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Reply #45 - Feb 18th, 2013 at 7:53pm
 
Chard wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 3:04am:
freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2013 at 9:08am:
Silly me. I forgot there are only two types of war and anything that can be categorised as either type cannot be new.


No, moron, I said that counter insurgency and counter terror aren't new to warfare. But now that you mention it, no, there aren't, t any new forms of warfare either. It's been done before.


So what is your point? Is this a new kind of war or not? If not, is it because you can categorise it in a category that already exists?
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Reply #46 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 2:32am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 7:53pm:
So what is your point?


Same as it was when I first told you that your belief that Al Queda represents a new form of warfare was wrong.


freediver wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 7:53pm:
Is this a new kind of war or not?


Really? I already answered that.


freediver wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 7:53pm:
If not, is it because you can categorise it in a category that already exists?


If you have a system for categorizing a thing it's usually a good indication that whatever that thing is probably isn't new. The concept of an insurgency and how to fight as part of one or against one is incredibly old. For f*ck's sake, the Roman Empire dealt with multiple insurgencies (the also had this habit of nailing insurgents to a cross).

Counter-terrorism has existed almost as long as the concept of terrorism. I can give specific examples of both going clear back to ancient Egypt, with my personal favorite being the Biblical account of Moses and God playing around with elementary biological warfare to mass murder while attempting to convince the Pharoh to set the Jews free. Granted, that biblical account is grade-a bullshit, but it's ok since much more historically accurate and valid accounts of terrorism exist from the period.

Point is you are the wrongest human being in the history of wrong human beings. There is nothing new in warfare. It has all been done before, either as a theoretical exorcise or a real live shooting war.
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Reply #47 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 2:44am
 
Soren wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 3:08pm:
Chard wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 2:15pm:
Soren, if you believe the term "assassin" applies to spree killers like Hassen then you're every bit as delusional as Freediver.



He killed in the name of Islam. He was an islamist. He fits your own description.
Assassin, killer, murderer, terrorist, infiltrator, sleeper cell- is hat what you are now debting?

American soldiers have been killed in America by an Islamist. Your "never ever, not once" is incorrect.

BTW, was there any active or retired militart personnel on any of the aircraft or in the Pentagon on 11 September 2001? Or targeting the entire ministry of defence doesn't count ?


The best part is you not only quoted me saying "assassinating", your dumbass bolded and high-lighted where I said it. Yet some how "assassination" gets changed to "killing", which tells me that you either don't know the difference between the terms "assassinate" and "kill" or you're a massively dishonest tool.

So which is it, Soren? Are you merely ignorant or are you lying prick? Inquiring minds want to k... ah, just kidding.I already know the answer to that, you douche.
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Reply #48 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 5:11am
 
Ahh chard i see you discovered fd and sorens dishonest way of "debating".

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Reply #49 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:00am
 
The Fort Hood shooter wasn't a random spree killer. He didn't go down to an intersection at 11 am and started shooting randomly.

He killed active duty American soldiers for political reason, in the name of Islam, after infiltrating and pretending to be someone he wasn't. He selected active duty soldiers on American soil for maximum political and ideological impact. Payment is irrelevant.

That fits the requirements of assassination.These soldiers were targeted for who they were and where they were and your tantrum makes a difference to these facts.
Or your anal retentive hairsplitting about what is in YOUR dictionary. If it's not Bruce Willis a the jackl an it's not assassination.

Assassination IS a type of killing. What is most important about it is that it is done by infiltration, by getting close to a protected target under false pretences, not that you must ave heard about the target or that payment was received for the killing. Which is what happened at Fort Hood, no matter how much you spit and splutter on your keyboard.


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Reply #50 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:54am
 
Soren wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:00am:
He killed active duty American soldiers for political reason, in the name of Islam, after infiltrating and pretending to be someone he wasn't. He selected active duty soldiers on American soil for maximum political and ideological impact. Payment is irrelevant.


Really? You might want to share your findings with the US Department of Defense then. Because the investigation into Hasan hasn't turned up any evidence of this bring a terrorist act, haven't found any co-conspirators, or any evidence that supports your claim.

