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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26498 Australia	Seal Team 6 Member has no Pension Feb 12^th, 2013 at 6:16am the guy that killed bin laden doesn't have a pension or a job. He served 16 years but apparently you have to serve 20 to get a pension. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/bin-laden-shooter-recalls-brains-spilli... Cant paste the article cause theres too many pictures. SOB
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Reply #1 - Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:00am

Yeah, that article screams "bullsh*t", Spot. Way to many things in that story that simply do not add up.

1. Why is the mysterious "SEAL" never named? If the guy is supposedly retired then there is no reason for him to not give his name. It's not classified and without a name there is absolutely no way to verify the guy's story. For all we know the article was dreamed up by the author after he smoked way to much reefer while playing Modern Warfare 3 or something.

2. This one is a lot more glaring, because assuming the source was credible (i.e. the guy really is who he says), the only possible reason the man doesn't have veterans benefits is he somehow managed to get dishonorably discharged. If that's the case then he's a scumbag and should be ashamed of himself for lying to the press.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74217 Gender:	Re: Seal Team 6 Member has no Pension Reply #2 - Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:12am Chard wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:00am: If the guy is supposedly retired then there is no reason for him to not give his name except that he'll have half of Al qaeda after him and his family.
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Reply #3 - Feb 12^th, 2013 at 9:02am

Chard wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:00am:

Yeah, that article screams "bullsh*t", Spot. Way to many things in that story that simply do not add up.

1. Why is the mysterious "SEAL" never named? If the guy is supposedly retired then there is no reason for him to not give his name. It's not classified and without a name there is absolutely no way to verify the guy's story. For all we know the article was dreamed up by the author after he smoked way to much reefer while playing Modern Warfare 3 or something.

2. This one is a lot more glaring, because assuming the source was credible (i.e. the guy really is who he says), the only possible reason the man doesn't have veterans benefits is he somehow managed to get dishonorably discharged. If that's the case then he's a scumbag and should be ashamed of himself for lying to the press.

Look in google news there are lots of sources. he isnt giving his name because he is paranoid. That much is obvious from the article.

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Reply #4 - Feb 12^th, 2013 at 9:56am

John Smith wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

Chard wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:00am:

If the guy is supposedly retired then there is no reason for him to not give his name

except that he'll have half of Al qaeda after him and his family.

Why? I can't think of a single instance in the entire history of US military special warfare where a retired serviceman or their family was placed in any danger after they exit the military. The real world isn't a movie, guy.

Spot, if it's all over the internet then you shouldn't have any problem finding verification of this story from a credible source. A NY Times blog with no verifiable sources isn't a credible source by any reasonable definition.

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Reply #5 - Feb 12^th, 2013 at 10:33am

I thought you woulda looked when i said that . . . . guess not

I cant load the australian but theres an article there

CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/11/us/esquire-navy-seal/

Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/9862975/In-that-second-I-shot...

ABC: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bin-laden-shooter-reportedly-speaks-boom/story?id=...

USAtoday: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/11/navy-seal-faces-uncertain-f...

Cant load NYtimes but theres an article there

New zealand herald: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10864889

Any of them "credible"? I couldn't be bothered getting more you can look yourself.

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Reply #6 - Feb 12^th, 2013 at 11:17am

They all repeat or link to the story in your first post, so that's a no.

I'm telling you flat that there are only two reasons why the alleged SEAL in this story doesn't veterans benefits, Spot. Either he isn't who he says he is or he was dishonorably discharged after general court marshall proceedings for criminal wrong doing. Either the guy is a fraud or he's a criminal and the criminal past doesn't jive with the timeline since I'll be damned if I can think of any specification of charges under the Uniform Code of Military Justice that would not include a jail term short enough that this guy would be out of prison already.

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Reply #7 - Feb 12^th, 2013 at 7:55pm

Chard wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 9:56am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

Chard wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:00am:

If the guy is supposedly retired then there is no reason for him to not give his name

except that he'll have half of Al qaeda after him and his family.

Why? I can't think of a single instance in the entire history of US military special warfare where a retired serviceman or their family was placed in any danger after they exit the military. The real world isn't a movie, guy.

Spot, if it's all over the internet then you shouldn't have any problem finding verification of this story from a credible source. A NY Times blog with no verifiable sources isn't a credible source by any reasonable definition.

That bit does make sense. The US military probably hasn't seen anything like alqaida before. Most of their nasty enemies probably wanted to keep as low a profile as possible. Killing one of the soldiers who captured bin laden is right up their alley.

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Reply #8 - Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:20pm

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 7:55pm:

Chard wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 9:56am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

Chard wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:00am:

If the guy is supposedly retired then there is no reason for him to not give his name

except that he'll have half of Al qaeda after him and his family.

Why? I can't think of a single instance in the entire history of US military special warfare where a retired serviceman or their family was placed in any danger after they exit the military. The real world isn't a movie, guy.

Spot, if it's all over the internet then you shouldn't have any problem finding verification of this story from a credible source. A NY Times blog with no verifiable sources isn't a credible source by any reasonable definition.

That bit does make sense. The US military probably hasn't seen anything like alqaida before. Most of their nasty enemies probably wanted to keep as low a profile as possible. Killing one of the soldiers who captured bin laden is right up their alley.

We've seen groups like AlQ before that swore up, down, and sideways they'd seek vengence on military personnel. Every time the threats end right about where our border begins. Seriously, no one is retarded enough to try. In the case of the alleged SEAL from the article your talking about trying to hunt a person with sixteen years of training and experience in a country that has private firearms ownership codified as an inalienable right of its citizens. AlQ's membership might be cripplingly retarded, but even they aren't that goddamn dumb.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Seal Team 6 Member has no Pension Reply #9 - Feb 12^th, 2013 at 9:34pm It's not that hard. You just look him up in the phone book, knock on his door and shoot him. If he still wanted to be hiding under under a log he wouldn't have left the army.
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Re: Seal Team 6 Member has no Pension
Reply #10 - Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:44am

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

It's not that hard. You just look him up in the phone book, knock on his door and shoot him. If he still wanted to be hiding under under a log he wouldn't have left the army.

You're talking a guy that supposedly spent sixteen years of life as a member of one of the most elite special operations unit in the world, and the last decade of that the guy was operationally deployed so often that there's a fair chance he's probably killed more men than prostate cancer. He's also a US citizen which means he not only has access to firearms, he probably has a permit to carry a concealed weapon depending on what state he lives in. And this is before we get into how difficult it is to find a specific person that doesn't want to be found in a country with over 300, 000, 000 citizens.

Also, he left the US Navy, not the US Army.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102864 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Seal Team 6 Member has no Pension Reply #11 - Feb 13^th, 2013 at 10:29am Why doesn't he claim the $10 million reward?
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Chard Gold Member Offline Mein Führer! I can walk! Posts: 1077 Alabama, USA Gender:	Re: Seal Team 6 Member has no Pension Reply #12 - Feb 13^th, 2013 at 10:50am Bobby. wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 10:29am: Why doesn't he claim the $10 million reward? Because at the time he was US military personnel and ineligible for any monetary awards.
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The Heartless Felon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2869 Gender:	Re: Seal Team 6 Member has no Pension Reply #13 - Feb 14^th, 2013 at 6:03am Who needs a pension when he'll make a motza from book sales. It's already in the shops...
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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: Seal Team 6 Member has no Pension Reply #14 - Feb 14^th, 2013 at 2:26pm freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 9:34pm: It's not that hard. You just look him up in the phone book, knock on his door and shoot him. I think you've seen Terminator too many times.
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