings us to the fact that early comets had a central heating system powered by Aluminium 26. So we have comets containing methane, carbon dioxide and  possibly liquid water together with a radiogenic heat source which could produce large combinations of organic chemicals.

In other words  - were comets the seeds of life?

An interestng thought at least.
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Reply #10 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:12pm
 
muso wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:58pm:
That's what I think too, yet for a while a few astronomers were claiming that the presence of the moon resulted in more cometary impacts in the early solar system and was largely responsible for the thickness of the Earth's atmosphere today. (from comet captures and collisions).

The gravitational profile was also greater when the moon was closer to the Earth, which happened to be at the time when cometary collisions were more likely. In other words, the Earth and Moon acted as a more effective comet catching system when they were closer together.
 



Hi Muso,
That would be true.
The constant changing of the gravitational pull - a disturbance -
would cause greater deviation of asteroid & comet paths
meaning that although a strike would not hit immediately an asteroid or comet could be put off it's usual safe course
& end up on a collision course with earth -  many orbits later.

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Reply #11 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:46pm
 
perhaps the Earth is somewhat protected from meteors and asteroids , by the presence of the Moon ..as you 've commented,  different gravitic forces are at play..

But there is plain evidence, all over Earth that shows some truly massive impacts in the past.

The Australia continent presents a fascinating picture of past strikes.

I read a particularly riveting article in Australian Geographic,  within the last yr or so,.. which mapped our most significant impact sites,  and when they occurred.

Fascinating... Humbling... 

Worth checking out.
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Reply #12 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:56pm
 
Yes Emma,
have a look at all the Australian & other asteroid craters:

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=asteroid+crater+australia&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...
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Reply #13 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 10:05pm
 
Bobby??

I don't think you can compare an asteroid with a comet,  in the context of orbit.

an asteroid or comet could be put off it's usual safe course
& end up on a collision course with earth -  many orbits later.


I may be wrong,  but just off the top of my head.... 

Comets are known to be on basically elliptical orbits,..... but not around Earth..

Their transit has nothing to do with Earth. We just happen to be on the way.

Asteroids, big and small,  captured in the belts that surround planets in our system...  may degenerate over time..and go down the gravitational well...   but it'd take a long time.!! Our science should be up to noticing these  ..hopefully.

but I don't think the Asteroids we are talking about have any orbit based on Earth. Have they?

Aren't they  the 'free radicals' of the perceivable universe??

and as a part of the swirling galactic arm that includes the Milky Way...  Smiley

is not our outpost moving closer to an area of much denser matter..eg asteroids... 

I KNOW I'm talking galactic time......  but sooner or later.. if we continue to exist,... this will present a much greater danger to our civilisation.

If WE are now just approaching that area of space ...who can say how much more frequent this 'missed by a whisker' event will be.??

Definitely food for thought.

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Reply #14 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 10:10pm
 
Hi Emma,
it doesn't matter if it's an asteroid or a comet -
it's orbit can be disturbed unevenly by an Earth/Moon system.

I don't think we're moving closer to any belt of asteroids.

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