So not only are you a dishonest twatwaffle, you're smacking delusional as well.
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Reply #51 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 12:06pm
 
Chard wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:54am:
Soren wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:00am:
He killed active duty American soldiers for political reason, in the name of Islam, after infiltrating and pretending to be someone he wasn't. He selected active duty soldiers on American soil for maximum political and ideological impact. Payment is irrelevant.


Really? You might want to share your findings with the US Department of Defense then. Because the investigation into Hasan hasn't turned up any evidence of this bring a terrorist act, haven't found any co-conspirators, or any evidence that supports your claim.

So not only are you a dishonest twatwaffle, you're smacking delusional as well.



Yeah, he was shouting Allahu Akhbar as he was killing them and as every US Department of Defence Diversity Officer knows, that means 'nothing to see here, folks, move along' in Arabic.
Good one, pal.

"And barely had he got to Texas when he started making idle chit-chat praising the jihadist murderer of two soldiers outside a recruitment centre in Little Rock. “This is what Muslims should do, stand up to the aggressors,” Major Hasan told his superior officer, Colonel Terry Lee. “People should strap bombs on themselves and go into Times Square.”

In less enlightened times, Colonel Lee would have concluded that, being in favour of the murder of his comrades, Major Hasan was objectively on the side of the enemy. But instead he merely cautioned the major against saying things that might give people the wrong impression. Which is to say, the right impression.
This is your brain on political correctness.

“You need to lock it up, major,” advised the colonel.

But, of course, he didn’t. He could pretty much say what he wanted—infidels should have their throats cut, for example. Meanwhile, the only ones who felt any “need to lock it up” were his fellow psychiatrists, his patients, his teachers at the Uniformed Services University, officials at Walter Reed, and the brass at Fort Hood. So they locked it up for years, and now 14 people are dead.
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Major Hasan sent fortnightly emails to Anwar al-Awlaki, sometime spiritual adviser to both the Fort Hood shooter and three of the 9/11 terrorists and an imam so radical he’s banned from Britain, a land with an otherwise all but boundless tolerance for radical imams. In his leisure hours, he adopted the Pushtun dress of those Arabs who journeyed to Afghanistan to sign up with Osama. And eventually the sheer accumulation of such revelations rendered the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder thesis so absurd that even Frank Rich of the New York Times was willing to muse tentatively on whether the major’s years of jihadist exhibitionism were “ignored because of political correctness, bureaucratic dysfunction, sheer incompetence or some hybrid thereof.”
http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/26/major-nidal-hasan-had-an-enabler/

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Reply #52 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 12:36pm
 
Chard wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 2:32am:
freediver wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 7:53pm:
So what is your point?


Same as it was when I first told you that your belief that Al Queda represents a new form of warfare was wrong.


freediver wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 7:53pm:
Is this a new kind of war or not?


Really? I already answered that.


freediver wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 7:53pm:
If not, is it because you can categorise it in a category that already exists?


If you have a system for categorizing a thing it's usually a good indication that whatever that thing is probably isn't new. The concept of an insurgency and how to fight as part of one or against one is incredibly old. For f*ck's sake, the Roman Empire dealt with multiple insurgencies (the also had this habit of nailing insurgents to a cross).

Counter-terrorism has existed almost as long as the concept of terrorism. I can give specific examples of both going clear back to ancient Egypt, with my personal favorite being the Biblical account of Moses and God playing around with elementary biological warfare to mass murder while attempting to convince the Pharoh to set the Jews free. Granted, that biblical account is grade-a bullshit, but it's ok since much more historically accurate and valid accounts of terrorism exist from the period.

Point is you are the wrongest human being in the history of wrong human beings. There is nothing new in warfare. It has all been done before, either as a theoretical exorcise or a real live shooting war.


Chard, I am not saying that this is the first war we have ever had, or the first counter insurgency. That does not mean that it isn't something new, especially in the context of the risk to this soldiers life, were his name and photo to get plastered all over the internet. I suppose this point is a bit too subtle for you.
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Reply #53 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 12:42pm
 
It's the first war where one side's objective is to remain Politically Correct at any price.
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Reply #54 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 5:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 12:36pm:
Chard, I am not saying that this is the first war we have ever had, or the first counter insurgency. That does not mean that it isn't something new, especially in the context of the risk to this soldiers life, were his name and photo to get plastered all over the internet. I suppose this point is a bit too subtle for you.


What about any of that is "new"? You can't show a single bit of this that is new. You support any of your claims and when you try it fails horribly. That's before you hilariously fumble over your thesaurus trying to play lame semantics games.

Seriously, is it really that hard for you to admit you were wrong and move on?
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Reply #55 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:10pm
 
Aw... Poor widdle Soren has to post crap journalism because he's to dumb to understand that the Department of the Army concluded that Hasan acted alone and that his religion had nothing to do with his actions then to act as an attempt at mucking up his trial. Doesn't matter what magazine you post, the US Army thinks you're full of sh*t and since they're the people putting Hasan on trial I'm more inclined to believe the conclusions of a CID investigation then the postings of some moron that can't tell the difference between "killing" and "assassination".

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Reply #56 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:22pm
 
Chard wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 5:59pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 12:36pm:
Chard, I am not saying that this is the first war we have ever had, or the first counter insurgency. That does not mean that it isn't something new, especially in the context of the risk to this soldiers life, were his name and photo to get plastered all over the internet. I suppose this point is a bit too subtle for you.


What about any of that is "new"? You can't show a single bit of this that is new. You support any of your claims and when you try it fails horribly. That's before you hilariously fumble over your thesaurus trying to play lame semantics games.

Seriously, is it really that hard for you to admit you were wrong and move on?


You are the one that got hung up on semantics, not me. The differences seem pretty obvious to me. I cannot think of any historical counter insurgency that even comes close to the war on Islamic extremism.
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Reply #57 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:19pm
 
Chard wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:10pm:
Aw... Poor widdle Soren has to post crap journalism because he's to dumb to understand that the Department of the Army concluded that Hasan acted alone and that his religion had nothing to do with his actions then to act as an attempt at mucking up his trial. Doesn't matter what magazine you post, the US Army thinks you're full of sh*t and since they're the people putting Hasan on trial I'm more inclined to believe the conclusions of a CID investigation then the postings of some moron that can't tell the difference between "killing" and "assassination".

P.S. eat a bowl dicks.


If the West is fooked it is because of the people like you who will believe a Department of Political Correctness report rather than their own lying eyes and ears.  Shouting Allahu Akhbar while shooting your fellow Americans means, to you and the Dept of PC,  that the religion of Islamic has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.

No wonder you guys are written off by so many. If you are the fooking Voice of America, then we are all buggered.

But thankfully, you are not. You are just a silly pizzle who swallowed a dictionary 10 years ago and is dining out, so to speak,  on the experience ever since. i
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Reply #58 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:27pm
 
Yes, Soren, never mind facts when you can wildly gesticulate and mumble pathetic bullshit about political correctness. Of course we shouldn't pay any heed to thee outcome of an investigation, the guy shouted something according to anecdote so it must be RAR TERR'ISM! If I didn't already know your nationality I would swear you're one of the semi-literate trailertrash swine that make up the bulk of the GOP's voter base.
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Reply #59 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:43pm
 
Chard wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:27pm:
Yes, Soren, never mind facts when you can wildly gesticulate and mumble pathetic bullshit about political correctness. Of course we shouldn't pay any heed to thee outcome of an investigation, the guy shouted something according to anecdote so it must be RAR TERR'ISM! If I didn't already know your nationality I would swear you're one of the semi-literate trailertrash swine that make up the bulk of the GOP's voter base.


Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage that killed 13 people at Fort Hood military base in Texas have reported that gunman Major Nidal Malik Hasan shouted "Allahu Akbar" before opening fire.


What do you think 'Allahu Akbar' means, when shouted by a Muslim opening fire on a room full of infidel Americans?
Or is it meaningless unless its meaning is approved by Barry Hussein?

I don't want to make fun your being an American (if indeed you are an American) but god knows, you are sorely tempting me.

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